Theunicornhunter

how can you not believe in an afterlife? :lol: (baffled

If you believe in everlasting life, there is no afterlife.

I believe RC stated that death was it, which confused me too. I'm not sure I understand the distinction between the term everlasting life or "afterlife". I do believe we will be resurrected into immortality from a state of death.

QUOTE (Lollypop @ Jun 22 2003, 04:13 PM)

Let me ask you this then Captain Jean-Luc Picard " If Adam and Eve were the first 2 " and Cain and Abel were their only children. After Cain killed Abel he went to the land of Nod and took a wife... Where did she come from?

The Bible never states Cain and Abel were the only children of Adam and Eve; Gen 3:20 states states she was callled Eve because she was the mother of all living. Gen 5: 4 also references that Adam begat sons and daughters.

CJLP, I did have one question for you. You mentioned the spirit inside of us comes from God, but do you have any ideas when or how?

The fact that technology can't discern something doesn't mean it doesn't exist. Nor can we say with certainty (unless someone's got a time machine I don't know about) what our technology will be able to discover 200 years from now.

I've read an analysis of near-death experiences by a heart surgeon who was a trained scientist. He didn't want to believe what he couldn't explain but his final conclusion was there was no way a person could repeat the detail that these patients gave unless they had been on the ceiling instead of on the table. I think it interesting that if someone had that level of knowledge regarding a crime they would most likely be found guilty.

I think the exisitence of a spirit could also explain the anecdotal stories of people reporting seeing relatives coming to escort them from this life. This would indicate however the spirit does not cease existence at the same time as the body.

My question regarding the transporter was also referenced by L. Krauss in his book the physics of Star Trek. If our consciousness is something other than matter it may not get transported with the rest of us.

Did you take music lessons as a child? Or even later? Do you play more than one instrument. Which is your favorite? Have you participated in a band or symphony.

I played clarinet in 6-12th grades in school band. I've taken about a year of piano and a year of violin as an adult but didn't have time to pursue it.

I love the violin and sometimes wish I had learned flute rather than clarinet.

Do or will you children take music lessons?

How do you feel about music education being eliminated from public schools?

What other questions do you see raised by this issue?

 

Not really sure what you mean.

It partly means it was late and I couldn't think anymore. But also I thought by introducing the concept ST was dealing more in metaphsyics than science. And I would think that this dual nature - if it existed - would have an effect on transporter technology.

Several episodes of the different series have asked the question what is life; particularly memorable was TNG's the Measure of a Man but TNG, VOY and DS9 gave us some great holodeck lifeforms - including the EMH. They have also given us their concept of what human life is whether they realize it or not. In TOS, Kirk had his body switched with Dr. Janice Lester, persons were transferred to android bodies in another episode. Three TNG crewmembers were taken over by life forces from a prison planet, VOY had the body thief and ENT had the twinkly wisps in the crossing (this is not a complete list)

All of these suggest that humans are dual natured. That we have a spirit or consciousness that inhabits our physical body. And it suggests that the spirit can exist outside of the body. This is consistent with my personal beliefs but I don't think it is consistent with mainstream science.

If we are strictly organic and our emotions and thoughts are the result of chemical reactions in the brain then "who" we are would be inseparable from our body. It would also open up questions as to what happens to that spirit when our bodies die - does it die as well? Or do all living things have a spirit? Of course the biggie would be where does it come from?.

So do you think we have a separable consciousness or do you think our identity is strictly an organic process? What other questions do you see raised by this issue?

I have never read the books or hadn't thought of the movies because they were kids books. However, when all the ruckus about banning the books from schools started I got curious and rented the first movie. It was pretty good for a kid's movie.

It seems like I read books about magic when I was a child and I knew the difference.

I remember when shows were on by I lived when I watched them. McGuyver came on while I still lived out West - I left in 1987 and ended before I left DC in '94.

I think Richard Dean Anderson is truly under-rated. McGuyver was pro-entirement, very pro-science and very anti-gun. Now he's Colonel O'Neill who hates scientists and takes his gun everywhere.

