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Cease Fire. Again, I also liked many others.

Even if I tried, I could not spend 120 million. For the building ( modern furniture and decor) I would at most need 3000 sq feet, because right now I do not use 1300 sq ft unless my mother is visiting. In the additional square feet the study room would be expanded into a library(mostly mathematics and world literature, ans sci fi) with a completely up to date computer laboratory with G5 macintoshes. An alarm system would be added. The building would be on top of an open hill and there would be a small observatory on the roof. The property itself would have my house, a guest house a ways away for which ever relative is struggling, and a house for the gardener, because there would be VAST flower gardens, and oak trees and weeping willows, and a pond! Swans, ducks, and other water life. Walking paths. Lots of sunlight in the main home. I think at most such a place would be $10 to $15 million, even with the gardener's regular salary.

 

Ohhh......I forgot property taxes.....I guess I'll keep the balance of the $120 million...

For me it was between North Star and Proving Ground, two very different episodes I liked for very different reasons, but I ended up choosing North Star. I relish the contrast between the progress humans had made on earth in spite of the three world wars and the stagnation of the humans whose society was based on fear. In intervening, Archer's behavior was still consistent with "saving humanity." He put that group of humans back on the road to advancement.

 

From Damage to Zero Hour, I could not select a favorite.

"You work too many hours! I am going to reduce your hours and give you a full-time assistant, at the same salary!"

That was part of the original plan, that Voyager would run into situations where they got a boost.

I do not know who Toby Keith is, and have never heard the Taliban Song. This thread drew my attention, because the son of one of my first cousins will be in Afghanistan soon. He is a national guardsman, and a family man. Last Sunday our congregation just prayed for a man from my church, a husband and father of two, who is also headed for Afghanistan.

 

I think we are so focused on Iraq that we forget we still have people in Afghanistan.

 

So I am glad for the Afghanistan reminder, even if I do not know anything about the music of Toby Keith.

Miss you in Kronos, MQ! Hope you move goes well and that you are satisfied with your final choices!

I don't think everything is just right or wrong, black or white, either / or. Sometimes both sides are partly right and partly wrong. To the extent that I can, I try to live peaceably. That may (and has) require(d) me to humble myself and apologize.

 

It really can make a wonderful difference.

Well, come to think of it.  If they had an aerophonics bay on Voyager then the gravity must have been constant no matter which position the ship was in, there is no upside down in space, right? The only thing that would make the dirt fly around would be an anomaly. So concerning potted plants, that would be a non-issue. So, yes, potted plants are a go  

An aeroponics bay? Is that what is was? Well, that works for me! Put mini in-built aeroponics (or hydroponics) planters in all crew quarters (I'm sure Phlox could compensate for any pollen allergies...), and in shared areas like the cafeteria, with sufficient variety of flowering plants!

Mom has always know what Star Trek is, because as I said above, she would let us watch it on her TV whenever my Dad refused to let us watch it on the main TV. However she did this sacrificially...and never really paid much attention (except being shocked when Kirk kissed Uhura...). She does that to this day. Whenever I go home there is at least one set free for me to watch Star Trek on....

 

Well, we watched the Wrath of Khan Wednesday night after watching Enterprise. She acted like she had never watched Enterprise before. I said, "Mom, remember the last time you visited me, the only thing I insisted on watching was Enterprise. (She chose everything else we watched.) Weren't you paying attention then?" "No.."--I shouldn't have been surprised....She let us watch Star Trek when we were young, and did not watch whole episodes very often. Nowadays she always has a crossword puzzle book and pen in hand, so she can very effectively ignore a show she is not interested in.

 

At first she was put off by the violence in TWOK (she and Daddy used to love John Wayne westerns, however....). She hated the scene where they found the people tortured and hanging. "This is worse than the Borg...." She did not like the scene with Scotty carrying the badly wounded cadet..it took her by surprise. Actually, there were a lot of people disfigured in ST II..I didn't notice till Mom reacted. But she got into it, and was glued to the set as the last battle began. She was surprised that Mr. Spock actually died. ( This is a sign of age, because I know that my sister and I came home from the theater complaining about it back when the film first came out, so Mom must have forgotten that.) As we discussed the movie, she said she liked that story too, but that it was sad. She had thought that Spock would not die because he was not human. She said, " I guess I expected him to be like the wooden man. He would not have died." " Mom, you are talking about Data, and he is not made out of wood. Remember we talked about this." "Well, what is he made out of?" "Don't know, Mom". I told her about what happended to Data in Nemesis.

 

We may watch the Voyage Home.

 

Mom said she enjoyed the Star Trek movies, but would not watch them over and over like her own favorite movies-- romantic comedies.

 

That's great and I love the order you are taking her through them in. Ease her into it so she gets hooked then bring out your DS9 DVD's and introduce her to Garak and Quark lol. You could also show her Michael Dorn in the episode "Far Beyond The Stars", he's out of make-up in that episode.

