Gotabite 0 Posted March 17, 2004 I would like to ask a question here that is very important to me. I am not a very conservative thinker in my views about life, people and situations. So very often statements that I make, when I mean no harm or disrespect, have gotten me in a lot of trouble..............such is the case at this moment......So I want your honest opinion........If you make the statement that someone knows how to use their looks to get what they want.....does that always have to mean something negative or disrespectful?.........Thanks :huh: Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Tina 0 Posted March 17, 2004 Hey Gorabite Well i have gotten yelled at for worse.Don't take them too seriouslly.Just stick to what you belive in "To thy own self be true" (BTW Its true about people using looks to get what they want) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Indy 8 Posted March 17, 2004 I think the only people it would insult are those that are using only looks to get what they want. For those people who use their looks along with their intelligence, respect for other people and genuine interest in what they're trying to accomplish, I don't think they would have a problem with it. They are a package deal wisely using all tools at their disposal to succeed. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jeanway 0 Posted March 17, 2004 I would like to ask a question here that is very important to me. I am not a very conservative thinker in my views about life, people and situations. So very often statements that I make, when I mean no harm or disrespect, have gotten me in a lot of trouble..............such is the case at this moment......So I want your honest opinion........If you make the statement that someone knows how to use their looks to get what they want.....does that always have to mean something negative or disrespectful?.........Thanks :huh: unfortunately, yes. That's called manipulation. When you use another's emotions to get what you want. :huh: "It's a sad, sad situation and it's getting more and more obsurd". Who sang that? :huh: Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
v_seven 0 Posted March 17, 2004 I think in today's world...use have to use the resources that you have... no one's going to help you, help yourself.......what ever it takes, but only if you can still look in the mirror and still respect yourself :huh: Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Captain Bolivar 0 Posted March 17, 2004 I'd say it was a negative thing to say about a person because I don't using looks to get yourself something in honorable or moral. I have noticed that many women tend to do that... (not tying to be sexist, but I think there is some truth to that) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jeanway 0 Posted March 17, 2004 Sadly, yes :huh: , it's true. Some women do that. Some women don't. Just be aware that this can and does happen. But I think we are all programed that way. It's about propagation of the species. Kind of a little trick to make sure the species doesn't die out. Seems like everybody is just running around looking to make sure the species doesn't die out. :huh: If you catch my meaning. Just being clinical here, nothing bad. :huh:, that's why our eyes are so close to our brains. so nothing gets past us, a kind of missed opportunity kind of thing. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
hangon 3 Posted March 17, 2004 Some ppl use there looks to get what they want,i myself would never do such a thing i think its wrong,but ppl who do that are uselly very shallow ppl and not worth the time of day. But i will admit i do use my charm to get what i want but i never use ppl for my own goals. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Theunicornhunter 2 Posted March 17, 2004 Are you asking if a person made that observation of another - would that observation necessarily be negative? I think that would depend on how the person making the observation felt about it. Some people would speak the words with awe and others with cynicism. On the topic of using your looks, I have made the observation that "looks" does include personality to some extent. Maybe being beautiful gives you the confidence you need but looks don't do you any good if you don't "use" them. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Nemesis 0 Posted March 17, 2004 Well charism sells a product, and good looks help. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jeanway 0 Posted March 17, 2004 (edited) ^ ^ ^ AHEM! ::clears throat:: Are you referring to that monkey holding a gun? ::eyeballs monkey::? What's he selling? Guns? :huh: :huh: Edited March 17, 2004 by Jeanway Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Nemesis 0 Posted March 17, 2004 AHEM! ::clears throat:: Are you referring to that monkey holding a gun? ::eyeballs monkey::? Well would you by food from someone who was fat, or someone who was thin with a nice bust? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mj 7 Posted March 17, 2004 I would like to ask a question here that is very important to me. I am not a very conservative thinker in my views about life, people and situations. So very often statements that I make, when I mean no harm or disrespect, have gotten me in a lot of trouble..............such is the case at this moment......So I want your honest opinion........If you make the statement that someone knows how to use their looks to get what they want.....does that always have to mean something negative or disrespectful?.........Thanks :) It may just be a true statement. There may be no intent of negativity on the part of the speaker. And do not most people try to look their best in situations such as interviews, competitions,and so forth? That is at least taking into account your appearance. Some people may be better at maximizing the use of their appearance than others, hence know how to use their looks. Statement of fact. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Red Shirt Volunteer 0 Posted March 18, 2004 I would like to ask a question here that is very important to me. I am not a very conservative thinker in my views about life, people and situations. So very often statements that I make, when I mean no harm or disrespect, have gotten me in a lot of trouble..............such is the case at this moment......So I want your honest opinion........If you make the statement that someone knows how to use their looks to get what they want.....does that always have to mean something negative or disrespectful?.........Thanks :) It may just be a true statement. There may be no intent of negativity on the part of the speaker. And do not most people try to look their best in situations such as interviews, competitions,and so forth? That is at least taking into account your appearance. Some people may be better at maximizing the use of their appearance than others, hence know how to use their looks. Statement of fact. I agree. Everybody has to make use of their "looks," whatever looks they may have, in situations like interviews and business meetings. Not making an effort on appearance is the first thing that people notice about you and can lead to a downward spiral when people lack the knowledge/personality to carry themselves. Looking professional (or whatever look is required depending on the situation) is the first and best way to make a successful start to relationship whether it be work or private. It seems I often meet people who like moaning about the fact that people they meet are superficial and judge primarily based on appearances instead of really "getting to know someone." I find this philosophy somewhat laughable as it takes months to truly know people and see how they behave/react to a variety of situations. It's a bit wishy-washy to me to make such statements and suggests not that the person with good looks is superficial, but that the person saying so lacks confidence in their own appearance. So even though there may be no negative intent on the part of the speaker, I feel that it's a reflection of how they perceive themselves, not others. I recently finished conducting interviews with candidates for a job and one basically blew himself out of the water by making too many comments about appearance. He was very self-conscious about his own appearance, felt uncomfortable trying to look good/confident in the interview and made a pointless reference to my co-interviewer's appearance. All of our questions were focussed on the job and if he had been more comfortable with himself, he probably would've picked up on the fact that we really weren't worried about appearance at all as long as the person came across as competent and professional. