mj

" Off the beaten track"??? or you could also say " The road less taken", hmmm? I'm sorry if my imagination doesn't fit into everyone's idea of what imagination should produce.  I just talk about the things I think about, that's all. Star Trek was off the beaten track wasn't it?  I wish people would stop labelling me like this, it hurts my feelings for people to critisize the way I think. I can't help the things I think about, or maybe I should just shut up from now on and be a follower instead of a 'seed planter'. :)  :( But that's not me.  Either you take me for who I am or I give up! I'll just not start anymore " RANDOM " threads. OK?

Go back and reread my previous comments carefully, and the comments I have made to you in PM's. My only problem with your posting has been when you post threads excessively, to the exclusion of others who do not come up with ideas as quickly. In my PM's to you I told you your threads were wonderfully creative (REMEMBER?)...BECAUSE they were different. Only when you post selfishly to the exclusion of others' particpation do I have a problem with your posting. You yourself, in commenting about yourself and your ideas in some of your old threads have pointed out that you were doing something unusual.

 

There was no implied criticism here at all. Those comments should have been part of a continued conversation we have had over time. (I find it remarkable and disappointing that you should twist one comment to mean something it could never had meant if you had kept it in context of all our discussions. ) That is what I mean by revisiting your own threads, and paying attention to what others say in theirs. That is the "threadiquette" which if practiced , would go a long way in making for better conversations on this board. And would have caused you to see that you were NOT being put down at all.:(

 

Thanks mj, but that was HeadBorg. I started the beautiful things you HEARD.

Oops! Well, kudos to headborg then! The HEARD thread was also excellent! And there have been others that were very interesting.

The "live" Shatner wears a toupee????!!!!

Diversity?

 

MJ I think you need to read some of the silly posts on kronos!

I have been here a long time and you have missed a lot of arguments in Risa, the precursor to Kronos. You have missed arguments on affirmative action, for instance.

 

You are not the only one here who is not a libertarian or a conservative. I consider myself moderate, since my Chrisitian perspective causes me to be conservative on some social issues.

 

But I am a life-long Democrat, so I have been disagreeing with Ed and MasterQ for a long time. It is just that, because I follow the restricitons and philosophy of this board, I have not developed an attitude where I show disrespect because we deeply disagree. To contrast this to what you do, which has repeatedly gotten you into trouble, you called the posts in Kronos "silly," which is disparaging. Why not just say there are some really extreme views expressed there? You think that sometimes the moderators are overly sensative. But it just takes a few pejorative remarks to cause a heated discussion to descend into a flurry of insults.

 

Members of this board differ vastly. They differ in age, nationality, gender, professional or work life, political perspective, family status, race...you name it! It may be that more of the political conservatives frequent Kronos, but there are a lot of people on this board who are here for Star Trek, and they do not bother to go to Kronos.

 

Indcidently diversity characterizes the moderators of this board. They differ in age (a thirty year age span), nationality, gender, professional or work life, education, political perspective, family status...just like the board. They also differ vastly in personality and tempermant.

 

But they do not differ in the ability to behave maturely, and respond with restraint to the situations that occur at stf.net. They know how to work cooperatively with one another, and to respect ownership, experience, and rank. These charactersitics are what caused them to be asked to be moderators....not identical beliefs with VBG, or political conservatism.

4> Their political views are differnt

There is no required political view here. There is not even a shared political view among the moderators. One of the best things about this board is the diversity of perspective and opinion. The hard thing about being here is to learn how to respectfully share differing opinions without being derogatory or abusive. Some people leave because they cannot learn to do that. But of course they do not blame themselves.....

 

The choice to stay and participate or to leave is the choice of every individual member.

I'd like to read anyone's thoughts on what they saw while they watched any of the services on TV. What impressed, or moved you while you were watching? How much did you watch if any?

I watched bits and pieces. I watched them moving President Reagan from the funeral home to his repose at the Reagan library. I watched people file past for a couple of hours. I watched the changing of the guard repeatedly.

 

I was travelling on the evening of Wednesday February 9, but while in the Detroit airport, saw bits of the services in the Rotunda during the layover. Because I do not have cable (my mother does, but I do not) I did not watch people filing past to pay their respect in Washington.

 

I watched part of the funeral at the National Cathedral--I was advising students in the morning, and got home before the funeral was over....I came in when our current President Bush was speaking. My mother watched the entire funeral.

 

I watched most of the funeral back in California, but fell asleep before the end. My mother watched the entire funeral.

 

Most of my relatives (extended family) watched the funeral. One aunt was watching people in Simi Valley like I was. She has cable so she probably watched folks in Washington also.

