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I was the one Kylie Minogue was singing about....

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Could you please be objective when picking which death scene you thought was the greatest because there are some scenes I know that some of you will find really moving due to personal reasons but I want you to look at each of them as if you do not know the characters and you are JUST seeing their deaths. I mean I didnt really feel much when McCoy's dad died personally, but the scene was so touching and was very very sad. I know that there will be members who will automatically vote Data but I think his death scene wasnt very good. He went to a ship and it blew up. That was it - very little emotion involved. Whereas in Wrath: the look on Kirks face, the separation of two, essentially, brothers with glass. The skin hanging off his face. His touching words. Now THAT was moving!

These two films are the best out of al of them, in my opinion.

The film I have watched the most is Wrath of Khan.

The one I think is best, depends on where you are coming from.

Wrath has a great villan. The plot line is tightly written with drama and a new ship. The theme of revenge runs throughout.

FC also has a great villan, but not as great. The plot line is a little less focussed with a lot more emphasis on special effects. We also have a new ship and there is also the theme of revenge.

I prefer Wrath. It has a nicer feel to it and it doesnt wear thin on me. I can watch it over and over again and never get tired with it. FC i have to leave from time to time to get interested again. Wrath also has great follow ups and the death of Spock at the end was much more emotional than that of Data at the end of Nemesis.

Now, don't bite my head off, that is just my own subjective opinion. It depends on how close you felt to each character but I think that for someone who knew neither character and had to watch both deaths, they would feel most sad at Spock's. It was just so heart wrenching, and you could really feel Kirk's pain as well.

This is the first i've read of this thread and it's very entertaining. Such a diversion from the usual serious threads that pop up here is most welcome. Is this the next generation of posters? Is "the establishment" ready for such postings? I see a bit of 'education' is going on here should those with the oversized face icons wish to follow.

And may I say to those people that I am right there with ya in the whole Buffy situation. I like your writing style and I have always wished to express myself in a similar manner here yet have always feared the private messages that would frown on such a style and the "eh"s that often get posted after.

Buffy is a lip stick monster basher who has gone through so many emotional traumas without as much as a smudge on her mascara. Her matching handbag never gets lost and her ability to act like a canary on speed has never waned in the face of multiple stabbings and fangs. Yes Willow always sounded like someone who just needed to give their nose a good blow. Her snivelling and dowdiness broke away only when she got all gothed up and didnt care who she made evaporate. Her lesbian lover needed a good kick up the *buttocks* and had SHEhad a friend then god knows how feeble she would have been. It seemed the further away from Buffy you got by degrees of separation, the bigger the idiot you were. The return of Faith was ridiculous: it never ceased to amaze me how vindictive psychopaths could come back saying sorry and be best buds with the person they tried to decapitate. I know that if someone wanted to stick me on a bonfire and then chop my burning head off with an axe after massacring my only remaining family, I couldnt go and have an ice-cream sundae with them a week later.

No. The series was candy for when you wanted your brain to do an Odo and slop into a bucket and was fun solely on that level. Ding dong indeed!

Back to the Future is one of my favourite series of films, along with Indiana Jones, Star Wars and Superman.

Apart from some oversights with time-travel (which! - and can we please not turn this into a massive debate on time travel theories - is unimportant) it is a good solid trilogy.

The second one was trashed by the critics but I loved it's the most because of the way in which it saw the future. The Jaws advert and the Texaco station were very funny.

All the evil twins in South Park had goatee beards like Spock in Mirror Mirror.

Also. in the finale of Third Rock from the Sun there were loads of people in Star Trek uniforms

In one of the Carry On films a little chubby kid wears a Star Trek Insignia tee-shirt

In Bill and Ted's Bogus Journey, Kirk and the Gorn are at that famous rock fighting on the television; and then later on Bill and Ted are pushed off the same rock

Kirk beamed into an episode of Mork and Mindy

Guy from the evil trio in Buffy: "He's Captain Picard and you are Deanna Troi..." that one had me in stitches

The one thing that made me wonder though was this: in the 1930s and 1940s that was how cinema goers saw the future. Flash Gordon and Ming the merciless and rockets and stuff. They thought that that was a realistic interpretation of the future. Now, we contemporary viewers are looking back at such ideas as funny in their naivety. I wonder if viewers in 2050 will look back at Voyager and The Noxt Generation in the same way that we look back at shows like Captain Proton.

Either way, that was just a thought. That aside, I agree that Captain Proton was hilarious and I liked Captain Janeway as Queen Arachnia, of the Spider people in another Proton Episode.

Well my view is this:

Science likes to come up with several hypotheses on a collection of variables and then experiment with them to prove or disprove these hypotheses.

In this instance, we have two hypotheses from Alterego and CJLP. Since we have no way, as yet, to experiment with these theories and prove or disprove them we will only end up arguing until we are blue in the face. No one is right or wrong.

In such a case, the best thing is to just present your hypothesis, why you think it is right, weigh up why it may be wrong, and then just leave it at that until such future experiments will do their stuff with it.

It's a bit like me arguing that apples on Venus will be pink. I could state that and explain why and then that would be that. Some people may argue for hours why they would be pears, and not apples; and that they would be blue and not pink. But until someone goes to Venus and has a look, any further debate would be pointless!

Dax his peer couln't hear the tears of Bashir and made it clear that from here, he she would not endear. Then a new Dax did appear and, with minor fear, made him her dear. Awww. We didn't leer. Or sneared. We were just near happy for Bashir.

First two seasons aside, I think the show still looks great. And everyone is aging well, I even think Troi looks better now. Sure, Riker and Data are losing their physique, but compared to the TOS guys they are still doing well I'd say.

Run. The girls will hunt you down and kill yo for sayin that!

