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Even though I read this I have serious suspisions about who exactly sponsored this study at Cornell University. Most of the answers to the questions were NOT conclusive. So if you read this do it with a critical eye.
See how they tap-dance around the issues. :yes:Click For SpoilerConsumer Concerns About Hormones in Food
This fact sheet addresses some of the consumer concerns that have been brought to BCERF regarding health effects of hormones used by the meat and dairy industries. Evidence available so far, though not conclusive, does not link hormone residues in meat or milk with any human health effect.
What are hormones?
Hormones are chemicals that are produced naturally in the bodies of all animals, including humans. They are chemical messages released into the blood by hormone-producing organs that travel to and affect different parts of the body. Hormones may be produced in small amounts, but they control important body functions such as growth, development and reproduction.
Hormones can have different chemistry. They can be steroids or proteins. Steroid hormones are active in the body when eaten. For example, birth control pills are steroid hormones and can be taken orally. In contrast, protein hormones are broken down in the stomach, and lose their ability to act in the body when eaten. Therefore, ordinarily, protein hormones need to be injected into the body to have an effect. For example, insulin is a protein hormone. Diabetic patients need to be injected with insulin for treatment.
Why are hormones used in food production?
Certain hormones can make young animals gain weight faster. They help reduce the waiting time and the amount of feed eaten by an animal before slaughter in meat industries. In dairy cows, hormones can be used to increase milk production. Thus, hormones can increase the profitability of the meat and dairy industries.
Why are consumers concerned about hormones in foods?
While a variety of hormones are produced by our bodies and are essential for normal development of healthy tissues, synthetic steroid hormones used as pharmaceutical drugs, have been found to affect cancer risk. For example, diethylstilbestrol (DES), a synthetic estrogen drug used in the 1960s was withdrawn from use after it was found to increase the risk of vaginal cancer in daughters of treated women. Lifetime exposure to natural steroid hormone estrogen is also associated with an increased risk for breast cancer (see BCERF Fact Sheet #9 Estrogen and Breast Cancer Risk: What is the Relationship?). Hence, consumers are concerned about whether they are being exposed to hormones used to treat animals, and whether these hormones affect human health. We try to address this complex issue based on scientific evidence that is currently available.
History of hormone use in food production
As early as the 1930s, it was realized that cows injected with material drawn from bovine (cow) pituitary glands (hormone secreting organ) produced more milk. Later, the bovine growth hormone (bGH) from the pituitary glands was found to be responsible for this effect. However, at that time, technology did not exist to harvest enough of this material for large-scale use in animals. In the 1980s, it became possible to produce large quantities of pure bGH by using recombinant DNA technology. In 1993, the Food and Drug Administration (FDA) approved the recombinant bovine growth hormone (rbGH), also known as bovine somatotropin (rbST) for use in dairy cattle. Recent estimates by the manufacturer of this hormone indicate that 30% of the cows in the United States (US) may be treated with rbGH.
The female sex hormone estrogen was also shown to affect growth rates in cattle and poultry in the 1930s. Once the chemistry of estrogen was understood, it became possible to make the hormone synthetically in large amounts. Synthetic estrogens started being used to increase the size of cattle and chickens in the early 1950s. DES was one of the first synthetic estrogens made and used commercially in the US to fatten chickens. DES was also used as a drug in human medicine. DES was found to cause cancer and its use in food production was phased out in the late 1970s.
What are the different hormones used now by the meat and dairy industries?
There are six different kinds of steroid hormones that are currently approved by FDA for use in food production in the US: estradiol, progesterone, testosterone, zeranol, trenbolone acetate, and melengestrol acetate. Estradiol and progesterone are natural female sex hormones; testosterone is the natural male sex hormone; zeranol, trenbolone acetate and melengesterol acetate are synthetic growth promoters (hormone-like chemicals that can make animals grow faster). Currently, federal regulations allow these hormones to be used on growing cattle and sheep, but not on poultry (chickens, turkeys, ducks) or hogs (pigs). The above hormones are not as useful in increasing weight gain of poultry or hogs.
As mentioned earlier, FDA allows the use of the protein hormone rbGH to increase milk production in dairy cattle. This protein hormone is not used on beef cattle.
How are the hormones introduced into the animals?