My mother enjoyed the movies, but she has not been converted to a bona fide Star Trek fan. I think I will show her Michael Dorn in "Far Beyond the Stars" ... that is a good idea. She has seen part of one DS9 episode repeatedly, and that is "His Way," the one where Kira and Odo finally get together. It is right up her alley in terms of her tastes, and includes a lot of the type of music she likes.

 

It's been fun seeing her find out that these movies had good story lines...but she is still not a science fiction fan.

Don't they have a garden?  I'm sure I saw it in one episode. I mean more plants all over. I don't want to be reminded that I'm in a metal ship. If I have to be away from earth for that long I want as many reminders of it as possible without having to go to the holodeck. And better lighting. The lighting never seamed quite right to me. 

At least some of those plants should be flowering plants, and a sufficient variety so that something is always in bloom.

 

A comment made later on about aquariums...that they would have to be enclosed in case of loss of gravity...applies to plants also. There should not be a lot of "indiviual" potted plants. If planters are built into walls, or whatever, you can't just have loose soil that could spill all over if the ship were tossed about..something special would have to be designed for space.

 

Voyager had a hydroponics section, didn't they?

I was in the bay are of California during the '89 quake. I gained a new and profound respect for architects and engineers....the building designed to sway indeed did sway (rather than collapse.)

Both. Season 3 of Enterprise was a mix of the arc and the free standing epiosdes. it would have been unbearable if it was all just the arc, and every episode a clifff-hanger.

Exams are a good thing...they inspire studying....

All will be well. I will also add you to my prayer list.

Some of us could never fit Barbie-style clothes...can you see those styles in plus sizes?

My heartfelt sympathy for the family who lost such a fine son.

My 72-year -old mother is visiting. One of the things we ususally do is watch romantic comedies or dramas, over and over again! We watch When Harry met Sally, While You Were Sleeping, Gigi, Pride and Prejudice, Sense and Sensability, Mansfield Park, others....over and over.

 

Of course, being a Star Trek fan, I cannot complain about anyone watching anything over and over.... :)

 

But Mom suddenly said two days ago...Why don't we watch one of your Star Trek movies? :)

 

Mom does not like "weird" things like aliens, so I thought Insurrection would be a good start. After a few minutes of the idyllic opening scene, she said, "Where are the Star Trek people?" Well of course they all appeared soon. She really got into the movie! When Golna (sp) was convincing his friend to go with the isolinear tags, my mother said, " I don't think he much likes what his boss is thinking." I said, "Mom just keep watching...you are on the right track." She picked up the fact that there was a dissenting opinion. Anyway she stayed with the movie and in the end said, "Oh, the robot learned how to play." "Android, Mom."

 

Yesterday, we went with First Contact. I tried to prepare Mom for the idea of the Borg. "Do they have funny looking faces?" "No Mom, you are thinking of the Klingons. The Borg are humans with machine parts. They look awful, and they will be taking over other humans right and left." "Okay." I know I oversimplified what the Borg were, but it was clear enough for this movie. Mom was happy to recognize some actors, like Alfre Woodard, and of course she was familiar with the TNG crew from the previous movie. "Mom, now Captain Picard will be dreaming about the Borg." "Okay." " Mom, the Enterprise is in the past and the Borg are taking things over behind the scenes." "Okay." When Picard and the others finally arm themselves to try to get to engineering, I told Mom, "Now, here are the Borg." Mom says, "Is that all!!?? After all your build-up I would expect much more than that! Oh, did they just take the wooden man?" "Mom, that was Data, the Android. Pinocchio was wooden." "Oh, that's right!" Well, anyway she loved the movie. She really liked Lily's dress in the holodeck. And when Lily met Worf, Mom said, "And what was that thing on his forehead?" "Mom he is a Klingon...that is his forehead." "Oh, I see. I understand that he is a very handsome man in real life." "Yeah, Mom, that's right!" Towards the end Mom says, "So the captain had a relationship with this woman before?" "Not really , Mom...he was assimilated, he was a Borg, so he had no choice." After Picard and Data were walking out of engineering trumphantly, Mom said, "This can't be the end?" "Not yet." "What's that funny looking plane?""It's not a plane. It's the Vulcans, like Mr. Spock." "Okay." Now in spite of appearances she liked this movie also!

 

Today we watched The Undiscovered Country. Now Mom knows the crew of the original series, because when my sister and I were watching TOS while it was originally aired, at times my dad would refuse to relinquish the main TV, so we would beg my mother to let us watch it on her TV, and she always did. So today I warned her, "Mom, Captain Kirk is much older than when you watched him years ago." "I know that! I saw William Shatner in Miss Congeniality!" ( Another romantic comedy..) She loved TUC...at one point she said, " I don't think Captain Kirk is going to get out of this one." I said, "Mom, when did Captain Kirk not win? Just watch!" I didn't tell her about Generations.. :( Mom loved this movie! "I see why you like this so much!" :)

 

Tomorrow or Thursday: The Wrath of Khan!

by the way she is a class A lady what she sees in me is a mistry to me

 

she is drop dead beuitiful look at my pic on the site  why me

You work together....she sees you character. I think after a certain point women look for substance. Also, she may see you physically the same way you see her....she may be thinking about your strong masculine looks, or something like that!