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LadyNarana 0 Posted March 18, 2004 Well would you by food from someone who was fat, or someone who was thin with a nice bust? A. Careful, Nemesis - you've got two different stereotypes in there. B. I would buy from a bigger person - at least they'd know what they were talking about. There's an old saying about never trusting a thin cook. C. I know many people who are very attractive and they're bigger. And I know the exact opposite, too. D. Attractiveness has way more to do, to me, with a person's conduct and attitude than just straight looks. Don't get me wrong - first appearances are valid, but they're not everything. I'm off the subject. Do people use their looks to get what they want? Yes. Should they? Depending. Using the tools at your disposal is a valid point. Someone talked about using ONLY looks - that's sad when it's the only arrow you've got. Would saying something like that be insulting? I would think it would be to someone who's only got the one arrow OR to someone who doesn't feel that they own that particular arrow and feels badly or jealous about it. Beyond that, some people are very sensitive about non-PC comments like that. Be careful... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gotabite 0 Posted March 18, 2004 (edited) Are you asking if a person made that observation of another - would that observation necessarily be negative? I think that would depend on how the person making the observation felt about it. Some people would speak the words with awe and others with cynicism. On the topic of using your looks, I have made the observation that "looks" does include personality to some extent. Maybe being beautiful gives you the confidence you need but looks don't do you any good if you don't "use" them. What I am asking here is if you make the statement about someone that they know how to use their looks to get what they want, does that have to mean that you are saying something negative about them? Can it not also mean that they are also using their looks as one of their assets? Can it not also mean that they know their looks are a powerful feature that can make others take notice, get them in the door so to speak, and then see the other qualities and features they have going for themselves. Once I have a few more comments. I will say why I am asking this question. Thanks........ Edited March 18, 2004 by Gotabite Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Admiral Kirk 1 Posted March 18, 2004 (edited) I'd say it was a negative thing to say about a person because I don't using looks to get yourself something in honorable or moral. I have noticed that many women tend to do that... (not tying to be sexist, but I think there is some truth to that) I agree. I dont think it always has to have a negative meaning. I suppose it has to do with how this person uses her looks or in what exact manner. Edited March 18, 2004 by Admiral Kirk Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jeanway 0 Posted March 18, 2004 I think this discussion has opened up some other issues. Personality and character being two. I noticed that even some people on this site put forth an appealing personality. Are they using that too? When you start in depth dialogue with people their true nature does show itself in time. Just like when you meet someone new, the way you perceived them in the beginning may be totally different six months later. i'm guilty of prejudging people by their appearance.(Or perhaps a better way to say that is I form an opinion about them.) Not their physical attributes but more along the lines of grooming, cleanliness, habits, mannerisms, speech, and things like that. People can't help the way they look. Even attractive people have self doubts. And may perceive the attention as a negative thing. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
fenriz275 0 Posted March 18, 2004 All I know is the last time I tried to weasel my way out of a ticket I wa asked to get out of the car. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
stoned_vulcan 0 Posted March 18, 2004 It is usually meant in a negative manor since like look at it this way, someone isnt going to use their looks to solve problems in isreal... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jeanway 0 Posted March 18, 2004 All I know is the last time I tried to weasel my way out of a ticket I wa asked to get out of the car. Tiz, I just cried alot and he let me go. :wub: Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DixonHill1989 0 Posted March 18, 2004 beauty is in the eye of the beholder. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gotabite 0 Posted March 18, 2004 B) Tiz, I just cried alot and he let me go. B) :wub: And was that using your looks? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jeanway 0 Posted March 18, 2004 Probably I didn't do it intentionally) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
edmcgon 0 Posted March 19, 2004 I would like to ask a question here that is very important to me. I am not a very conservative thinker in my views about life, people and situations. So very often statements that I make, when I mean no harm or disrespect, have gotten me in a lot of trouble..............such is the case at this moment......So I want your honest opinion........If you make the statement that someone knows how to use their looks to get what they want.....does that always have to mean something negative or disrespectful?.........Thanks That phrase is generally used in a negative manner, although I suppose in a specific context it could be positive. It would have to be a "third person" context. The curse of beauty is that anything you accomplish with skill will be attributed to your looks by those who hate you. Of course, I would not know anything about this. :wub: Seriously, Gotabite, please tell me you did NOT tell somebody that they knew how to use their looks to get what they want, did you? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gotabite 0 Posted March 19, 2004 (edited) Seriously, Gotabite, please tell me you did NOT tell somebody that they knew how to use their looks to get what they want, did you? :blink: No....not exactly......But I will share something after a few more comments that has really caused some serious changes in my life. I will write it up in my personal log. So if you are interested, check that forum Edited March 19, 2004 by Gotabite Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
hangon 3 Posted March 19, 2004 I noticed that a girl at my work uses her looks to get what she wants it was very funny watching all the guys bend over backwards to help her,but she knows what shes doing shes not dumb but that stuff dont work on me...lol Share this post Link to post Share on other sites