Steroid hormones are usually released into the animal from a pellet (ear implant) that is put under the skin of the ear. The ears of the animals are thrown away at slaughter. Improper use of pellet implants in other parts of the animal can result in higher levels of hormone residues to remain in the edible meat. Federal regulations prohibit their use in this manner. Melengestrol acetate is also available in a form that can be added to animal feed.
Dairy cattle may be injected under the skin with rbGH. This hormone is available in packages of single dose injections to reduce chances of accidental overdose.
Do federal agencies monitor for the presence of these hormones in food?
Estradiol, progesterone and testosterone are sex hormones that are made naturally by animals. No regulatory monitoring of these hormones is possible, since it is not possible to separate or tell the difference between the hormones used for treatment from those made by the animal's own body. However, it is possible to detect residues of zeranol and trembolone acetate in the animal's meat. FDA has set the tolerance levels for these hormones. A tolerance is the maximum amount of a particular residue that may be permitted in or on food (see BCERF Fact Sheet #25 on Pesticide Residue Monitoring and Food Safety). The Food Safety Inspection Service (FSIS) of the US Department of Agriculture (USDA) monitors meat from cattle for zeranol residues. FSIS also monitors meats for DES residues from any illegal use (DES use is no longer permitted). In response to concern about cases of early puberty in Puerto Rico described below, a large number of meat samples were tested for hormone residues in the mid- to late 1980s. No zeranol or DES residues were found in the meat samples in this survey.
Do hormones remain in the milk or meat of treated animals?
The levels of naturally produced hormones vary from animal to animal, and a range in these levels is known to be normal. Because it is not possible to differentiate between the hormones produced naturally by the animal and those used to treat the animal, it is difficult to determine exactly how much of the hormone used for treatment remains in the meat or the milk. Studies indicate that if correct treatment and slaughter procedures are followed, the levels of these hormones may be slightly higher in the treated animal's meat or milk, but are still within the normal range of natural variation known to occur in untreated animals. Scientists are currently trying to develop better methods to measure steroid hormone residues left in edible meat from a treated animal.
Can steroid hormones in meat affect the age of puberty for girls?
Early puberty in girls has been found to be associated with a higher risk for breast cancer. Height, weight, diet, exercise, and family history have all been found to influence age of puberty (see BCERF Fact Sheet #8, Childhood Life Events and the Risk of Breast Cancer). Steroid hormones in food were suspected to cause early puberty in girls in some reports. However, exposure to higher than natural levels of steroid hormones through hormone-treated meat or poultry has never been documented. Large epidemiological studies have not been done to see whether or not early puberty in developing girls is associated with having eaten growth hormone-treated foods.
A concern about an increase in cases of girls reaching puberty or menarche early (at age eight or younger) in Puerto Rico, led to an investigation in the early 1980s by the Centers for Disease Control (CDC). Samples of meat and chicken from Puerto Rico were tested for steroid hormone residues. One laboratory found a chicken sample from a local market to have higher than normal level of estrogen. Also, residues of zeranol were reported in the blood of some of the girls who had reached puberty early. However, these results could not be verified by other laboratories. Following CDC's investigation, USDA tested 150 to 200 beef, poultry and milk samples from Puerto Rico in 1985, and found no residues of DES, zeranol or estrogen in these samples.
In another study in Italy, steroid hormone residues in beef and poultry in school meals were suspected as the cause of breast enlargement in very young girls and boys. However, the suspect beef and poultry samples were not available to test for the presence of hormones. Without proof that exposure to higher levels of steroid hormones occurred through food, it is not possible to conclude whether or not eating hormone-treated meat or poultry caused the breast enlargement in these cases.
Can eating meat from hormone-treated animals affect breast cancer risk?
Evidence does not exist to answer this question. The amount of steroid hormone that is eaten through meat of a treated animal is negligible compared to what the human body produces each day. The breast cancer risk of women who eat meat from hormone-treated animals has not been compared with the risk of women who eat meat from untreated animals.
Can drinking milk, or eating dairy products from hormone-treated animals affect breast cancer risk?
Once again, evidence does not exist to answer this question. Use of rbGH for dairy cattle has been in practice in US for only six to seven years. Breast cancer can take many years to develop. It is too early to study the breast cancer risk of women who drink milk and eat milk products from hormone-treated animals.
Can hormones that remain in milk affect human health?
