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I'll give it a 4, it was an interesting 2 parter and introduces the Defiant to the series but it wasn't one of the episodes (two actually) that I just want to see multiple times. I'll re-watch it when I'm going in order from start to finish but if I'm skipping around I usually skip over this.

Yes, welcome to the board. I look forward to some good discussions too.

 

Are you sure he wasn't in any? I think you may have to sit down and watch every single episode just to make sure... lol

 

Living Witness was a good episode, of course the only 'real' character in that one was the Doctor though because it takes place hundreds of years into the future and the Voyager crew that we see are all simulations.

 

 

Nice try. No, I don't think I want to watch these two series again. I've had quite enough.

 

That's precisely the point - a simulation manages to finally have a clear purpose and act straight-forward. What does that say about the real Janeway, I wonder. But then, the beauty of all this is that I don't HAVE to watch Voyager. :huh: I'm fine with TOS and TNG.

Yeah, even Russ had a role on TNG.

 

Oh yeah, don't forget his first science fiction role on Spaceballs. Probably more people saw that role than Voyager, although they probably don't know the actor.

 

You know the one I'm talking about, right? It's in the desert.

 

"We ain't found shit!"

Was that him? I'll have to go back and re-watch it, I didn't realize it was him.

I have, yes. I forced myself through seven dreadful seasons of Voyager and three seasons of ENT, the first part of the fourth season, then it became too much for me to take and I left out a few episodes because I was angry and frustrated and then watched the last few again only to realize they were even worse - lol.

 

But yes. I like to know/understand why I dislike something. It's not that I watched only a handful of episodes and decided to dislike these two series. I don't care to RE-watch them, though, that much I do admit. Once was enough. Quite.

Well, in the last part of the 4th season of Enterprise there were some excellent (in my opinion) episodes. I especially liked the 3 part Vulcan story.

 

So out of 170 or so Voyager episodes and 75 or 80 Enterprise episodes there wasn't a single episode that you'd have rated as "ok" or at least as "doesn't suck"? lol Not even the episodes Patrick Stewart was in?

 

 

He was not in any VOY episodes. (Fortunately!) I remember Janeway MENTIONING Jean-Luc, but that was all. And ENT... they only used a scene from "Menage A Troi" and we only see Jean-Luc's back. And that was in "These Are The Voyages", and THAT episode is NO, lol. If he truly had been in any VOY or ENT episodes, I still wouldn't like them. I don't like most of the TNG movies either, after all. :huh:

 

There was indeed one single Voy episode that I remember liking somewhat. Janeway had a clear purpose and a clear way of doing things for a change. It was "Living Witness". ENT... no, not really.

Living Witness was a good episode, of course the only 'real' character in that one was the Doctor though because it takes place hundreds of years into the future and the Voyager crew that we see are all simulations.

This is another episode that I really enjoyed, a lot of character acting and not a lot of reliance on special effects (though some). Lori Petty does a good job as Noss, the movie I always think of is "A League of Their Own" though.

After finishing the episode I had to look up the Vulcan Master that teaches young Tuvok because his voice is so distinctive. He played Tumek in DS9's "The House of Quark" and "Looking For par'Mach In All The Wrong Places" and was Galt in the TOS episode "The Gamesters of Triskelion" as well as a Suiliban doctor in Enterprise (in Broken Bow).

So he played in TOS, DS9, Voyager and Enterprise. Shame he never had a role on TNG.

This was a good episode, I'd have rated it as a 5 if it wasn't for the story problem with Braxton remembering his time in the 20th Century. In Futures End Part 2, at the end he stats that he never experienced that timeline and the events wintin it.

But in this episode he not only experienced them, he resents Voyager for them. Which is another problem, in Futures End he admits that it was his fault that the whole incident happened to begin with.

Still, even with those flaws it was a good episode.

I'm back to thinking about getting a tablet. I was initially looking at a smart phone but really don't think I'd use it for all bells and whistles to justify the cost and I dispise having to sign a new 1 year contract. Verizon already gets too much of my money with my phone, I don't want to have to pay the data plan too.

I'm currently comparing the iPad 2 with the Xoom. Right now, if I get one I'm leaning toward the Xoom.

I had no idea they were making a Three Stooges movie.

I have, yes. I forced myself through seven dreadful seasons of Voyager and three seasons of ENT, the first part of the fourth season, then it became too much for me to take and I left out a few episodes because I was angry and frustrated and then watched the last few again only to realize they were even worse - lol.

 

But yes. I like to know/understand why I dislike something. It's not that I watched only a handful of episodes and decided to dislike these two series. I don't care to RE-watch them, though, that much I do admit. Once was enough. Quite.

So out of 170 or so Voyager episodes and 75 or 80 Enterprise episodes there wasn't a single episode that you'd have rated as "ok" or at least as "doesn't suck"? lol Not even the episodes Patrick Stewart was in?

TOS: "And The Children Shall Lead". I can't stand that episode. Oh and "The Way To Eden". Can't stand that one either.

 

TNG: Every episode in which a lame random chick shows up and Jean-Luc falls for her for whatever lame reason. (The exception from this is "The Inner Light". I approve of Eline.) And "Attached", "Remember Me", "Sub Rosa" and pretty much every episode that has too much Crusher for my taste. Can't stand that stupid redhead. I also don't like "The Game". Yuck.

