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I'm still pissed that Obi Wan was given a Padiwan before becoming a Master, and a Padiwan who the Jedi Council knew would be controversial at best. So Obi Wan defeated Darth Maul, so what? That means he is a good fighter, not a good instructor. Given that Anakin became a Padiwan through unusual means I would think the Jedi Council would have assigned an ultra-orthadox mentor.

 

Chekov might have completed his Academy studies in less than 4 years. That would fit with the way they portrayed him as a whiz kid. However, anyone who knows anything about service academies knows the training is highly regimented, with little room for deviations from the set training schedule.

Yes, maybe he completed it in less than 4 years. So was it 3 years and he was 14? 2 years and he was 15? To me it's just not good writing. If they wanted to make all the changes that they made then why not just make Chekov 21 and say he entered the Academy at 17 or 18? It's like they wanted to have a 17 year old farm boy become wiz kid that masters the force to take on the evil empire... oh wait, that's a different story...

As for the whole Padawan situation, those issues never bothered me. To me Star Wars was always set as total fantasy from "a long time ago, in a galaxy far, far away..." so the little inconsistencies and annoyances just didn't bother me personally.

Something I was thinking about earlier, Chekov is 17 in the movie and he's a bridge officer (Ensign) under Capt. Pike. So how old was Chekov when he went to the Academy, 13?

(Yes, I know it's a fantasy movie and maybe I'm 'over thinking' it. But there were also those out there that were highly annoyed that Anakin was given a padawan named Ahsoka Tano in "The Clone Wars" I won't name names on that though... )

I know that, it's just, bigfoot, why not the lochness monster?

Owners purgative lol

What has bigfoot have to do with anything????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????/

It was a joke. Hence the "lol" after it.

Along the same lines (almost) I remember when Johnny Cash died, within 24 hours I began seeing Motel 6 commercials (I think it was Motel 6) with him singing "I've Been Everywhere". I thought even that was in bad taste so soon after his death.

David Letterman though is just bad taste in a suit.

One thing about the story in a larger sense (comedy wise) is how Star Trek through Deep Space Nine and Voyager addressed both Amelia Earheart and Hanger 18 (Roswell).

Through Star Trek we learn that Quark, Rom and Nog (with Odo) are the Roswell aliens and Amelia Earheart was abducted by other aliens, it's a shame they didn't address Bigfoot while they were at it lol.

That would be out of character for Picard though, and when he asked Data if he knew that would happen Data said that he understood.

I've had 3 myself, nothing the size of what he's showing of course. I have a hard time believing that the thing he's holding was the stone though. I thought (though could easily be wrong) that if they (the stones) were too big they'd have to go in and do surgery or use ultra sound to break them up. Something that size passing through your kidney could do some major damage.

The last time I had one in 2000 I was in so much pain that I told the nurse to just go get me a gun lol. Just imagine being in that much pain and vomiting while a nurse tries to take blood but can't find the vein in your arm (and you have to try to stay as still as you can).

She poked me about 6 times before she finally had to go get the head nurse to do it. She had to take it from the top of my hand instead of the inside joint of your elbow. She said it was because I was so dehydrated but I think the first nurse was just incompetent lol

I believe it was just an oversight by the writers, of course there is an example of a non warp ship being able to travel at warp speeds. In DS9 the Bajoran solar ship that Sisko built was able to travel at warp so perhaps the Botany Bay was traveling at warp due to something within space that accelerated it.

Both beasts bear some resemblance to Cloverfield (the first in the face, the second in the body, to a degree). But neither is an exact copy of it. They were both designed by Neville Page, who designed Cloverfield, so that's the reason for that.

 

Of the aspects of the movie that I didn't like, I think the "monsters" was the part I disliked the most. Off the top of my head I can't think of any other Star Trek show/movie that had some giant "monster" trying to eat someone.

 

That was one of the parts of the movie to me and multiple other people that I know where it was too much of a "Star Wars like" gimmick. Like in The Phantom Menace where the underwater creatures were trying to eat Obi Wan and Qui Gon.