Scientists at FDA's Center for Veterinary Medicine have reviewed the studies submitted by the manufacturers of rbGH. FDA scientists have concluded that eating foods with slightly higher levels of rbGH would not affect human health. This is because the amount of rbGH that is in milk or milk products as a result of treatment of the animals is insignificant compared to the amount of growth hormone that is naturally produced by our bodies. Also, rbGH is a protein hormone and is digested into smaller fragments (peptides and amino acids) when eaten. The rbGH hormone used on dairy cattle is effective in promoting growth in cows, but does not work in humans. Scientists know that rbGH is not recognized as a hormone by human cells.
There are gaps in our knowledge about whether rbGH used to treat dairy cattle can cause indirect effects. These gaps lead to uncertainties and debates, some of which are addressed below.
What do we know about growth factors in milk of treated animals?
The wholesomeness of milk is not affected by rbGH treatment. However, some subtle changes do take place in the treated animal. The growth hormone typically acts by triggering the cells to make other chemicals, called growth factors. These growth factors actually cause the increase in growth rate and milk production. Milk from rbGH-treated cattle has been found to have slightly higher levels of the naturally produced protein called insulin-dependent growth factor-1 (IGF-1). IGF-1 is a protein, and is digested into smaller pieces in the stomach.
Scientists at FDA have considered the evidence from studies of cancer risk in people who have naturally high body levels of IGF-1. Higher levels of IGF-1 in blood have been found in women with breast cancer compared to women without breast cancer in the Harvard-based Nurses' Health Study. Scientists are investigating if IGF-1 is just present at higher levels in breast cancer patients or if it has a role in increasing the risk for the disease. In laboratory studies, breast cancer cells growing on a plastic dish, grow at a faster rate when bathed in a solution containing IGF-1. However, IGF-1 also plays an important role in helping normal cells grow. Hence, from these few studies, we cannot conclude whether or not IGF-1 increases breast cancer risk.
FDA scientists have concluded that IGF-1 in milk is unlikely to present any human food safety concern for the following reasons: 1) IGF-1 levels in cow's milk from untreated animals vary in nature, depending on the number of calves and the lactation stage; 2) IGF-1 is also present in human breast milk, at levels higher than in hormone-treated cow's milk; 3) IGF-1 in milk is not expected to act as a growth factor in people who drink it because it gets digested in the stomach; 4) IGF-1 needs to be injected into the blood to have a growth-promoting effect; and 5) increased IGF-1 levels in food are not expected to result in higher blood levels of IGF-1 in humans who eat the food.
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Read this if your interested:
Click For SpoilerWhat you should know about adrenal fatigue.
by Marcy Holmes, Women's Health Nurse Practitioner, Certified Menopause Clinician
Our patients' most common symptoms are fatigue, insomnia, weight gain, and depression. Does that sound like you? If so, your underlying problem may be adrenal stress.
Every woman who comes to our clinic with these symptoms gets an adrenal test. And the results - over thousands of cases - are remarkably consistent: only 1% have healthy adrenal function, while 99% suffer impaired function, ranging from significant adrenal stress to complete adrenal exhaustion.
The effects of adrenal dysfunction can be profound: fatigue and weakness; suppression of the immune system; muscle and bone loss; moodiness or depression; hormonal imbalance; skin problems; autoimmune disorders; and dozens of other symptoms.
The good news is that adrenal dysfunction can almost always be relieved. Let's look both at the problem and the solution.
The original, life-saving role of the adrenals. Think primitive for a moment. The basic task of your adrenal glands is to rush all your body's resources into "fight or flight". When healthy, your adrenals can instantly increase your heart rate and blood pressure, release your energy stores for immediate use, slow your digestion and other secondary functions, and sharpen your senses.
Let's emphasize two points about this healthy stress response. First, it takes priority over all other metabolic functions. Second, it wasn't designed to last very long.
Now for the life we live today. Unlike our ancestors, we live with constant stress. Instead of occasional demands followed by rest, we're constantly over-worked, under-nourished, exposed to environmental toxins, worrying about others - with no let-up.
Think primitive again: every challenge to the mind and body creates a demand on the adrenal glands. The list of challenges is endless: lack of sleep, a demanding boss, the threat of losing your job, financial pressures, personality conflicts, yo-yo dieting, relationship turmoil, death or illness of a loved one, skipping meals, reliance on stimulants like caffeine and carbs, digestive problems, over-exercise, illness or infection, unresolved emotional issues from our past or present.
The destructive side of cortisol. In its normal function, cortisol helps us meet these challenges by converting proteins into energy, releasing glycogen and counteracting inflammation. For a short time, that's OK. But at sustained high levels, cortisol gradually tears your body down.
