Captain Bolivar

How about NEITHER!!!!

They are both watchable... but they have no real interest for me. The Lod or the Rings seems to drag on. I could not develop hardly any attachement to its characters eiter. I'm not a fan of "fantasy" tho.

Harry Potter is for kids... nuff said.

I haven't seen them. I don't have the alien movies on DVD. I really wanted the Alien "Quadrilogy" but now that I know it comes it a fold out book form I dont! I like traditional DVD cases... my DVD shelf must be consistant... I looks nicer. I hate it when they get creative and make strange packaging.

Also, why isn't quadrilogy a word? It should be. A trilogy is a set of three consecutive literary works. Since Tri is the suffix meaning three, why couldn't the suffix be changed the quad meaning four? True, it isn't a word, but it could be made a word. After all, trilogy wasn't a word at one time. Frankly they NEED a word for 4 movie sets!

Well I agree that your analysis of the timeline events makes sense, except for your conclusion. I do not see how timeline E leads back to B and C. Also, I don't think you analysis changes the validity of mine as it does not say what happens to the timeline after janeway changes the timeline. I think I could add your analysis to mine to make a more complete series of temporal events, but I will save that for another day. I need to go to sleep.

P.S. sorry for saying you were wrong about the era of the future in future's end. I was thinking that future's end was end game! so I just got the episodes mixed up. Sorry about that. Still doesn't really change me analysis tho.

Why was the future destroyed?  It takes time for effects to ripple through the timeline.  Therefore, the futuristic 29th century is the correct one.  This because we see it before the changes are made to it, and those changes are prevented by their time travel, thus the timeline does not get altered. 

That's not entirely accurate.

 

2377 - Voyager remains in the Delta Quadrant.

2393 - Voyager returns to Earth.

2403 - Admiral Janeway travels back in time.

2377 - Voyager returns to Earth, 16 years early.

29th Century - Episodes "Future's End" & "Relativity".

 

From the 29th century's point of view, the timeline where Voyager returned home 16 years early is the correct one. The reason is that the whole "Endgame" fiasco happens "before" the 29th century comes along. Now, if someone had traveled from the 29th century and altered the 24th century history, "then" the 29th century good guys would know history's been messed with and would know to fix it.:blink:

Ok CJLP

PROBLEM

There is a problem with your statement "29th Century - Episodes "Future's End" & "Relativity"."

It is this: End game did not show us the 29th century. It showed us late 23rd century or early 24th century.

We do know that Janeway alters the late 23rd century or early 24th century timeline BUT if we don't want to say that the episode "Relativity" never happened (and we don't because without it VOY cannot obtain the Doctors mobil emitter) we must say that the new timeline created by Janeway is actually the one that creates the timeline in which we see Captain Braxton and those particular tricorders. Or we could say instead that both timelines created by Janeway lead to the same 29th century. Continue reading for an analysis of both theories:

Theory 1

TIMELINE ONE:

A: Voyager goes to Delta quad

B: Voyager returns home after more than 20 years

C: Janeway goes to the past (creates TIMELINE TWO)

D: 29th century is something else

TIMELINE TWO:

A: Voyager goes to Delta quad

B: Admiral Janeway gets Voy home early

C: Results in timeline where Braxton exists

D: Braxton goes to the past (creates TIMELINE THREE)

TIMELINE THREE:

A: Voyager goes to Delta quad

B: Voyager encounters Braxton, Futuristic tricorders from 29th century

C: Admiral Janeway gets Voy home early

D: Results in timeline where Braxton exists

E: Braxton goes to the past (creates TIMELINE THREE)

Theory 2

There is also one more possibility! It doesn't matter which timeline Janeway creates for the late 23rd or 24th century because either one leads to the same 29th century. Theoretically speaking this is possible but highly unlikely. However, I think it is most likely because Braxton's timeshuttle has to be encountered for Voyager to acquire the Doctors mobil emitter. If they do not encounter Braxton it is unlikely that Voyager would have even survived the trip home as the Doctor saved VOY on countless occasions. This would mean that TIMELINE could not exist unless VOY could get home without the emitter.