 

Star Trek has always been more "intelligent" than to have such "fantasy" elements that you'd expect from "Lost In Space" or something of that ilk. So for me, had they left the giant man eating monsters out it would have been a plus.

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I specifically disliked that Voyager episode too. Probably why I didn't remember it. Gene Roddenberry said it best though:

What's been wrong with science fiction in television and in motion pictures for years is that whenever a monster was used, the tendency was to say 'Ah, Ha! Let's have a BIG one that comes out, attacks, and kills everyone.' Nobody ever asked 'why?' in any other story, if something attacks (a bear, a man or whatever), the author is expected to explain, 'here is why it is the way it is, here are the things that led it to do this, here is what it wants.'

 

A classic example of doing this right was one of our most popular episodes, written by Gene Coon, entitled 'The Devil in the Dark'. The 'Horta' was an underground creature which attacked a group of miners. In the end they find out that it attacked because - surprise - it was a mother! It was protecting its eggs because the miners were destroying them in the belief that they were just strange-looking mineral formations.

 

With this understood, the Horta suddenly became understandable, too. It wasn't just a monster - it was SOMEONE. And the audience could put themselves in the place of the Horta ... identify ... feel! That's what drama is all about. And that's its importance, too ... if you can learn to feel for a Horta, you might also be learning to understand and feel for other humans of different colors, ways and beliefs.

He kind of goes off a little from the point of the monster to show how it can teach tolerance here in human society, but the point of the monster (I believe) is that he believed that the thing "wrong" with sci-fi was when they (the writers/directors/producers) just throw some giant monster out there because it's "sci-fi" and there "should be giant monsters trying to eat our heroes" when it has nothing to actually add to the telling of the story. Giant monsters trying to eat Cpt. Kirk just for the sake of giant monsters trying to eat Cpt. Kirk is, in my opinion just silly and something best left to "Lost in Space". I didn't even like it too much in The Phantom Menace, but Star Wars is more "Space Fantasy" and you expect that kind of thing in "space fantasy".

Star Trek is (or was till 2009) reality based science fiction. By reality based I mean that it's supposed to be reality, or what reality could be 250 to 300 years into the future. Whenever I watch the movie now, I fast forward past the giant "Kirk-eating monster". It was just silly, sort of like the giant rock creature in Galaxy Quest that tried to eat Tim Allen.

The Voyager landing on a planet's surface? I dunno, sounds a bit fishy to me... But it was still a good episode. The crew's reaction to the truck's backfire had me rolling on the floor, and the rest of the crew's dedication to Janeway and the ship nearly had me in tears. Nearly. A great way to start off season 2.

 

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I don't remember when it was established that Voyager could land but I believe it was part of the ships "back story" before the series even began running.

Both beasts bear some resemblance to Cloverfield (the first in the face, the second in the body, to a degree). But neither is an exact copy of it. They were both designed by Neville Page, who designed Cloverfield, so that's the reason for that.

Of the aspects of the movie that I didn't like, I think the "monsters" was the part I disliked the most. Off the top of my head I can't think of any other Star Trek show/movie that had some giant "monster" trying to eat someone.

That was one of the parts of the movie to me and multiple other people that I know where it was too much of a "Star Wars like" gimmick. Like in The Phantom Menace where the underwater creatures were trying to eat Obi Wan and Qui Gon.

Star Trek has always been more "intelligent" than to have such "fantasy" elements that you'd expect from "Lost In Space" or something of that ilk. So for me, had they left the giant man eating monsters out it would have been a plus.

Hadn't seen this before but it doesn't surprise me at all. Letterman is worthless, I stopped watching around 1993 or 1994. Though "stopped watching" isn't really the right phrase, I only watched once in a while as it was anyway.

I honestly don't believe it's about "saving the franchise". I honestly don't believe it needed "saving" but that's just my opinion. I do believe it's all about a movie every few years that will make money regardless of what the fans think/like/dislike. One of the new writers said so much himself, that this is the way it will be (alternate timeline and canon be damned) so long as HE'S in the picture.