Sustained elevated cortisol destroys healthy muscle and bone; slows down healing and normal cell replacement; coopts biochemicals needed to make other vital hormones; impairs digestion, metabolism and mental function; interferes with healthy endocrine function; and weakens your immune system.
Adrenal dysfunction may be a factor in many related conditions, including fibromyalgia, hypothyroidism, chronic fatigue syndrome, arthritis, premature menopause and others. It may also produce a host of other unpleasant symptoms, from acne to hair loss.
Why adrenal dysfunction is seldom detected. Conventional medicine is truly wonderful at treating disease-state conditions. Unfortunately its focus on drugs also tends to suppress early-stage symptoms rather than treat their underlying causes. This can have the effect of delaying treatment until a disease state has developed.
In the conventional standard of care, any cortisol level within a very broad range is considered normal, and anything outside that range indicates disease. In our practice, we measure cortisol at several points in the day to track the adrenals' day-night pattern (called the "diurnal rhythm") using a panel of simple saliva tests. We hope to see cortisol elevated in the morning to help you get going, lower but steady throughout the day to sustain energy, then fall in the evening to support restful sleep.
In the early stages of adrenal stress, cortisol levels will be too high during the day and continue rising in the evening. This is called "hyperadrenia". In the middle stages, cortisol may rise and fall unevenly as the body struggles to balance itself despite the disruptions of caffeine, carbs and other factors, but levels are not normal and are typically too high at night. In advanced stages, when the adrenals are exhausted from overwork, cortisol will never reach normal levels ("hypoadrenia").
Conventional medicine will detect only the extremes of these conditions, when damage to the adrenals has already occurred (Cushings Disease or Addisons Disease). Within those extremes, you can feel miserable and still be told your adrenals are normal. But by responding to early-stage symptoms, we can reverse the developing dysfunction.
Do you remember how you deserve to feel? In general, if you feel happy and well, have steady energy and emotions, sleep soundly 7-9 hours a night, wake up feeling rested, recover well from stress, and maintain a healthy weight without dieting, then your adrenals are probably doing well.
On the other hand, if your energy lags during the day, you feel emotionally unbalanced much of the time, you sleep poorly or less than 7 hours a night, can't lose excess weight even while dieting, use caffeine or carbohydrates as pick-me-ups — these are all red flags indicating adrenal dysfunction.
In most cases you can restore healthy adrenal function. The first step is to have a full physical to rule out disease or other factors. In our experience, women with mild to moderate cases of adrenal fatigue can see significant improvement through these steps:
Dietary changes to enrich your nutrition and reduce carbohydrates and stimulants. We also recommend the addition of high-quality nutritional supplements, including essential fatty acids from fish oil.
Stress reduction, including moderate exercise and taking more time for yourself. (It's helpful to make a list of your stressors, especially those that are constant.)
Get more rest. Your body needs time to heal.
Women with more severe symptoms, or who have reached complete adrenal exhaustion, usually need greater intervention. At our practice we use the steps outlined above with the added natural support of phosphorylated serines, low-dose compounded DHEA, ginseng and glycerated licorice. We personalize the therapy to each woman's symptoms and test results. (We urge you not to self-prescribe these substances, as they can have adverse health effects. Instead, find a practitioner who will guide you. See Next Steps, below.)
It's important to emphasize the role of emotional factors. Guilt, pain from past hurts, self-destructive habits, unresolved relationship problems — your past and present emotional experience may serve as an ever-present stressor. Dealing with these problems directly is much more beneficial than trying to compensate for the stress they create, in the same way that "an ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure".
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Endocrine System
Functions:
The Endocrine system helps to regulate the body’s activities. It consists of a number of glands, which produce groups of chemical messages, called hormones. Hormones are released into the bloodstream, and are carried around the body, until they reach their destination.
Major parts and organs:
"The major organs of the endocrine system are the pituitary gland, the hypothalamus gland, the thyroid gland, the parathyroid glands, the adrenal glands, the pancreas gland, the teste glands(male), and the ovaries (female). The two most important glands are the pituitary and hypothalamus glands. These glands interact with the brain, the body, and each other. One of their vital functions is to control how many hormones other glands release."