In conclusion

Either way, the 29th century tricorders DO exist still!

Well, Voyager wasn't a prototype, it was an experrimental ship, the second ship constructed from a new class of starship.  Nice touch on the "Roddenberry in normal space, Berman in far off space" stuff. :blink: As for the "hand phaser", I read they were dropped becuase the audience could hardly see them.  I think they used them too much in TNG Season 1 and should have been used like tiny pistols today - hidden when going into a dangerous situation where you don't want to appear armed.  DS9 & ENT have arcs, the closest thing VOY had to an arc was Seven ragaining her humanity.  As for no Andorrians in the "current" timeline?  What about ENT?

in response:

1. Fine, Voyager wasn't a "prototype" but it was experiemntal. It is still a distinction between the two. Roddenberry never used either!

2. Voyager did have arcs, but they weren't tight arcs. (ie: Voyager is lost in Delta Quad, Voyager makes contact with Earth. VOY makes continuous contact with Earth, VOY gets home; or Seska betrays VOY, Seska continues to cause trouble for Voyager.) I will admit the acrs are much different than DS9 or current ENT arcs. They are more like the arcs from early ENT. In early ENT we would only hear of the suliban and the TCW a few times a season. The arcs tightened up for season 3 making nearly every episode a part of the arc. P.S. I wish Voyager did do arcing to a much greated extent. Overall I don't think of it as an arcing show even though at times it did have those elements.

3. By "current" timeline I did NOT mean Enterprise because it comes before the "current" timeline. But I will rephrase completely!Gene used Andorians in the beggining of Star Trek and even in TNG but after his death Berman decided not to use them at all. This continued all the way up to Nemesis (current timeline trek). Enterprise comes before TOS so it does not break the fact that Berman never used them in any series that was a sequel to TNG, or in TNG itself. I was not saying Berman doesn't use andorians at all.

Hope that solves your concerns Captain P!

Roddenberry

- Ships are not prototypes.

- Ferengi are militaristic

- Regions of space to be explored are not distant or enclosed

- holograms are a rarity

- use of type I "hand" phasers

- ships never seem to need the use of warp core ejectors or escape pods.

- no significant arcing plot lines

- no moles or double agents or sercret operatives

- little reference to klingon blood wine

- presence of andorians (last living andorian seen is in "Captain's holiday")

Berman

- Defiant, Voyager, and Enterprise are all prototypes.

- Ferengi are capitalistic

- Delta quad, Gamma quad, and expanse.

- holograms are prolific in even Enterprise

- only type II and rifle types are used

- ships often need the use of warp core ejectors or escape pods.

- significant arcs in all series

- lots of moles or double agents or secret operatives (eddington, seska, daniels)

- constant reference to klingon blood wine

- no andorians in "current" Star Trek timeline. (ie voyager and ds9)

Well if I remeber correctly, you dislike Cmdr Shelby... she is in those books as far as I know.

I began to read the first book, but because I often drop a book I never finished it. It did have promise tho!

And I dislike many of the books as well because they always mix the series together! I can believe it if it happens in one book, but when you read 5 books about how Scotty returned to duty to save the Enterprise E or D for some reason... it losses it's believeability fast!

Ok, you could do slow motion in a holodeck, but only with the holograms except in certain situations.

If a real person was in a slow motion program and lifted his arm there would be nothing to prevent him or her from moving it at the speed he or she wishes as the arm is moving relative to his or her body.

However, if the person was moving relative to the program he could move in slow motion.

for example... the program is a HALF SPEED and the person jumps off a cliff. By animating the cliffs side moving past the person at half normal speed the person would fall along the cliff side at a relative speed that would be half of what gravity would normally cause. In reality, you would just be slowing down how fast the cliffs move past the person. The persons speed hasn't even changed. (the person is never actually falling anyways)

This ignores the fact that a person technically can't fall in a holodeck as they would just land on the floor.

The simulation where B'ellana orbital sky dives doesn't even make sense! How can you fall thousands of meters in a room that is only 10 m high?

Oh well, it served the purpose of the show!