 

DS9: The Ferengi episodes, mostly. And war episodes. Not my thing. Oh and Ezri episodes. I can't stand Ezri.

 

VOY: The entire series.

 

ENT: The entire series.

 

 

Movies: Insurrection, Generations and Nemesis.

I'm curious, have you watched all of Enterprise and Voyager?

It's not a matter of getting tired of it, it's more a matter of wanting to keep the Episode Guide more in line for it's intended purpose. http://www.startrekfans.net/index.php?showtopic=29381. Or at least wanting to keep it close to it's intended purpose.

Anyway, on this topic and to answer your question in the other thread, yes there's episodes I would say I disliked. Some a little and some very much so.

I'll post a few that come off the top of my head. In the movie category, Star Trek V was the worst of the TOS crew's movies by far. The only reason to watch it is if you want to watch all of the movies from TMP through Star Trek (2009).

Another horrible movie would be Nemesis and like ST:V the only reason to watch is if you're watching all of them one after another.

Episode wise, TOS season 3 "Spock's Brain" and "The Way to Eden" were pretty bad as were a lot of season 3's episodes.

Most (or at least a lot of) TNG's first season was pretty bad, one episode that comes to mind is "Code of Honor". Another is "Justice". Both just really poor episodes.

In DS9 I never really liked "In The Hands of the Prophets".

In Voyager, most of the first 2 seasons. I can't name any specific episode off the top of my head right now.

Enterprise, "A Night In Sickbay" was pretty bad but one of the things I disliked in Enterprise was the whole Xindi theme that was used for the third season. There were a lot of good episodes in the third season but I hated to see a full season used up on one underlying theme that I didn't really like in the first place. I wish the fourth season had been the third season allowing the fourth season to be what the fifth season was said to have been planned to be.

I'll stop there for now.

Let me ask it a different way. Is there any episode of Trek where you would say "Man, that one sucked!"?

That would be a very good topic to start, since this isn't one of those episodes I'll wait for you to start it and give you some examples. Ten Forward would be a good forum for that topic.

Why would I call an episode that I liked anything other than good? I've been pretty open about the fact that I believe DS9 is the best of all the series, so why would it come as a surprise to you that I liked most of DS9's episodes?

Is there an episode you don't say that about?

Well, in an episode review thread, it's generally meant for people to actually review or give a comment about the episode after they've seen it. So my suggestion of watching the episode would be said about any and all episodes that you would comment that you haven't seen. That way you could add to the discussion, be it that you didn't like it or that you did like it.

1946 Abbott & Costello "The Time of Their Lives"

Oh, and another thing - why does Fox spell his name with a U instead of an O, like everyone else?

http://www.fbi.gov/wanted/topten/usama-bin-laden

Yeah! Take that VBG!

Thinking back on Enterprise, I can't think of any instance where they went against canon. Maybe they did but at the moment I can't think of it.

As for the Ferengi and Borg, I liked both of those episodes very much. The Borg episode actually tied the series nicely together with TNG and made a good connection there. The Ferengi episode was just fun.

Like I said though, everyone can have their own opinion of each series and that's ok. It's not a competition where one side wins and the other loses. Hard core Star Trek fans will always fall on one side or another. My father was a big TOS fan, he watched TNG but hated Picard and thought of him as weak and not in the mold of what a Star Trek captain should be. Mr.Picard would obviously disagree with that opinion, but that's ok.

Was Star Trek Enterprise a good series? I'll listen to Hard Core Star Trek fans opinions but wouldn't let those opinions persuade. I would actually look more toward casual fans or even non fans to see what their opinoins are and those would hold a little more water with me.

My oldest brother recently watched Enterprise from start to finish, originally he had a pretty low opinion about it (when it first aired). After watching the entire series from start to finish though he thought it was a very good series and couldn't understand how it ended up cancelled. I have a couple of other friends that did the same thing and very much enjoyed the series.

You didn't like it, that's ok. Just don't buy the DVD's, watch the re-runs or streams of it online. As I've said, I put it's first 4 seasons up against any other first 4 seasons in the franchise and in my opinion it's just as strong as all other series and better than some. Especially those first 2 seasons. Sorry Mr.Picard but with only a few exceptions the first season of TNG was really bad, the second season wasn't a whole lot better but it was better. TNG didn't really start to get good till the third season... in my opinion of course.

No,one episode is not a reason for a series to die. Enterprise was an excellent series and was only getting better. That's like saying "Skin of Evil" or "Code of Honor" or "Shades of Gray" were reasons that TNG should never have made it past 1 or 2 seasons. For that matter, just taking the first 2 seasons as an example why a third shouldn't have happened.

Had TNG happened to be the 4th series, made in 2001 and given the exact same cast and episodes, it wouldn't have made it to it's third season.

I've said it before here, I would hold Enterprises forst 4 seasons up against any other series in the franchise and it would hold it's own and even beat a couple of the series. TNG and Voyager specifically.

I didn't really like that they turned the Enterprise finale into a TNG episode. It was an interesting concept for an episode, but not for the final episode of the entire series.

1959's "John Paul Jones" with Robert Stack

DS9 "The Sound of Her Voice"

I've always liked this episode.

Heard this on the radio this afternoon, haven't heard it in a while...