"The thyroid gland is one of the main hormone- producing glands. It is found in the neck, below the larynx and consists of two lobes joined together. The parathyroid glands consist of four oval-shaped structures embedded in the thyroid gland. The adrenal glands are small hormonal glands that lie on top of the kidney. The outer part of the gland produces three hormones. The first hormone is to control the balance of minerals in your blood. The second hormone is steroids to regulate your metabolism. The third hormone is sex hormones for reproduction."
The inner part of the gland produces adrenaline. The pancreas is situated in your upper abdomen, just behind the stomach. It produces juices to aid digestion, and release insulin and gulcagon into the upper blood. The testes(male) are two glands which hang just outside the abdomen inside the scrotal sac. These glands produce a hormone called testosterone. These sex hormones control the development of the male reproductive organ, and the appearance of male characteristics at puberty. The ovaries(female) are two glands that are on either side of the uterus. These glands produce two female sex hormones, called estrogen and progesterone. These sex hormones control the development of the female reproductive organs, and the appearance of female characteristics at puberty.
Interactions with other systems:
The Endocrine system interacts with the Circulatory and Reproductive systems. The blood in the Circulatory system receives chemical messages, called hormones, that are released from your hormonal glands. Hormones travel in the bloodstream to wherever they are needed in the body. In the Reproductive system, the female menstrual cycle is stimulated by hormones released by the brain and reproductive organs. Also, male sexual characteristics are also produced by hormones released by the brain and reproductive organs.
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Here's just an example of what I'm talking about. This is just a tiny list compared to the entire list. I just started looking:
Dangerous Medications
Viagra: drug for erectile dysfunction has caused 522 deaths as well as increased risk of heart attack, heart rhythm abnormalities, congestive heart failure, strokes, sudden low blood pressure and fainting.
Accutane: an acne drug that causes suicidal thoughts, suicide attempts, suicides, severe birth defects, and miscarriage. It has also caused fatal pancreatitis and hepatitis.
Calcium channel blockers: blood pressure medication increases risk of stroke and heart attack
Celebrex: arthritis drug may lead to severe bleeding episodes
Depakote, Depacon, and Depakene - drug used for epilepsy, manic episodes in manic depression and as a migraine preventative.
Halcion: sleeping pill is highly addictive and commonly causes insomnia if used for more than 10 days
Hismanal: nondrowsy antihistamine causes abnormal heart rhythms, heart attack, death.
Immune Globulin Intravenous (IGIV): may cause severe kidney damage or kidney failure
Lamictal: an antiepileptic drug linked to a potentially fatal rash.
Lamisil: drug used for fingernail and/or toenail fungus may result in liver failure, some of these cases leading to death or liver transplant.
Lovanox (low molecular weight heparin): - blood thinner can cause long term and/or permanent paralysis
Mellaril: drug used for schizophrenia has been associated with heart rhythm abnormalities and sudden death.
Premarin: menopause medication increases risk of blood clots, stroke, gallbladder disease and has many other severe side effects.
*"Prempro (conjugated estrogens/ medroxyprogesterone tablets) and Premphase (conjugated estrogens/ medroxyprogesterone tablets) used to treat menopausal symptoms and as a preventative for osteoporosis. May cause many serious side effects."
Propulsid: a drug used for GERD and gastroparesis (delayed emptying of the stomach usually found in diabetics), caused severe heart rhythm abnormalities. It is still available but its use is restricted.
Ritodrine: anti-miscarriage drug ineffective and dangerous
Serentil: drug used for schizophrenia may cause serious heart rhythm abnormalities and sudden death.
Tasmar (tolcapone): a drug used for Parkinson's disease can cause acute liver failure.
Topamax: anti-epilepsy drug may cause serious eye damage and/or blindness
Trovan: an antibiotic that can lead to liver dysfunction &/or liver failure. Its use is restricted.
Zyvox: an antibiotic which can cause the cessation of the body's ability to make blood (myelosuppression) - a life-threatening condition.
Duract, pain reliever: withdrawn June 1998 Linked to 4 deaths and 8 liver transplants.
*We all already KNOW about this one: "Fenfluramine and Dexfenfluramine (Fen-Phen), appetite Suppressants: withdrawn September 1997 when studies found heart valve abnormalities occurred in 31% of patients tested."
Phenylpropanolamine: ingredient used in many cough and cold medications and over the counter weight loss medications increased risk of hemorrhagic stroke.
Posicor, blood pressure-lowering medication, banned June 1998. Risks include life-threatening interactions with at least 26 other medications.
