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Kirk annoyed me, probably because i've never liked that old ham Shatner (superiority complex) and so that has tainted my view of Kirk.

"Only Nixon could go to China" - definitely! Wit and with a point.

Prometheus,  you don't want anyone to judge gay people but you just judged all us Christians as being lazy. We just hold a different point of view from you. Do you think it's ok for me to say that because you reject the Bible you're stupid? That was a very insulting comment.

No, im sorry. It didnt come out the way i meant. What i meant was, people who just blatently followed the Bible and didn't put much thought into deciding themselves whether or not something is right or wrong in their own mind. I dont like people who say something is wrong just because the Bible says so. There should be a better reason than that. The Bible isnt the be all and end all. And Macs are better than Microsoft (just to go all out!) :blink:

Well i know this is slightly off topic but my favourite Cardassian in all was Seska in Voyager. Boy was she a true villain. Vengeful, corrrupt, sneaky and always always always coming back - even when dead! I loved her. On DS9 i liked the simple tailor himself, Garak. Probobly because he was different: there was a sneaky 'twinkle' about him...

I would love to say that i would do very honourable things but in the end i just think that i would indulge myself until i got bored: parties, travel, lie ins, sex, etc Well... im only being honest!!! :blink:

I never really liked Kes and preferred Seven of Nine. But after watching re-runs of Voyager (here in the UK, 2 episodes a day from scratch!) i have re-evaluated her character. She was warm, supportive and actually quite sexier than i remember. Last night she wore a velvet cat-suit not quite unlike one her successor would wear...hmmmm.....! Well, did you like her? Oh, and comment on Seska. She ruled - what a villian. Hiss hiss.

'The Trouble with Tribbles' was always dubbed the humerous one, while 'City on the Edge of Forever' was always the tragedy. I liked Tribbles, but Mudd always brought humour as well - the rogue! Which one did you find most funny?

Storyline - weak. Visual aspects - outstanding! And, since 1970's styling has made a major comeback the wood panelling and strip lighting look contemporary again.

Being Gay is like being born with no feet? Ha ha ha!!! Oh dear. I dont think it's that bad now. Someone mentioned there that some people are gay, and not by choice. Well that shows that it's not a lifestyle choice then, as such. They said those people would chose not to be gay. But from what has been said it would seem that that is society's fault. Religion mad mothers, frowning neighbours. If society was more tolerant then they wouldn't have to want to change themselves. As for not being born perfect, WHAT IS PERFECT? Can we put a standard on what is the perfect human? Was Khan the perfect human? Sarin: "You stand here as a mistake, by your flawed human friends" (Voyage Home). We are all flawed then in some way. No-one is perfect and we should never try to by-pass these flaws as they are that make us what we are. If a small group of people shouldnt be represented then the Baku should have been ripped off their planet in Insurrection as they are too small to be counted. I have tried to use Star Trek to illustrate my points. Those who quote passages from the bible (a book of allegories and metaphors intended to bring order and ethics to a simplier man of 2000 years ago) are lazy and dont want to think about sociological problems with any great insight or understanding. 'Oh let's look up this book and see what it says', rather than examining our own feelings. Now, I have enjoyed this debate. I like reading other people's opinions and getting a good argument going once in a while - it's healthy. I dont want anyone thinking i'm being 'nasty' or annoying just because my views differ froim theirs - we have to be adults here, so no-one please report me or anything for being the bad guy who argues.....

If you've read my thread on gay people in Star Trek then you will notice a lot of opposition to gays and them being in Star Trek in general. You should not equate camp behaviour with being gay. It is one thing for a man to act affeminately, and another for a man to have sex with another man. Not all camp people are gay, and not all gay people are camp. If he is gay then it should be dropped into the series as a side thought and not as a feature.

Star Trek V has undoubtedly been dubbed the worst of all the films. An unimaginative plot, limited character usage and bad special effects. Indeed, the tale of Spock's half brother and his mad search for God may have had some good moments, but these are few and far between. Putting aside the tacky jokes, I liked the smarmy Romulan with her big hair and make-up. TOS Romulans always looked better to me than the grey proto-vulcan style TNG ones. More 'fake nice'. When I first saw it I loved the bridge design: a real 'bridge' (if you pardon the pun) between the TOS bridge and the push TNG version. But apart from Uhura gettin jiggy with McCoy and Sulu and Chekov getting lost in a forest, it was basically the amazing trio (I'm trying to say a bad word but can't)in at each other as they tried to stop the evil mad man. God himself was just a big face who cut to the chase too quickly and had surprisingly weak pwers for a super being. And in the end, everyone had a drink and forgot that they were trying to blow each other up at the start of the movie, ha ha ha! Ahem. Paradise was like a bad Mos Eisley, complete with a three breasted cat woman (who adorned the movie poster in Japan!) and television shows. Interesting but not very profound. That's my critique, but i'm interested to know if you

What I mean is, did you enjoy the Dominion War or would you have liked to have seen DS9 do something different? I thought a War was the only way for DS9 to go as this was the tougher series. After the bright campness of TOS and TNG (The flying hotel with kiddies and bright outfits) DS9 was darker and harder. There was more conflict in the air and more grit. A war was perfect as it added to this.