To me, saying that they had to do an "alternate timeline" and had to make the changes that they made to canon was the only way to attract a "new audience" is just flat out wrong and a copout. It was their way of saying "screw canon, we're doing what we want and they'll be forced to go along!"

They'll make a few movies and make money. Probably a little less with each installment and then they'll be done and we'll be left with the mess.

I was reading my book "Chariots for Apollo" which is about the making if the Lunar Modules for the Apollo program. In it, the writer was speaking of Jesco Von Puttkamer and his role in the design of the LM and that he was in a hurry to finish his work one night so he could get home to watch his favorite TV show... Star Trek.

I was watching "Clues" earlier today and something struck me about a sentence that Picard said that brought back to my mind the episode in question here in this thread.

If you recall in that episode (Clues) the Enterprise discovers an M class planet in a place where an M class planet shouldn't be. They go through a wormhole (which wasn't really a wormhole at all) and are all knocked out for 30 seconds while the Enterprise is thrown a distance away from the "wormhole".

Through little "Clues" the crew discovers that Data is lying to them and that they were out for much more than 30 seconds. Picard then discusses the situation with Data in his ready room where Data refuses a direct order to disclose what is going on. Picard asks Data if he understands what a court martial will mean, that Starfleet will have him "Stripped down to his wires" to figure out what went wrong.

That's the line that got me. If Riker refused an direct order and had to be court martialed would they do an autopsy to rip out his brain and see if he had gone insane for refusing an order? Would they remove the implants in Geordi's brain that make his VISOR work to see if that was what caused him to refuse a direct order?

This episode (Clues) completely ignores Measure of a Man in that one line. It makes it seem as though Data is indeed the "property" of Starfleet and that they would disassemble him as someone would a car if it "broke down" in order to figure out what "went wrong".

Anyway, just an observation I made this afternoon.

The key thing to remember is that you have to watch the WHOLE show to completly understand it. I don't like seasons 1-3 over 4-7, but i think they are essential to understanding some of the characters. Obviously not Tom and B'Elanna because that didn't happen till Kes left but, meh. And i think the only interesting thinbg abut Seven was the fact that she had to refind her humanity, but after about four to fiive eps, that even got old.

I've watched the whole season multiple times over the years. I'm at the point now though that I just skip the seasons that I don't like.

But for me Seasons1-3 are my favorites...

Just the opposite for me. When it was in first run, the first couple of seasons turned me off to Voyager. Even now when I put the DVD's in I usually start with season 3 or 4. Same with TNG, I usually skip the first 2 seasons and start with season 3.

DS9, TOS and ENT gets the full run when I pop those in though.

There was definitely a turret, and that person definitely left the ship via the turret. He may have been in the cooridor and got sucked out through the turret.

It looks to me that she's in a corridor and yes, she hits the turret outside the ship for sure. Was she "in" the turret though? I don't think she was but they used such fast cuts in that part of the movie and this recording isn't high quality to be able to tell but the turrets outside on the ship caught my attention the first time I saw them since we never see phaser turrets in any other incarnation of Federation design.

I'm not sure that the person that was knocked into space was inside the turret. Though the only place in Star Trek that I can recall seeing a "turret" like that was on DS9 which of course was cardassian in design.

When seeing things like this though keep in mind that Abrams had little regard for things that were "Star Trek" design or "tradition". That's my take on it anyway. Same with the writers, I say a quote from one of the writers where he was being questioned about the way time travel has always been regarded in Star Trek as opposed to this new way that they've written it and his remark came across as a tad arrogant to me. Something along the lines of "this is how it is, at least as long as I have anything to do with Star Trek this is how it'll be". In other words, "it's his way so suck it up and move on".

I saw the Simpsons, Beavis & Butthead, and South Park movies but these weren't kiddie movies per se.

I didn't see any of those and in all I may have watched a total of 5 minutes (combined) of all of those shows in their entire time in existence.

My favorite Beatles song is whichever one I can't hear lol