Seldane, antihistamine, withdrawn March 1998. It caused rare but serious heart problems when taken with other drugs, mainly the macrolide class of antibiotics (such as erythromycin).
Rezulin: drug for diabetes caused severe liver damage and death.
Midazolam: within this medication, a dangerous drug precipitation with saccharin may cause serious adverse effects and/or death.
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Female hormones are produced in other parts of the body. If a woman is afraid that losing the primary ones will make them less feminine, that's not entirely true. Let me research this a little and come back. O.K.? If THAT is one of your concerns let me see what I can show you. I'm still NOT in favour of surgery. But if you think someday you will do it, well, that's totally YOUR decision. I'll support you whatever you decide is best for you.
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"Nobody's going to tell ME I can't smoke a Turkey. Ha! I'll show them." *cough*
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OK, I'm choosing the winners. A three way tie, just couldn't decide. Unicorn Hunter, Fenriz and Lt Van Roy. :huh:
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After Sunday service had ended Abe told the men it was time to get back to work on the new barn. There was still a lot to do. So they went outside and Abe started them tar-papering and shingling the roof. Aaron and ILikeSeven were eager to get on this job. Little Sabe just stood down below and watched his Dad climb up on the roof. He kept yelling something to him in Dutch that no one else could understand.
Abe and Able and Bart went around back of the old barn to take care of the slaughtering of the huge pig. The pitiful screams from the pig scared little Sabe and he ran in the house to his mother. Cain stayed with Aaron and ILikeSeven and kept sending up what they needed with the pulley.
The screaching and wailing of the doomed animal stopped, it was dead. :kwasny: And in a few hours the meat would be in the pot or in the oven for their dinner.
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Abe came down next follwed by the girls then Aaron. They all sat at the table and Becka put a large breadboard on the tale then the large pot of steaming hot cereal. The bowls of fruit and pitchers of milk and cream. They began serving themselves and eating. Then the boys came down followed by ILikeSeven, Chrissy and Sabe and Mel. They joined everyone at the table as well and ate their breakfast. Abe began to speak and everyone stopped talking. "ILikeseven and your family are welcome to join us in the parlor after breakfast for our Sunday Service if you like. It's up to you but you are welcome to join us. ILikeSeven answered. "We'd be glad to join you all, thank you."
After breakfast everyone went into the parlor. The bibles were passed out and every sat quietly while Abe officiated. They sang hymns and read alod from the bible in turn. They closed the service with another hymn and a prayer of thanks.
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The next morning everyone slept longer than usual. Becka was up first followed by Lida. They started breakfast. "How about we make some hot cereal with fruit?" Lida asked Becka. "Sounds like a good idea, it's starting to get really cold these mornings. The girls will be up soon and they need to go right out to the barn and get to the milking. Those cows are overdue right now as are the goats, and we have to slaughter a pig today, Abe and I talked about this last night just before we went to sleep." Lida looked at her in horror
"Sorry Becka but I can't be there, it would kill me to see that. I know we have to eat but I just can't and I think Aaron may have a problem with this too." She told her. Becka answered. "I didn't mean YOU had to do it, I'm just telling you. Abe and the boys will take care of it. I can't watch either. Abe will do it then do most of the gutting and carving outside in back of the barn, ok?" Lida breathed a sigh of relief then started making the cereal. Becka went down to the cellar to get the jars of fruit, peaches and blueberries. -
Becka came back down to the kitchen and sat at the table. " Boys, I have to tell you something. After you left this morning I got to thinking about where our house guests should sleep. I thought about the size of the rooms and decided that they would do best in Your room." The was a silence then Able said. "That's alright with me Mother. So which room did you put us in?" He asked. "The room right next to me and your father." She told them. They weren't happy about that knowing their late night rough-housing had come to a screaching halt. Becka had the hearing of a wild animal on a hunt.
"So you understand then? You realize there are 4 of them and only 3 of you, it was the logical choice." They agreed. "O.K., up to bed everyone, it's late and it's been a long day. They went upstairs as did the girls. Becka did some last minute tidying up around the kitchen then her and Abe went to their room followed by Lida and Aaron to theirs. -
Exactly, Angel. :yes: I agree with what you just said. You can't take chances with your health. This is all I'm saying. But too many people take drugs that hurt them. I wish that your Mum was still here for you, I truely do. This wasn't aimed at you or your situation, honest, it wasn't.