In the Voyager Episode where species 8472 re-create Star Fleet Academy, there is a Ferengi Cadet in the background. Now. I think that Voyager left the Alpha Quadrant before Nog went to the Academy. So. If Voyager's database (which the re-creation was based upon) wasnt updated after leaving the Alpha Quadrant then there would be no record of any Ferengi students at the Academy. So why was this Ferengi put into the re-creation? And, if Voyager was aware of Nog being at the Academy, then was this cadet another who joined in his wake?

I always thought Wesley was a child genius: he was flying a Star Ship in his early teens and experimenting with Warp theories and stuff. But he didn't get into the Academy in this instance! Does this mean that you have to be above genius level to get in? If Wes didnt get in then god knows how smart you have to be.

Revolver followed by Abbey Road. I gave my copy of Revolver away to a friend once when i was drunk because he was a big Beatles fan and had had all his albums stolen. I have to buy it again. I have the Anthology but it's on cassette.

Hmmmm. Let's see. Ive heard here that gay people cannot be compared to treatment of black people in the 1960s. In no way whatsoever? Black people are born black, they cant help it. It's who they are and they faced discrimination in the 60s because of something they couldnt help. Gay people cant help who they are either, and they face discrimination as a result. Spirituality and religion are not the same thing. You could be 'Mr Church goer 2003' and practice every belief the Bible throws at you, yet you could be as spiritual as a lemon. Kai Winn was a good example of this. Organised religion forces a beliefs system on you as opposed to letting you discover yourself and what is right for YOU. Some of the most spiritual people I know have gone on voyages of self discovery and have come out knowing what is right for them - and in some cases that has meant coming out - and as a result they have become much happier and enlightened individuals with a great sense of what is spiritual. My example earlier on of 'a world where homosexuality was the norm and heterosexuality was frowned upon', was merely a hypothetical situation designed to create a role reversal: to see whether or not a person who KNEW they were heterosexual would practice homosexuality in a homosexual world because THAT was the norm. Of course gay people cannot have children. But does everyone have to? Also, 'gay people aren't a significant enough number' to be represented. Did you watch Insurrection? What is a significant number? 100? 1000? A million??? And who can say that being Gay is a genetic flaw? Flaw! What a word. This suggests that being gay is wrong and shouldnt be in existence at at. But it is in existence. And i believe that all designs for life are not flaws. What would you do with a 'flawed' gay foetus, if it could be detected? Alter it? Do i hear eugenics? Julian Bashir? Hmf! I have heard no mention of acceptance and a lot of criticism and i see that we have a long way to go before we create the tolerant society of the Star Trek Universe.

I do not condone homosexuallity, nor do I like it, nor do I believe it has any place on televission.  I think it's sick and unatural.  I'm not even going to go into ethics and spirituallity!

If everyone in the world was gay. If all the men slept with men, and all the women slept with women and that was the way it had always been, would you do it? Would you marry a man? Sleep with him? Live with him forever? Or would you go to straight bars? And go out with a girl. And say to heck with everybody: you like women and that is that. If you dont like it then tough!??? Spirituality has nothing to do with it. A person is no less spiritual if they are gay. And if you cant tolerate things like homosexuality, people who are different then you miss the whole point of Star Trek. There are people who, in the 60's, wouldnt watch an inter-ratial kiss. Where are they today? The same place you will be a couple of decades from now.

'Mirror, Mirror' - ooooh baby!

This has been a hot topic of debate in the past. Should a more open portrayal of Gay people be made on Star Trek? We've had the kiss on DS9. The a-sexual race on TNG. But what about, say, two male crewmembers dating? Programmes like Six Feet Under have managed to integrate gay people into their scripts quite well, without the old stereotypes. In Sex in the City, there is an element of camp comedy value. I heard a rumour once that Travis Mayweather may be gay (and i mean the character). However whether or not this will happen remains to be seen. If a gay character is to be introduced then because Enterprise is closer to present times, a certain level of homophobia may still exist in that century. This may be a good era in which to introduce the character as it solves the whole problem of "anything goes man, it's all good" that was in the TNG plus era. In that era everything, no matter what, seemed to be ok and that would mean gay characters would be accepted on screen much more liberally than they would be off screen causing discomfort in some viewers. In Enterprise we could base the character on a more contemporary gay person and how they are treated by society. Whatt are your opinions? And no. Im not gay :blink:

The Borg Queen might return in disguise with a Marge Simpson style hairdo and run up to Janeway in the street and batter her over the head with a handbag. Or. A Borg cube might shoot sharpened fingernails at Voyager and scratch it's hull while hissing.