Reruns are on TVLand; OMG I was watching one day and say Cuba Gooding Jr. in a guest role. And who can forget Teri Hatcher as Penny Parker.

trekbabe Posted on Jun 21 2003, 07:09 PM

 

.... I have never heard of seperation law, and assuming there is one just how would it work in my favour? pls forgive my ignorance, but i know very little about law

Separation from Church and State comes from the First Amendment of the US Constitution. There are basically two clauses that refer to religious freedom in the first amendment. One is the "free exercise" clause and the other is the "establishment" clause. The latter is what is generally refered to in these case. It states that the federal government can make no law concerning the establishment of religion. Because it is a federal (constitutional right) - states are obligated to follow it as well. That is important because education is under the purview of state governments in the US.

Since public schools are arms of the state government they are precluded from establishing a religion by any act that endorses a specific belief or faith. This would not apply to private schools who are not arms of the state and in fact many private schools in the US are religious schools and their whole purpose is to endorse religion along with secular education.

Ironically, this has been taken to the extreme in some instances in that teachers in public schools are not allowed to wear crosses that might denote their religion. But some districts in California are also forcing education in Islam. Makes no sense. However, they have been able to successfully argue they are only introducing children to diversity rather than endorsing a specific religion which I imagine is what your school will argue as well.

I would be interested in knowing what you find out about British law. This might be a case where you could find a public interest law firm that could help you out.

The Program is called PAF (Personal Ancestor File) and it is free to download at this site:

Family Search

The site itself contains some useful tips and information. I would look at the research tips and suggestions for locating records. There are other sites such as ancestry.com but I believe some of them charge a fee.

TIPS:

1. Always back up your data files and keep the disk safe - I've had a sad experience with this.

2. Organize

3. Don't assume relationships that aren't documented.

4. Document your resources

I was't always organized with using research logs but getting and staying organized is the key. I print my sheets on 8x10 pages and keep them in notebooks with tabs for SURNAMES. I have a separate notebook for copies of records etc that I made. I would be interested in what works for others in keeping organized.

It is important to document everything. As I did research I would find instances where others made conclusions based on proximity and it's a real mess - ex: say you have a family with sons named William, John and Joseph. Each of these is very likely to each have sons named William, John and Joseph - it can get very confusing. So keep meticulous records.

I had thought that after our convention next year it would be great to hop up to Salt Lake City and visit the genealogy library there. There are microfilms of just about any record you could imagine. However, there are local family history centers in the meetinghouses of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints (Mormon). These are open to the public and for a nominal fee you can order a microfilm copy of the records available in the main library. Census records are a good place to start

Start with local libraries and archives (some of these have local census records on microfilm) - these can be a real treasure. I did a lot of research in downtown DC but I found some great county histories in the Fairfax room at the Fairfax Co. library in Fairfax, Virginia just about 20 miles outside the beltway

PS feel free to pm me if you have PAF or research ?'s

Maybe you could define what you mean "American Dream"

Are there any seperation laws in the UK? (Seperation of church and state). I am not well versed in British law, if there is then this would seem to be a clear violation of the law. If there isn't then there really should be one.

VBG,

If this is a private school separation of church and state wouldn't apply. Although I've heard some public schools in California have been doing this exact same thing and that is a clear violation. But there too a political agenda is calling the shots.

I noticed Kira only got one vote ...I thought she was very attractive; why don't you guys like her. And why is T'Pol sexy - obviously personality isn't a factor? I mean what do your really call a person that arrogant and condescending.

I wish i lived in a country, were everyone got the essential food, clothing, shelter, safe drinkin' water and health care to stay alive and well.

 

And if you wanted ellaborate food and drink, nice clothing and added health care (comparable to say, bupa), you would have to work for it.

 

That'd be heaven...

In the US we have a system where people can get some level of those things by drawing money from those that do work. Heaven isn't the word I would use for it.

Heaven to me is where everyone is willing to participate and do their equal share; in return everyone that shares whatever skill or talent they possess for the common good, however simple or elaborate, receives a comfy life; because if everyone co-operated there would be more than enough to go around.

OMG.....LOL that is hysterical (the voice-over) Good luck, that brace looks annoying.

The teacher also wanted them to learn the prayers and kneel on the prayer mats that are used, and apparantly the asian kids were laughing at them....interesting to note that not one of the kids would do it. My daughter told the teacher that when her asian friend ate a bacon buttie she would kneel on the prayer mat. She said she knew her comment was a bit over the top but she wanted the teacher and students to understand how offensive she found the request.