 

I think your age difference would be more of a problem if she were 46 and he was 31. While you should be thoughtful and aware of possible challenges in your situation (as TUH suggests), you should go for it.

Hey fellow moderates & liberals? Don't let the conservatives take over kronos in my absence, please?  :)

We'll try, but they are a pretty tough bunch!

I've had many situations where I have had to apologize. Perhaps the most serious was when I chastized a TA (teaching assistant) in front of his class when he had run overtime and delayed my class from meeting on time. He was in error, but I caused him problems and pain by the way I handled it. He came to me to tell me how humiliated he felt, and the fact that I had caused him to loose face with his students. (Now he caused me problems also -- I had to retest students because of loss of time.)

 

Nevertheless he had a point. SO I MADE HIM THIS OFFER: I will go to your class and apologize to you in front of your class, since I berated you in front of your class. He lit up like a firecracker, he was so happy. I did exactly that, telling his students how highly the department felt about this graduate student. That young man and I are friends to this day.

 

Here on this site, the best thing that has happended to me was apologizing, mostly to the mods when, as a regular member, I realized my behavior was indeed out of line. It was liberating...it helped me to see more than my own perspective here.

but how do you classify rowdies and despots???

they can be people who fervantly follow their heart in contravention to others beliefs. It really does seem arbritrary

Rowdies and despots speak without regard to civil behavior, or the feelings of others. Nor do they feel compelled to consider that a little moderation of their behavior, not their thoughts or ideas (unless they are contrary to the rules they agreed to abide by when they registered for this site), would contribute to a better environment on the board. They respond poorly to advisement or correction by those in charge.

 

It is selfish and inconsiderate to think that you should not have to make some kind of accomodation to make for a more civil board environment.

 

Back to topic:

 

You should never forget the sacrifices your parents made for you, especially as they need your help in their old age.

Ei Chimeny, this thread is getting ugly. *Jumps overboard*

What was ugly?

 

I have no problem with you jumping overboard...you are a Navy man...you can swim!

 

As for silly... well, there are silly posts. Search "Kumbaya" within that forum for a very good example.

Debates don't have to turn into flame wars. If someone insults you, post and say you refuse to get into a flame war, and then say whatever you need to say about the opinion. Not the opinion of you--the opinion on the idea. Common sense and maturity are the first things that're going to make someone listen to you, I've found.

Tina was referring to something very specific, not to threads like Kumbaya. AE allowed a few silly threads in Kronos because at the time the tension was so high in there, he decided to leave that thread ( and a couple of others) to lighten things up, rather than move it to a more "appropriate" forum. Tina was not talking about that in her remark about silliness, but about ongoing situations.

 

I was trying to share my experiences as a way of responding to things, giving an alternative approach.

 

When was Risa was completely shut down due to the fights and insults, it was clear that the moderators were going to have to keep close watch on personal insults, because the hostility even spread outside of Risa (now Kronos). That may come across as nitpicking to some.

 

I think some people participate less, or have left, because unlike in the old days, where you could argue in Risa and still have a good star trek discussion with that same person in Star Trek:TNG, people were carrying anger into other forums. Many new people were used to freely flaming each other on other sites. People have been learning to treat each other civilly as they move between Kronos and the rest of the board, but it did require editing out personal insults, and giving warnings to accomplish this.

I still can't comment besides..i ahev somthing to say and its not gonna be pretty

If it is just going to be a series of insults and accusations, keep it to yourself.

 

If you can express an opposing opinion in a responsible way, without attacking people, then state your case.

 

Before I was asked to be a moderator, while still a member of ship's crew, I had many arguments and strong disagreements, some with moderators. For example, I argued with ddillard (and others) about affirmative action, with VBG and others about women's history month and black history month, with bysty about young people and studying, with AE several times in Risa. I PM'd TM and others about some posts. I was asked to rewrite a post by a mod. (I don't know if they even remember some of these things, but I do.)

 

Sometimes I was involved in threads that were shut down.

 

What I learned in my dealing with the moderators was that sometimes I was right, and somethimes they were right. When I was right, I found that stating facts and making a clear case brought about a retraction. What I learned about myself when the moderators were right, was that (in the past) I had a bit of a tendency to contribute to a thread getting way off-topic and mired in heated debate of the off-topic topic. I discovered this by looking at the closed thread, why the mods said the thread was closed, and my own posts, and deciding whether or not I had contributed to the problem. It helped me modify my behavior on this site, but it did not silence me from expressing my differing perspective.

 

My experience with the moderators on this site caused me to stay, not leave this site.

 

I did not find them to be perfect, errorless people. I found them to be reasonable and fair-minded, but definitely representing a particular perspective as to what behavior should be allowed here. The only way I reached this perspective is that I also evaluated my own behavior from time to time...I did a self-assessment. I did not go to another site and find people who would concur with me that I had been wronged, justifying only my own perspective.

I couldn't get into this site for a couple of days.  My link just stopped working - I wouldn't be here if a member on another site hadn't told me she was able to get in here. 

Apparently stf.net was moved to a new server, which temporarily made the site inaccessible.