To throw my two cents in I would like to say this: I have Saturday Night Fever on vinal and cd format. Sometimes I like to hear it on vinal because it sounds softer and more in keeping with it's era that sense. But sometimes I like to listen to my CD. Just because Star Trek TOS would be enhanced and revamped wouldn't mean that that would be the ONLY way you would have of watching it from then on. Im with Alterego on this point. It would merely give you the OPTION of watching a revamped episode if you so wished. The original version would still be there untouched in it's own right.

CaptainPicard: you seem very over protective of a series you admit yourself to only having watched 10 episodes of. If you want to watch it as it was then do so. No one will be putting a gun to your head to make you watch any newer version. And Mudd: I dont think that revamping Star Trek would be opening up the floodgates for other classic shows to be revamped also. Since Star Trek is a contemporary show, people who watch it will obviously go back and watch classic episodes based on shows like Enterprise's popularity. Therefore there will be a market for re-doing classic episodes for that younger audience, that wont really be there for Batman and the likes. Also, there is a lot less needed doing to such series as Batman as they have already fulfilled their potential. Already there are plans to re-make Battlestar Gallactica: is that blasphemous?

Im only presenting an objective argument and I hope it makes sense.

Who voted Generations? :)

Who needs personality? :) ok, calm down. B) joke! joke!!!

I liked the uniforms. They were very chilled out looking.

I have seen girls throw themselves at men who are complete b*stards in the name of love. I had a friend who was a guy and subsequently I have fallen out with him. But he had this girl who fancied the hell out of him and he would do things like push her down steps in a night club, throw drinks over her and generally be a complete git to her. And she would repetitively let him do this. She loved him and obsessed over him. Of course one day she snapped and that was that. I would like to think that Marla also snapped and Khan put one of those things in her to make her more obedient. I can only think of all the other super humans as hating her as a norm and being jealous of her affections with Khan, whom THEY all love no end. Maybe she was murdered. I myself would never let anyone walk over me. My mother taught me that. She said no one will respect you when you wont respect yourself! Wise woman. :)

(With a sneer) it would appear that my strange tale was unclear and didn't endear. Sigh. Poor Bashir. What a career. If you lend us your ear i fear i'll only bore you to a tear.

Q's son. Bring him on board. That would be interesting because the boy can go anywhere in time after being 'born' during Voyager. Delancy is getting much older looking now than he was when TNG started.

The reason I have pit these two films against each other is thus: I think Undiscovered Country is the superior film, but I know that there a lot more younger fans out there who think The Next Generation is the be all and end all of the Star Trek Universe and will always favour a film with members of that series in it. I have noticed that when it comes to films there are a lot of comments on Nemesis and Insurrection and 'TNG' based films but not as much as the TOS films. So here's your chance to vote. Which of these two is the best film?

How do you think The Next Generation is aging? When you watch Seasons 1 and 2 what elements make you think it looks old? Overall, the look is still somewhat timeless. The pastel shades and odd use of red lcds does let it down at times. Also, whereas we now have lots of chrome, for a contemporary feel, the white plastics of the late 80s and early 90s have a cheaper feel. I think DS9 will age the least. Voyager may become a little dated when chrome goes out of fashion again.

I've put this in with the Voyager posts because when Captain Janeway met Admiral Janeway they didn't really get on. And it's that sort of relationship I want to talk about here. Imagine you met your future self? Would you get on with them do you think? What about your past self? When I was 18 I was a lot more dull and boring. I didnt like to go any where and was a bit arrogant. I knew it all. I am now a lot more self confident and relaxed and love to have fun as much as I can. I am more open and tolerant. I wouldn't like to meet myself from 6 years ago. As for my future self, I would like to hope that he would be a successful person with a good life but also able to have fun.

The Enterprise is zipping through space when it spots a lovely big red planet. Kirk is on the bridge looking sexy in his big chair and Spock is scanning. Aparently the planet is fascinating so they grab Dr McCoy and a red shirt and they beam down. They encounter a small village made up of a few tents and ten people. They meet Spandex who is the leader of the village and indeed the whole planet. The planet has no technology at all. Spandex and his beautiful daughter Malaria tell the landing party that their planet is terrorised by a God called Xerox. Xerox appears and is enraged. He is tall and buff and wears a toga. He fires a lightning bolt and kills the red shirt. He tells the landing party that they will not interfere. Spock arches and eye-brow and McCoy says "God dammit Jim".

Back on the Enterprise, the ship is being shaken by an unknown force. Uhura is excited cause communications are down and Scottie is saying "she wont take more ah this". Sulu and Chekov look worried.

Back on the planet, Kirk has fallen in love with Malaria. They kiss. Xerox appears and Spock scans him. He traces an energy signature to a box behind a rock. Ha! The God is an alien using technology to rule the planet. They destroy it and Xerox fades away. The planet is grateful. Kirk tells Malria he will never forget her and Spock arches an eyebrow. They beam back to the ship.

They all stand around Kirk and he crosses his legs. Kirk makes witty comment and they all laugh. Ha ha ha ha.... Enterprise rides off into space.

Duff beer for me. Duff beer for youuuuu. You have a Duff, I'll have one toooo"

I you have a certain opinion then why not express it so we can have a discussion instead of trying to make fun of us who really enjoy watching Enterprise..

Hey! I was only having a bit of fun. We all need to have a sense of humour. Roll with the punches. Star Trek isn't sacred. I enjoy poking fun at some aspects of it but i'm not having a go.

Of course we all want to have a bit fun, but this felt more like you made fun of those who watch Enterprise. A bit like "how can you watch such a stupid show?", but I might be mistaking.

Im poking fun at no-one. Im just having a bit of fun. I wouldnt be so serious if I were you! :)