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A pack of Little Debbies cup cakes.

I thought the first one was a lot better than the second. I didn't like the second one at all.

I'd watch it, for a while anyway. The Doctor was one of my favorite characters from Voyager.

Friday, November 12, 2010

Wells Fargo Center for the Arts

Santa Rose, CA

www.wellsfargocenterarts.org

 

There is no Santa Rose, CA. The correct city is Santa Rosa with an "a".

Santa Rose is the 23rd/24th Century spelling.

It could have been an interesting storyline to develope, they seemed a little interested in trying to develope some kind of relationship with Seven later on as well.

VBG - That Romulan dude's name was Nero. I thought you owned the DVD.

I doubt I'll try to watch it again for a while, possibly not even until the new one is about to come out. Unless my brother wants to watch it when he comes down this summer for a visit, he hasn't seen it yet.

It does look better in the bigger pictures and you're completely right, the hair doesn't look good. In their uniforms you know who they're supposed to be and Picard would look the same in any clothes.

But put "Kirk" in a 1970's wardrobe and you'd think he was....

(I added a larger pic to the first post)

If the timeline was altered, why does Picard and crew remember Tasha dying? If it was altered, they would only remember the altered timeline.

It could be explained as an alternate time line but alternate from the standpoint of having it skew off from it's original path rather than branching off as a new "universe". That's why it's always been so important to restore the time line when those things have happened or why it's been so important not to make any changes to history so as not to change history.

That's why Ben Sisko had to pretend to be Gabriel Bell, so the Bell Riots would still happen in the same way that they originally did and Earth history would not be changed.

That's why Picard had to follow the Borg back in time to prevent them from assimilating Earth of the past.

That's why it was so important for Sisko and crew to find the Tribble Bomb that Darvin had planted as a plot to kill Kirk.

If all of these events were just new alternate universes and "our" universe was still on it's same path then there was no need to "set things right".

It's a small pic but Kirk doesn't really look like Kirk.

You have to remember that it was *another timeline's Yar* that entered "our" timeline. The Yar from that timeline ceased to exist in that timeline and continued in ours, albeit in an earlier time. It was not our timeline's Yar that got sent back in time. All we have to do is accept that such "time travelers" can remain in other times and timelines without returning to their original and the problem is solved. Time is not linear. If it was then time travel would not be possible. It's just that we humanoids (except for possibly El Aurians) can only perceive it in a linear fashion because our brains are wired like that.

 

The problem I have is not with the time travel but with the method of time travel. If the passage was really caused by a barrage of weapons fire, and nothing else, then there would have to be an awful lot of such time passages and time travel incidents. The Dominion war would have caused a multitude of them!

 

The only other explanation, which we saw in the latest movie, is that black holes / quantum singularities might in some situations lead to passages in time. Destroying such a ship powered by a singularity in an Enterprise-C era space battle might do it. However, we don't know when the Romulans began mucking about with singularity drives and, again, from all the Romulan ships that have been destroyed with such drives there would still have to be a lot of such passages.

 

Even then we can't be sure. The black hole in the movie was caused by red matter. I don't know how the singularities the Romulans use for power are created but it is probably some other way, and a way not strong enough to collapse a supernova, which is why they needed Spock's help.

 

I could say more but you know where I am going with this.

If it's just a different timeline then Guinan wouldn't care about Tasha being there and wouldn't think anything is out of place by her being there. But since she has some kind of intuition she can sense an alteration in the timeline.

The way Star Trek has always been presented to us there's only one timeline, there are alternate universes but there's only one timeline. If there's multiple timelines then there's no need for a temporal prime directive or temporal investigations. No need for the USS Relativity. The Voyager that gets tossed back to 1996 can stay in 1996 because that's normal and natural for that timeline. McCoy being thrown back to 1929 and preventing the US from entering WWII in time to stop Hitler is also ok because that's normal and natural for that timeline.

Red matter and "special" time travel are just lame plot devices used because of a lack of creativity and imagination. Did old Spock and the Romulan (who's name escapes me now) time travel or did they pass through a portal in space into a different universe?

If it's the latter then that's how it should have been presented. If it's the former then it goes against well established parameters for time travel in Star Trek and in my opinion was a mistake.

Of course First Contact and Nemesis both took place in The Nexus since Picard and Kirk shouldn't have had the ability to leave it. The only reason Guinan and Soren could leave is because a ship physically went in and took them out.

The whole Sela character was ridiculous and should have never happened.

It was a gimmick to get Crosby back on the show but seeing as how Tasha did go back in time it did make sense.

 

Of course this is another point of how time travel in the Star Trek universe does indeed effect the past, present and future and doesn't just spin off some alternate universe.

 

I suppose the argument could be made though that when Tasha went back in time everything afterwards was an alternate universe but that's not how it was presented.

 

No......an alternate universe was created when the Enterprise-C went through the rift and failed to be destroyed in the past. The Tasha from that alternate universe is the one that went back in time. Once everything was set right with the Ent-C going back into the rift, the prime universe was back and Tasha was still killed by the sludge creature. If those events had changed, Picard and everyone else would not have remembered Tasha being killed by the creature.

The way it's presented to us is as an alternate timeline, not an alternate universe. One timeline skewed by events.

Of course in reality it was just a sloppy story plot (Sela) used to get Crosby back into a few episodes. It should have been left as it was without Sela showing up.

Like Sela, I believe "alternate universes" are a sloppy plot device used to mask an inability to be creative within the established parameters.

Is it the contention that once the Enterprise C goes back into the rift that from that point forward (all episodes thereafter) are in an alternate universe, different from the one that we were in seconds before it came through the first time?

The whole Sela character was ridiculous and should have never happened.

Of course this is another point of how time travel in the Star Trek universe does indeed effect the past, present and future and doesn't just spin off some alternate universe.

I suppose the argument could be made though that when Tasha went back in time everything afterwards was an alternate universe but that's not how it was presented.

I agree, that would be cool. I am done with this semester finally btw!! YAY!

My summer semester starts on Tuesday.

I've tried to watch it a couple times over the past 2 weeks and just can't get into it. I normally don't have a problem watching movies that I've already seen, even if I've seen them multiple times but this one I just can't get into.

As time goes by the little annoyances just make me hit the fast forward button and eventually I just shut if off and find something else to watch.

Interesting thread, I missed it the first go around it looks like. Of course the whole debate has been resolved by Enterprise season 4 episodes Affliction and Divergence. So we now know that the whole "Ridgeless vs. Ridges" story.

I myself liked the way they explained it. It was better than just leaving it at "We don't talk about it".

It's got to be something on your end there, the board has been running smoothly as far as I've been able to tell.

With all the TiVo's and other DVR's out there you have to wonder how much the day a show airs actually matters now. I'm sure the numbers are still fairly small compared to how many don't have them but there will come a day when it makes no difference when a show is actually aired.

In fact there could come a time when shows aren't aired, they're delivered directly to a TiVo type of device over night for the next day or people will oog in and download the shows that they want when they want them.

Well, they're putting Survivor up against American Idol so it's an iffy proposition.

So they are basicly using it as filler between Survivor seasons.

Survivor was moved to Wednesdays. CBS does seemingly want SMDS to succeed or they wouldn't have paired it with The Big Bang Theory.

I'd hate to think that Survivor is being bumped for something like this show. I like Shatner and all but the whole concept of this show just doesn't appeal to me at all.

Before Generations, no. After Generations, yes.

Do you know where I can get the music they play? Is there a soundtrack available?

http://www.amazon.com/Survivor-Official-So...S/dp/B00004XSRQ