Big_Steve

I voted for the NFL, since my favorite sport, pro basketball (NBA) wasn't even listed. Anyway, GO COLTS! GO PACERS!

By today's standards the effects are cheesy and the style is campy but I like cheesy and campy! <_< You want to see real cheese and camp look at the old Flash Gordon or Buck Rogers serials with Buster Crabb. Now that's cheesy!! But they were/are SO cool!!! I love them.

Ktrek

And old B sci-fi movies! No better family activity on a cold winter's night than curling up on the couch with a big bag of popcorn and a couple B sci-fi movies!

It's all good... <_< The special effects may be out dated but TOS ability to capture the human spirit, mold it, and spit it out improved was remarkable. I love Enterprise and I don't mean to dog on it but there are episodes of TOS and TNG that have changed my way of thinking.

Ding! Ding! Ding! Ding! Ding! You nailed it.

And I think some of the social commentary is still very relevant even today, which is why so many still appreciate the show.

The special effects, though "cheesey" by today's standards, were good for the time. Star Trek was the first all-color TV show. I loved the surrealistic backdrops and sets, the pink and purple lighting gels, et al. TOS made you use your imagination.

Cool VBG, all dressed up. The thing that stands out to me are the hats ... I like Kirk's the best

Captain James T. Kirk! Kirk was the prototype. I want no other than Kirk in command ... especially if the situation is desperate!

Just forget what you know and pretend you're a newbie, this is your first series.

Sorry Alterego, having been raised on TOS I just can't do that, but I did like this episode of Enterprise.

 

I will be infuriated, however, if they erase TOS legacy later in this series ... and that is an understatement!

They would never be able to erase TOS's legacy, even if they completely changed the timeline the Legacy will continue.

 

As for the timeline, I believe that everything what's happening now though will completely fit into the timeline when all is said and done.

You're right VBG, a great many fans of the earlier series would be very upset if tptb changed history, it would be unwise for them to do that, but if they did I think it would have an affect on TOS (or TNG, DS9, VOY) legacy ... what would it all have been, a dream? Captain Kirk was just a comic book hero of the times, not a real part of Trek history?

But that's ok, I'll shut up about TOS now and let everyone have their series ... I had mine, even though it was incomplete.

OK, I goofed, I voted before reading any post. I always do that in order to keep from being influenced by other posters.

I based my vote on all trek episodes of all series. If I had known, and cast my vote solely on Enterprise, I would have give it a 7, that's because this episode was the best so far, and I'm reserving higher numbers for what's to come ...

Just forget what you know and pretend you're a newbie, this is your first series.

Sorry Alterego, having been raised on TOS I just can't do that, but I did like this episode of Enterprise.

I will be infuriated, however, if they erase TOS legacy later in this series ... and that is an understatement!

Thanks Bysty, your banner is awsome too! I added my credit, thanks VBG you might have to refresh the thread or image.

"sycophants"  Assuming you have a wife or girlfriend, do you only have attraction to her for one "part" of her? Are all of her parts "perfect" and would you have her change or eliminate parts, which are not?

 

There have been Trek splinter groups forming since the first episode, Favorite characters. Then favorite episode types, then favorite season types etc. Then the movies started and some Trekkers accepted the new vision and stuck with Trek while others remained hard-core for the "uncorrupted" OS. Same with every different film and series from then on.

OK, I apologize for that, but we are talking about a vehicle of entertainment, not my wife! LOL.

I acknowledge the fact that there are various spin-offs which have their own followings and loyalties but I don't care for the story arching and timeline manipulation brought upon us by TNG because it will give them the oportunity to go back and change all the accomplishments of the original ... not good.

I grew up on TOS so Captain Kirk was a childhood superhero to me and I don't want any spin-off to come along and make him seem any less than what he is, or what he has accomplished. To this day I will not watch "Generations", what an absurd and unglorious way for one of the greatest of all childhood heros to die ... I will never forgive paramount for that!

I did notice that TOS had quite a number of episodes where the crew encounter superhuman or magical beings,as in the "Squire of Gothos","Catspaw",and "Who Mourns for Adonis".

I'm not really a fan of those type of shows,and would have preferred more Klingon shows,or even a few shows taking place on Earth at Starfleet Command HQ or something (I know they were on a 5-year exploration mission,but they traveled to Vulcan in "Amok Time",and Vulcan is very close to Earth).

Interesting, I would venture to guess that you are more a fan of TNG?

Space exploration is what TOS was all about ... to seek out strange new life and civilazations, to boldly go where no man has gone before!

The superbeing episodes were my favorites, the stories were great and the messages deeper.