Wow...I'm glad her friends refused as well; I guess it makes it easier to have company. That seems so wrong to require them to do that. I would like to know if the teacher gets disciplined for going to far.

Subject: Fw: You know you live in 2003 when:

You know you're living in 2003 when...

1. You accidentally enter your password on the microwave.

2. You haven't played solitaire with real cards in years.

3. You have a list of 15 phone numbers to reach your family of 3.

4. You e-mail your mate who works at the desk next to you.

5. Your reason for not staying in touch with friends is that they do

not have e-mail addresses.

6. When you go home after a long day at work you still answer the

phone in a business manner.

7. When you make phone calls from home, you accidentally dial "9 "

to get an outside line.

8. You've sat at the same desk for four years and worked for three

different companies.

10. You learn about your redundancy on the 11 o'clock news.

11. Your boss doesn't have the ability to do your job.

12. Contractors outnumber permanent staff and are more likely to get

long-service awards.

...... and the real clinchers are...

13. You read this entire list, and kept nodding and smiling.

14. As you read this list, you think about forwarding it to your

"friends".

15. You got this e-mail from a friend that never talks to you any

more, except to send you jokes from the net.

16. You are too busy to notice there was no No. 9.

17. You actually scrolled back up to check that there wasn't a No.9.

I thought this was sweet; my sister is taking her 4 yr old gdaughter to some type of little people softball. It's a new thing for her and she is a little concerned. That part breaks my heart that she's four year's old and she's already feeling stress. The three year old of course is jealous 'cause she's too young.

My sister said they were saying prayers and the oldest asked "And please help me play ball" the young one chimed in "and help me be four so I can play too"

I know that's probably boring but I thought it was so precious.

Giving your daughter detention for not finding a topic (any topic) interesting is shameful. Does that teacher not realize she is only building resentment for the subject by her actions? However, I don't know how old your daughter is but the sad, hard truth of life is that brown-nosing gets you further than honesty - I know because I still speak my mind.

Others have mentioned that schools don't teach religion in the US - that is supposed to be true but the same issue has arisen in some schools here - regarding Islam particularly.

I wasn't clear if the lesson was to simply to explain what Islam is and the same is also done for other religions. I think one purpose of education is to introduce us to the variety of life and I don't see a lot of difference in learning about a culture based on faith as learning about a culture based on geography. Requiring the child to practice that faith would be different.

I hope you get it worked out

Maybe this should have gone in Risa but I've had this on my mind for a while. You may have noticed SUV's have been under attack lately. Some environmental groups are physically destroying them on car lots and in a real creative use of biblical interpretation we now have the "What Would Jesus Drive" campaign.

Gas consumption isn't my issue with SUV's. It's how fast they drive...we all know the greater the mass and speed the higher the force of impact. SUV's are death on wheels -if I'm ever hit by an SUV...I will be gone, even if the accident isn't my fault.

To say I feel strongly about this subject is an understatement I feel blood boiling mad because the SUV trend is another instance of where having more money gives you a greater chance at life. I live in a rural community - I drive through farmland to work everyday and I get passed by a lot of speeding trucks and SUVs. If I had money I'd probably buy an SUV in self defense.

Some people want to tax SUV's for their excessive gas consumption; but personally I think speeding tickets should be weighted by the size of your vehicle. Okay let's hear your response.

I agree you can't alwasy trust the news but that's just as true for foreign newscasts as it is for America's.  For example, how do you know for certain the report you heard was accurate?  The prisoner may have told a different story to different audiences for any number of purposes.

The BBC had their own translater, and his brother also spoke English. So there was nothing dodgy going on.

My point was he may not have told the same story to the different interviewers and how do we know which version if any was true?

I agree you can't alwasy trust the news but that's just as true for foreign newscasts as it is for America's. For example, how do you know for certain the report you heard was accurate? The prisoner may have told a different story to different audiences for any number of purposes.

dsbs Posted on Jun 17 2003, 07:18 PM

It was great, the only problem I haad was that apparently, the order in which the answers appeared was different depending on the computer. There were about 2 times when my answer appeared first on my computer, but other people's answers appeared first on theirs...

I think I need high speed service....

I think everyone that participated should have gotten five points for being there :)

Happy Happy Birthday

But Starbuck has had a sex change????

Bummer...

My favorite is still the warning they print on those windshield screens you put in your car during the day.

"Remove screen before operating vehicle"