I'm talking about the topic here that U.H. brought up. Alot of people are sold a "Bill of Goods", I'm just NOT buying it.
How many times have you heard a drug was approved by the F.D.A. then a few years later there are reports of all sorts of terrible things that people have suffered because of that very drug and the drug is then recalled and all sorts of class action lawsuits follow? Then the truth comes out with all the horror stories?
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Thanks, and I'm glad you like it so far, but I'm sorry, no. The story has already been written by my friend, and I'm posting it here for her.Oh, I'm sort of new here, and I'm wondering...what's an RPG?
I do have some ideas of my own that I might here though, and invite other writers to help with.
An RPG is a Role Playing Game. Sort of like a Sim, Simulation. But I have Simmed and when you do it in a thread this way it's not a True Sim, it's more like 'Group Writing' or 'Team Writing' or just plain StoryTelling. I am looking for people also to write in a story I have in mind. PM me and we can talk about your ideas and mine. You just have to click on PM at the bottom of this post. A PM is a Personal Message.
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Chrissy insisted on helping to clean up the kitchen. "No, no, no, your tired, you must go to your room. I have it all ready for you. It's on the third floor and it's the biggest of all the bedrooms. I moved the boys out of it today and put them on the second floor, next to our bedroom. Your room has two very large beds. Plenty of room for all four of you. Now, let me show you your room. Come on now." Becka said as she motioned to ILikeSeven and their two little ones.
They all climbed the stairs to the third floor and Becka opened the door to the bedroom. Chrissy and ILikeseven stood there, their eyes began to well up with tears. "Looks like our bedroom back in Holland, only bigger." Chrissy said. "Aye, yes it does." Said ILS. The children ran and jumped on one of the beds, layed down and fell asleep. ILS and Chrissy said good night to Becka, thanked her and closed the door.
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Is this an RPG? Are you inviting other writiers to join in your story? :angry: It sounds like a very interesting story.
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ILikeSeven pushed his chair back and said. "Please excuse me for one moment, I need to get something from the truck." He walked out the backdoor then returned a few moments later carrying a large suitcase under one arm and holding one by it's handle. Under the other arm he carried the case of Kool-Aid. :koolaid: "Becka, may I mix this up for the children?" He asked. "No, you sit and finish your dinner, I'll do it." Becka answered. Becka got up and took the case from him and went to the sink. She pulled out two large glass pitchers from a corner cupboard and began to pump the handle on the sink and filling them. "Any particular flavour?" She asked. "STRAWBERRY!" :koolaid: Melanie answered in a very loud voice. Everyone laughed. Becka brought more glasses to the table and poured out the first glass for her. :koolaid: She drank it down in what seemed to be one long gulp. "More Please." She said as she held out her empty glass towards Becka. She filled it again for her. :koolaid:
Abe, Aaron and the boys ate quickly, they were very tired and hungry. They caught up with everyone and were now on their second helpings. " Dis will be an early night for us all, I'm sure." He said as he drank down his Kool-aid, followed closely by his milk.
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The sun was low in the sky when the caravan of trucks pulled onto the dirt road that lead to the house. A cloud of dust engulfed them as they pulled into the yard and made a circle. Becka, Addie, Beth, Calli, Bart and Cain came running out the backdoor to meet their new house guests. Abe hugged Becka and Aaron and Lida hugged each other as well. Everyone was exhausted but had to help to get the sheep into the barn and off the trucks for the night. Lida introduced everyone as Aaron and Abe and the boys began unloading the sheep. "Come in the house now and have some supper, it's all ready." Becka yelled over the commotion. Abe answered. 'We'll, be in as soon as we're done here, the rest of you just go inside."
ILikeSeven and 'The Mrs', Chrissy, stood at the kitchen sink and washed up. Then they washed Sabe and Mel's faces and hands then they all sat down at the table. Becka and the girls had been cooking all day. They made two large turkeys in the oven, stuffing and all. She had made a large pot of cranberry sauce, sweet potatoes and red potatos, peas and corn. She had also made two large chocolate cakes for dessert. Becka began to carve the first turkey since Abe wasn't inside yet. They began pouring pitchers of milk into the glasses as they watched her carve. Then she passed the loaded down platter to ILikeSeven. Everyone began their Welcome feast. They were about to start on their second servings when Aaron, Abe and the boys came in and washed up and sat down at the table.