 

None, not one, of my voting relatives voted for Mr. Reagan. We all voted against him twice. All of us.

 

So why watch? Well, that was how we paid our respects. My philosophy about democracy is that whoever gets elected is the President of the United States, not the president of those who voted for him. Mr. Reagan was my president even though he was not my choice, and I did not agree with most of his policies. His passing therefore merits my respect and sober reflection, so I share in the mourning of his loss.

 

For my mother I know part of her focus was compassion for Nancy Reagan, because it has not even been a year and a half since she lost the love of her life, my father, a man she had known since they were both 13 - years - olds. She also listened to all the speeches...but she felt for Mrs. Reagan.

 

The comments my mother and I found most interesting were those of the first President Bush, the fact that President Reagan was able to give him insight into the perspective of the common man. The Bushes are one of America's 'elite' families, and do not know what the average American goes through. He learned a lot from President Reagan. I did not hear these remarks directly, but my mother conveyed them to me.

See MJ, you never know.  I thought alot of my questions were , well, kind of lame.   I know that there ARE some people who run through the threads like it's some kind of race, seeking quantity not quality, not metioning any names I saw one thread had 10,000 posts, that's amazing.

Some of your threads have been "off the beaten path." But you have also started some wonderful threads, including one of my favorites, the one asking people about what beatuiul thing they had seen that day. This thread was revisited not only by you, but by many members repeatedly, and caused people to think about something positive in the environment around them, and share it with others. There are over 120 posts in that thread, and who knows when someone will find it again and bump it up.

But I thought going back into a thread I started was kind of, um, self-serving for the lack of a better term. So apparently there is a kind of philosophy about threading, I guess. We are supposed to try to keep our threads on topic, kind of training wheels for becoming a Mod, huh? :(

It's really not practicing to be a mod, jeanway. It is maintaining a conversation. I did not mean to suggest it was your responsibility to keep the thread on track, but that you should be interested in how your own thread progresses. Some people on this board ask the moderators to close down a thread that gets way off the original topic, and that request is usually granted, especially when there is a lot of arguing and no communication going on. But some open a thread to get a conversation going, and want it to stay on track, and so stay with it.

Should we have a " StartrekFans.Net Lexicon" Thread? Just thinking out loud

What are your thoughts on how to behave in a thread?

Completely read the posts already present to get a sense of the content of the discussion and THEN post a reply. The point of posting is to talk to one another. The benefit is increased number of posts, hence increased rank. But your goal should not be just to say anything.....it should be to communicate ideas.

 

I am speaking generally...not just to any one person.

About new threads

By all means share your thoughts by starting new threads, but limit the number of new threads you start.

and how often you should go back in and relpy to any new posts.

Help to develop the ideas you introduce in the thread by revisiting the conversation being developed there. Don't just post and run. Make sure the thread stays on topic, and the replies you get indicate that your original thought or question is being addressed.

  Starting a new Thread?

Feel free to post new threads, but post thoughtfully as a member of a community. Look to see whether or not your posting dominates to the exclusion of others. Make sure you take the time to look at other members' posted threads to address the questions or interests of others.

How long is too long in a post or the actual thread's lifetime?

There is no limit..to length of a post, or life of a thread, unless rules are broken and the thread is closed, or unless the thread starter requests the thread be closed for a valid reason.

 

The above are my opinions.

Some people do not like the restricitons on the site. They want to be able to do whatever they feel like doing. For instance I know of a member who left after being forbidden to link to a porn site. He is at other sites that allow him to do that.

Thanks for sharing this. I watched for a long time people filing past to pay their respects in California (my mother's home does have cable, and C-span covered a lot of it) but until now I did not have a sense of the process, the wait, that these people, and all of you in DC, had to go through to pay your respects.

 

It was very clearly described, VBG. It makes the reader feel that they were also their (except we can't actually FEEL the heat and humidity...).

Thanks for sharing that link, TUH!

My suggestion is that before posting in a topic, read the previous posts.

 

Read them and try to understand what the writers said. Then join the conversation with your own comments, or refrain from posting if you do not really have anything to add to the conversation.

 

Reading before posting may slow down posting, but it also may help to have conversation.

 

It's not just a posting race...you should try to have conversations.

I have heard the commercial.

The Year of Hell for two reasons....it was the worst I had seen a Star Trek crew go through (until season 3 of Enterprise that is); and also because with the resolution they get to live that period over without the terrible part. I had a terrible year of my life that I would not mind being able to erase and live over!