Borg Queen: "Jaaaaannnnnnewaaayyyyyy!!!!!"

They had to ration food becausethe replicators supposedly used lots of power. I mean, that was how they tried to inject suffering into the show. How much power does a flippin replicater use anyway? I think having to eat Neelix's poo-poo eggs and stuff was a load of hoey. The amount of power used in phasers and lifts and stuff ,not to mention when Voyager kept getting taken over by aliens, would have made the power used replicating a bowl of soup negligible. And i thought dilithium crystals went on for ever?

wwoooooooshhhhhhhhhhh. the rocket took off like a rocket. "arrrrrrrrrgggghhhhhhh" screamed fig, his viewers watering, as he hurtled up into the air. his rectal-shute shot waste products all over the cockpit and as he accelerated upwards, and the doors cosed, the smell was overwhelming. blubbering and crying, he shot out of the planet's atmosphere and into the darkness of space. having realised he must have hit the 'on' button, fig panicked. the combination of smell and the lurching of space made him throw up his loo-loo eggs all over himself. suddenly, two long tubes came out of the rocket on either side. before fig new it he shot like a bullet through space. when the rocket halted, all the gastric fluid and half digested eggs and rectal waste flew forwards and hit the wind shield. this made fig even more sick. suddenly a big shiny ship appeared. it was covered with lights and there was loud music coming from it. unknown to fig this was disco music and the aliens were called the Cher. the Cher ship beamed fig's little craft on board. he cautiously opened the door and was greeted by strange creatures. they were dressed in shiny fabric and their faces were all stretched back but wrinkle free. "oh" said fig."if i could turn back time!" at this the Cher creatures all started to sing and dance. one of the Chers got on top of a giant soopa-doopa cannon and started to swing it's long legs about. "argh" said fig. "this is hell..." as they started to shoop and doop.... (to be continued)

Snaggle was busy with his new rocket ship. He had been working on for 600 cycles and it was almost finished. He had just finished integrating the hypo-turbo-poppa pump with the twendy-slinko-booster and now all he had to do, was fit the sun roof. I"n case it gets too warm up there" he thought. His long time mate figs arrived.

"Wow" he said, from his extremely large naso-articla opening, under his most left antannae pit. "She's a beaut".

"I know, i know..." said Snaggle, muttering from under his pit. " Give her another cycle and she'll be away!"

"Can i sit in her" said Figs, excitedly. "Oh go on. Dont be mean"

Now let me tell you about Figs. Figs was a good friend, dont get me wrong. But at last cycle's wormwig fair, he dropped his flakkle-puss pop into the lava pond and ended up blowing half his antennae off. A very accident prone young Plossy. In fact, he was famous throughout his village as being a walking disaster.

"No you can not", Snaggle said. "You're an idiot". Now get that antannae off that handle and step away..." but it was too late. Figs was squashed in the cockpit, his viewers gleaming at the displays.

"I'll cut your antennae off til you're down to just the twelve" Snaggle shouted from beneath his pit, his naso articula spouting gastro fluid all over his tunic. 2if you touch anything.

A humming noise erupted.

"What have you done" Snaggle screamed.... (to be continued)

Voyager, for a ship alone, always looked pristine. After every battle there was minor damage in that they never lost a nacelle (a la Relaint in Khan) or a major bulkhead. Would you have liked to have seen them struggle a bit more in the last seasons like in Year of Hell or the Equinox? A half dead crew struggling for survival years away from home really tugs at the heart strings. A blind Tuvok, a dead Seven: now that would have been drama. Never have I ever laughed or felt like crying at Voyager. I feel the actors were capable of more but the circumstances and the stories just never opened up the floodgates. Voyager was essentially a flying hotel throughout with lovely lighting and immaculate carpets. They always briefly got into trouble but you always new they would get out of it. Imagine if in season 4, a big chunk of Voyager was lost forever. That would have put a spin on the show making it darker and more dangerous. Voyager should have got home by the skin of their teeth and no more, with a heavy price to pay.

I like starships. I liked the Enterprise D. It was bright and comfortable and could go almost anywhere. Exploring new worlds, shore leave, etc. But the drawbacks were potential attacks from enemy ships, power failures causing drifting and a confined space. A space station like DS9 however, offers more room to move: a city in space as it were. There's a sense of stability and you have ships coming and going. But there's the sense of being tied down. And DS9 was a bit dreary. Where would you prefer to live?