In "Who Mourns For Adonis" Apollo was not more powerful than the Enterprise, this was the message of the story, that we had out-grown and become more powerful than the old gods we used to worship ... a mighty statement.

Not an official entry yet, just playing around, I have to make a few more first ... take if you like:

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Fun but a lot of information to squeeze into such a small space :lol:

Steve

Spoiler box added. AE.

What's wrong with the cerebral TCW story arc?  I prefer intelligent over simplicity when it comes to stories.  I'm not saying simple stories are bad, I just prefer the ones that make you think a lot.

Well I didn't really say there was anything wrong with it, it makes for great stand alone episodes, but I certainly wouldn't have made it an essential part of the show as tptb have.

What is the question here? I don't think Star Trek (the phenom) needs saving, however, if we are talking about keeping a series on television the only way to do that is to attract new viewers, or maybe even more importantly, attract former viewers back to the show.

I think there are at least three camps here and each will have their own (and some strong) opinions as to which direction the show should take.

Camp 1: TOS diehards (such as myself :lol: ) who will never be satisfied until the show returns to the TOS era and or revive's Gene's original concept for the show. Let's return to and finish the 5 year mission with another crew and ship! I believe Walter Koenig also champions this idea ... let's do it! Sulu (George Takei) can be captain, and I'd bet he'd do it too :lol: If paramount did this, do you think it would attract new and old viewers alike and generate ratings?

Camp 2: TNG, this camp is primarily younger and cut their teeth on TNG and later, not TOS, which to them is basically (though given props as the original) a primitive, old tv show. I can't comment on the direction they would take the show.

Camp 3: Trek sycophants, this group will eat whatever trek paramount throws at them ... and they don't care!

I know there are other camps to which others may belong.

Is there a trek generation gap (TOS and TNG)?

I voted no. Star Trek has become a phenom of the 20th century and will never die. However, I don't like the direction tptb have taken the show.

I basically stopped watching the show after the motion picture Star Trek VI:The Undiscovered Country. I realize that a lot of people loved TNG, but as a TOS fan (and believe me, I watched TOS on NBC in prime time ... yes, I'm that old, LOL) I didn't care much for TNG and in my opinion it only got worse with Voyager and Enterprise.

IMHO, star trek needs to start moving back to the romaticisim and delightful simplicity of TOS (no cerebral TCW time line manipulation BS)... if they want to attract new television viewers that is, or Enterprise may be our last installment ... just my opinion.

Thanks VBG, I'm not a graphic artist by any streach of the imagination, but I do like to play one in my dreams, lol. I have some nice graphics programs so I might give it a try ... :lol:

Sounds cool VaBeachGuy, just a couple questions:

1. How do we "submit" our banners?

2. Do the banners have to be gif or jpg files or can we get a little fancy with flash? :lol:

Thanks!

as a person of japanese ancestry, i can tell u first hand the sorrow i feel when i think how my grandfather and family perished in hiroshima when the atomic bomb was dropped...

 

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their flesh was incinerated to a blackened crisp slipping off their bones all the while their nerve endings seared in unbearable pain as every tissue on their body slipped off their body leaving them a pool of blackened steaming blood...

 

 

 

yet, here we are 50 years later, and children are still feeling the effects of radiation poisining...not only is my grandfather anemic, but children today are born with unusually high levels of birth defects due to radiation caused mutations in their parents and grandparents reproductive organs...

 

despite the fact that american lives were saved, if i have learned anything in my life, i know that there is always another solution to a problem...yes, millions were saved on both sides, but at what cost??? children born today should not have to bear the brunt of the decisions that our grandfathers and great grandfathers made 50 years back... yes as a us born citizen, as was my father and grandfather were as well, i have a deep love for our america, but i still firmly believe that in the case of the atomic bomb, the ends DID NOT justify the means...

You fail to mention the fact that Japanese forces were engaged in the hideous act of using chemical and biological weaponds in China. They infected the chinese people with anthrax and used deadly nerve gas on them as an experiment in an even larger plan to use these hideous weapons of mass destruction on the people of the west coast of the United States ... and the very fact that they did it to the chinese is proof they would have indeed used it on the US.

There are many in china that also still suffer from the effects of these bio and chem attacks.

The US was neutral in that war ... didn't even militarily come to the aid of her greatest ally untill japan attacked pearl harbor.

I would like to know more about the Star Trek series that William Shatner pitched to paramount ... any one hear of it?

Well I guess it is considered the first inter-racial kiss on network television, but William Shatner claims that it wasn't really a kiss and if you watch the episode (Plato's Stepchildren) you will see that their mouths come very close together and it's hard to tell if they actually touch but it certainly isn't a "kiss" in the conventional sense.