I voted no. I think it is luck (or Hoshi) if they manage to communicate with a nonhumanoid...even to discern that something non-humanoid is life! I think it is more reasonable that they establish the most familiar and deepest relationships with humanoid types ( including the conflicts) because they have more points in common from which to build the ability to communicate. I think Darmok in TNG, and the episode with the web-like creature that captured Archer, Trip, and three others in ENT best illustrate the challenge of communication. There is the expectation of future contact and exchange with the Tomarians. They waved good bye to the web-like creature once they got him back to " the rest of himself" in Enterprise. There may be opportunity for further study, but they are so different, it is not likely to have the web-like creature as a future Federation member. Or Q for that matter.....( Of course they did have the Medusans in TOS....hmmmmmm :unsure:--but look at how difficult it was to transport and communicate and interact with the Medusans ... only one human regularly interacted with them...not like the wide interaction with Klingons and other humanoids... ). Also in DS9, the founders were non-humanoid, even though they would take on human form to commmunicate..they intimated the great link was something that could not be described in words.

 

I see I am rambling. The point is most of the the opportunity for deep interaction comes from contact with human-like creatures. There are not too many humanoid speicies.

It bothers me that the other Xinid species retained a portion of the skeletal remains of an Avian, but shared no other image of them. I speculate that they could have been the most beautiful and graceful of the Xindi species.

In the (distant) past.

 

Actually it brings up one of the best memories I have of my father. He pulled me aside to gently explain to me that my boyfriend did not love me. He explained to me what his behavior would be like if he was in love with me. Within the next couple of weeks I received a letter from my boyfriend breaking it off. Had my father not pulled me aside I would have been completely shocked and devastated...I would never have seen it coming. Instead, I was merely disappointed, but what my father had said to me had already lowered my esteem for my boyfriend before the final blow.

What can I say? I like the Big Mac. McDonald's......but actually i eat less fast food these days...

As someone who does not have a personal banner (nor wants one) I nevertheless enjoy the changing banners, and the personal ones. It's like in my neighborhood. I do not have a lot of stuff on my patio. Some of my neighbors have stuff on their patio. Different neighbors have different things on their patios, or very little. The variously decorated patios and balconies change the look of our condos from drab buildings without personality, to a living village with vibrant personalities inhabiting it. Makes it more interesting.

Myers-Briggs would say that you are an ISFJ (Introvert, Sensor, Feeler, Judger). In Star Trek language, you share a basic personality configuration with Beverly Crusher and Chakotay.

 

 

 

People like you are generally highly nurturing and caring. You're gentle and thoughtful, but also cautious, especially about exposing your inner self. You're highly protective of your privacy and share yourself with others as a sign of love. Once comfortable, however, you are quite affectionate. You also desire steady and unstinting love in return.

 

You're very literal and maintain a high awareness of the physical world. You are quite likely to have a highly developed sense of spirituality.

 

You are uncompromising about your personal standards and easily offended, especially when you do not feel appreciated or when people violate your personal space. You are diligent and conscientious, organized and decisive. You respond well to politeness. You enjoy productive routine.

 

Your primary goal in life is helping people in real ways. Your reward is stability in your daily life and people who support your feelings. You cannot have friends who would ever ask you to compromise your values.

 

Good careers for your type include primary care physician, chief medical officer, elementary school worker, guidance counselor, special education teacher, and genealogist.

Some things are true....some things are off. I do not consider myself "nurturing," nor do I regard any of those career choices as being for me.

I voted for The Empath, but I also liked the Cloud Minders (thinking they had an enlightened society because they had it for some...), Requiem for Methusaleh ("forget"...), and others. I love TOS.

I voted for Past Tense...I also liked Visionary and the episode where Sisko and Jake pilot the ancient Bajoran ship.

I agree. I voted for The Offspring. I think it is a wonderfully moving episode (and how appropriate to be thinking about this episode when Father's Day is around the corner).

I voted for Tatoo....I liked Chakotay, and this was about his finally understanding his father. It was a little preachy about the environment, but I still liked it.

Thought this might be interesting to see what everybodys 'awake time' is like here. Me ? I've always been a morning person. Even when I stay up late (Midnight-1AM), I'm always awake early the next morning.. I can't help it.

 

How about you all ?

This is me. I wake up early, no matter what.

I voted Measure of a Man. I liked the fact that, when Riker tried to apologize to Data for leading the opposition against him, Data explained to Riker that he both understood that if Riker had not agreed to do that, the judgement would automatically go against him, and that leading the opposition caused Riker pain. Remarkable insight.

 

I also liked from this group The Child, and Loud as a Whisper.