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A case of Kool-aid sat on Melanie's lap. She bagan picking though them to find her favorite. She ripped open an envolpe and poured it into her mouth. Then she screamed. :huh: Then began to cry. "Papa, this isn't the kind we had back home, this taste terrible!" She told him. "Sweetie, you have to add the sugar, that's why it tastes bad now. You'll have to wait til we get to Eden, then we will fix it up right for you, O.K.?" He told her. She spit it out all over ILikeSeven's shirt. 'Alright, I can wait." She said through her tears.
Back on Route 80, heading East now, the 5 trucks followed each other closely. Abe in the lead, then Aaron, then Lida, then Abbie, and last Able. IlikeSeven was in the truck with Lida and Melanie. Mrs. ILikeSeven was in the truck with Aaron and Sabe. Trucks were full of gas so there was no need to stop unless someONE needed to. :angry: The sheep were bleeting loudly, probably thirsty now since they hadn't had any water since they got off the barge. Just a few more hours and they'd be in their new barn.
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As ILikeSeven piled his suitcases and boxes onto the back of one of the trucks he stopped for a second and turned to Lida and said. "So, Lida, you got plenty Kool-Aid? :o
Lida laughed. "No, but we can get some on the way back, there are plenty of stores along the way. Not to worry, my friend. You've got as much Kool-Aid here as you could drink in a lifetime." Lida told him. Just then Melanie walked up to her father and tugged on his shirt. He bent over and she whispered something in his ear. Then he laughed. "Yes, there is Kool-Aid here". He told her.She loved strawberry and hadn't had any in months, not since the last shipment. :angry: Abe began unloading the sheep. He layed down the planks and lined them up and pushed them together, from the barge across to the pier. Everyone had to help with this since if a sheep fell off the planks, it would drown. Everyone lined the sides to make a human fence of sorts. Abe directed them through the open gate at the railing and they streamed over the plank and onto the pier then up the ramp into one of the waiting trucks. Abe had loaded the back of each truck bed with a mixture of hay, and grains at least a foot deep, feed he had for the animals in the barns. They eagerly started to eat as soon as they got up there. Now trucks loaded, after a good 2 hours, all the gates closed, they all got into the trucks and started their trip back to Eden. Not forgetting they needed to stop for Kool-Aid :huh:
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After gassing up the trucks and looting the gas station of anything edible they headed towards the Lake Michigan shoreline and the Port of Michiana. The five trucks, now parked on a large pier, all facing North, waited to catch the first sight of their friends from Holland. :angry:
When off in the distance the sails could be seen first, the faint sound of it's engine got louder and louder until they could see the sails drop and they pulled up next to the pier. A tall, thin man threw the lines across to them and they secured them to the pier. "Helloooo!" Was said over and over by everyone. ILikeSeven laid the plank between the pier and the railing and walked over to Lida and gave her a big hug. :huh: "Finally we meet." He said to her then kissed her on the cheek. Then he walked over to Aaron and did the same. They slapped each other on the back as they hugged, no kisses.
"and this is my wife, Mrs. ILikeSeven." He said. As she came up behind them. Holding the hands of two darling little children, a boy and a girl. Lida picked up the little boy and said. "You must be Sabe, no? I've heard so much about you, and how's that foot doing?" She asked him. Melanie, his sister spoke up. "It's all better now." She told Lida. Much greetings were exchanged and everyone got a tour of the ship as they unloaded their belongings. "Got anything to eat?" ILikeSeven asked. Their last few days on-board they were nearly out of food. "Sure, in the truck, I'll show you. They all stood around the basket and ate quickly since they wanted to get the sheep unloaded and on the trucks and head back to Eden. -
Aaron pulled off the highway at South Bend. There was a 'Big C' lumber yard there and that's where they could pick up 3 more trucks. They located the yard and the trucks without any problems. Then after Abe, Able, and Lida were behind their wheels they headed out to the nearest gas station since they all needed to fill up now.
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Abe and Arron we in the lead. They headed for the interstate that would take them most of the way, they headed East. After driving for about 3 hours they decided to stop for lunch and pulled over into a rest area, Lida pulled in behind them and got out of the truck as they did. "How about a little picnic here? There's a table?" She said to Aaron. Able and Abbie grabbed the baskets out of the truck and placed them on the table under a clump of trees in the shade. As they ate, Abe spread out a map on the table and showed everyone the rest of their route. They ate then relieved themselves in the Public rest rooms there then got back on the Highway.
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