The problem with meeting godlike figures frequently is that, 'realistically', that would end the show by killing the crew easily.  The only way around this is to have entities like Q, all-powerful but not about destroying the crew so much as about challenging people's perceptions and ideas.  ("Encounter at Farpoint" notwithstanding.)

I agree. Having the "super beings" appear on a regular basis would cause people to begin questioning the feasibility of the series. It would not make sense for the crew to consistently out do a foe that was on an extremely advanced ship, people would stop being able to accept it fairly quickly.

Not at all, unlike TNG's "Borg" the Enterprise of TOS was rarely if ever in direct conflict with these god-like super biengs, which were usually mediators in lesser conflicts with "beings our own size" such as the Klingons and Gorn.

These super beings were usually, and thankfully, non-combatant and peace loving beings ... Orgainians, Metrons, etc. who put us in our place by showing us just how primative we were, however, there were episodes where the tables were turned and we proved to the super beings that we were not all that primative after all, and taught them a thing or two about compassion and love .... "The Cage" and "The Empath" are excellent examples.

Love and compassion IS OUR STRENGTH people of Earth, please don't ever forget it or abandon it, as it would certainly be our downfall.

Wisdom:

 

"Let he who is without sin cast the first stone"

What does that have to do with violating copyright laws?

Did you get permission from paramount to use that image or "likeness" of Jean-Luc Picard in your avatar? If not, and I'm assuming you haven't, then you have stolen intellectual property. BTW, let us see evidence before you try to claim you have. I'm not casting stones or making any waves.

"Devil" is probably the better story but for me it's a very dark and depressing episode. Bill Shatner lost his father durring filming and it shows, one may think it was just great acting ... and it was, but knowing the reason behind it makes it depressing.

"Dagger" was a very good episode and tho it didn't contain the riviting "meld" with the Horta, it was the episode that gave birth to the Vulcan mind-meld.

Wisdom:

"Let he who is without sin cast the first stone"

Tptb have with ENT, created the Ultimate prequel/squeal story! 

 

It's a prequel in the sense it happens before TOS but it is a sequel in the sense that faction(s) from the future (after VOY) are trying to gain power in their time by using their ability to communicate back in time to the era of ENT.

 

Why would they do that?

 

I believe they are attempting to manipulate known history thereby causing changes to the timeline so they, (factions of the future) will be victorious over other factions of that time. The name for this attempted manipulation of the past is the Temporal Cold War or TCW.

 

Keeping the timeline, as we know it to have happened is the goal we are fighting the TCW for.

 

If Archer wins, all History as we know it, will occur as it did before and all is well BUT! If the faction in the Future wins and the timeline as we knew it is erased, there is gonna be some ticked off fans!    (Not me though, I would not be ticked at all. If changing the time line is a realistic consequence of losing the TCW then it is only logical to accept the change and move on but I think we will win the war ;-)

 

Check out this thread for more ideas and opinions about the TCW.

I know I'm in the minority here but I don't care for the TCW time line manipulation idea. I know there is nothing I can do about it, it's just personal preference ... I don't care for it. I agree with commander bolivar in that it makes for great stand alone episodes but not overkill.

I know the NBC brass was ridiculous in claiming that "The Cage" was too cerebral, but we can almost make a case for it with ENT and TCW. I'm not unintelligent, but when I watch a television show I want to be entertained, not given a headache trying to figure it all out ... just my opinion.

IMHO, Enterprise should have began with the romulan war and proceeded from there, or at a time immediately before captain kirk and TOS, making a nice "bridge" to TOS.

First, I'm new to ENT, can I find a pre-requesite for this star trek entry? I've been to startrek.com and have had no luck. I know this series apparently attemps to show the beginnings of the UFP and takes place before TOS ... sounds cool, but I really need to know what's happening with this series.

If this series is a prequel to TOS, are there many references to things that are established in TOS? Some examples:

In TOS:

The SS Valiant was sent to the edge of the galaxy with disastorus results. (ref. Where No Man Has Gone Before)

The society on Sigma Iotia II was contaminated by the U.S.S. Horizon ... a hundred years before TOS, putting it right in the time frame of ENT. (ref. A Piece Of The Action)

There are many other things dating back to ENT's time, including the great Romulan War (ref. Balance Of Terror) The Romulan War would make a great motion picture by the way

In Ent we have the Xindi, who the heck are they? they seem to be such a pain in the butt in ENT to never have been mentioned in TOS. What gives with that?