Big_Steve

We also learn which ancestor married the human in "Journey to Babel" which turned out, of course, to be Spock's own father, Ambassador Sarek.

We learn that Spock's father married an earth woman and that this earth woman is Spock's mother in "The Corbomite Maneuver". We get to see them all together in "Journey To Babel".

Which One Was It Where Spock Broke Down Crying?

"The Naked Time" and "Plato's Stepchildren", but these emotions were brought on by outside forces. The Platonians made him laugh and cry, but he genuinely felt anger and hatred toward them.

Was it my imagination or did Spock smile during the chess game?

Yep, he did smile during the chess game. I'm sure you noticed the look of the character was quite different as well...the eyebrows were much more pronounced than in later episodes. He blamed his show of emotion on the fact that "one of his ancestors had mated with a Terran." The characters were still being developed during these early shows, and the unemotional, reigned in Spock came about during "The Corbomite Maneuver," where he utters his now famous catch phrase, "fascinating" for the first time. We also learn which ancestor married the human in "Journey to Babel" which turned out, of course, to be Spock's own father, Ambassador Sarek.

Spock felt genuine emotion in the following episodes:

The Menagerie 1&2 (compassion)

The Galileo Seven (desperation, stubborness)

Amok Time (sorrow, joy)

Journey To Babel (sadness, feelings hurt)

The Immunity Syndrome (sorrow)

For The World Is Hollow And I Have Touched The Sky (loving concern for McCoy)

Plato's Stepchildren (anger, hate)

The Empath (friendship)

Requiem For Methuselah (loving concern for Kirk)

There are many other examples, like I said, Spock displayed little snippets of emotion through-out the entire series, these are just a few good examples I recommend watching. I purposely left off episodes like, The Naked Time, This Side Of Paradise, etc, because these emotions were brought on by outside forces.

I agree with Data, I think they wanted Pike and Vanna (was that her name?) to fall in love. Their database on humanity was somewhat limited but I believe they wanted the environment to be completely natural so Pike would want to stay.

You're thinking of The Cloud Minders VBG, the girl in The Cage was called, and I'm not sure of the spelling but it was pronounced, Veena.

 

The female android Kirk fell in love with in "The Cloud Minders" was Rayna.

I believe that the android Rayna that Kirk fell in love with was in the episode 'Requiem for Methuselah'..There was no android in 'The Cloud Minders'..

That's right Spacetigger.

Mrskirk, Vanna was the leader of the troglyte disrupters in "The Cloud Minders".

Spock displayed little snippets of emotion throughout the entire series. He was half human and Nimoy let that half come through occationally in his portrayal of Spock, in fact, he couldn't have made the character believable without them. Spock was a very human character.

As far as the god thing, I think we are to assume they are refering to them as small (g) gods, not the all mighty supreme being type of God.

Well, no one wants to know how I feel about it, and one only needs to visit the TOS forum at trekbbs to gain an understanding as to what would make me happy ... this does not.

Berman and the entire production staff should be let go in favor of people who understand what made the original so brilliant. Hiring real science fiction writers would be a good start.

Hmm...My Star Trek Encyclopedia Only Has Jeffrey Hunter Listed As Playing Pike.  So Was The Injured Pike A "Dummy"?

No dummy, Sean Kenney played the injured Pike.

I've not won any type of contest since grade school 30 years ago, this is indeed an honor. Thank you

I agree with you Big_Steve.  The episodes I have seen lately are butchered beyond recognition.  They do not resemble the episodes that were first aired on the SciFi Channel.  They have cut them up to the point that they don't  flow together anymore.  It is a shame that they had to butcher a classic like that.

All Our Yesterday's was on SciFi a couple weeks ago and the character of Zarabeth was actually altered by all the editing.

In one particular sceen, just after Zarabeth brought Spock and McCoy to her cave home Zarabeth questions Spock, and this isn't word-for-word but close enough:

Zarabeth(ZB): The Atavachron is far away, but I think you come from farther away than that.

Spock: That is correct, I'm not from the world you know at all.

ZB: How interesting, I've always enjoyed reading stories in books about such possibilities ... but they were just stories/CUT/ back to Kirk in jail.

There is another minute to this sceen with ZB and Spock ...

ZB: the stories were not real, I must be imagining all this ... I must be going mad ... I'm going MAD!

Spock re-assures Zarabeth that she is not going mad and that he is real and the situation is very real. NOW we should cut to Kirk in jail.

In the SciFi version Zarabeth doesn't seem to have much of a problem with Spock being totally alien, but in the uncut version, Zarabeth was very upset about it and had a big problem with it. That changed the story AND Zarabeth's character.

In fact, according to the calculations of my video editing software, the SciFi channel chopped away at least ten minutes of that episode!

Wow, I guess that's why we have to buy season sets.

Does anyone know if 'The Cage' is going to be part of the TOS Season sets??..I certainly hope so even though it was never aired on 60s TV..

I'm not sure, but I would hope so, it's a part of TOS.

I would love to have the season sets when they come out but I don't know if I will be able to afford them. I've been permenantely laid off work (doors closed, my job of the past 12 years has been eliminated), so that's why I've been doing the VCD thing.

SCI-FI isn't butterring TOS, advertising is.

With all due respect, you're wrong. There may be set standards, but are they forced to follow them?

If the scifi channel is going to air Star Trek at such ungodly hours (3am? give me a break!), why can't they give us a more complete episode? I could better understand if they were being aired in the evening ... but how much money do you need?

Have you ever seen the scifi channels: Star Trek Special Edition?

Yes, that was about 5 years ago, and I really hope they do it again soon ... it has been 5 years ya know

I have the complete first season of the SciFi channels special edition of Star Trek on video cassette, and a few of season two. But there was a death in the family at that time (sister-in-law, only 33 years old) and I didn't get to record the rest. How I wish now that I could have fought the loss and kept recording.

I agree with Data, I think they wanted Pike and Vanna (was that her name?) to fall in love. Their database on humanity was somewhat limited but I believe they wanted the environment to be completely natural so Pike would want to stay.

You're thinking of The Cloud Minders VBG, the girl in The Cage was called, and I'm not sure of the spelling but it was pronounced, Veena.

And you're right, the Talosians wanted them to fall in love, because they experienced emotion through their captives. That statement, which was edited out of the SciFi channels sunday morning airing of The Cage, was made by Veena in the original uncut episode. In fact, according to the calculations of my video editing software, the SciFi channel chopped away at least ten minutes of that episode!

TUH has been posting topics related to Star Trek as recently seen on the SciFi channel ... nothing wrong with any of that, but beware, SciFi is butchering these episodes to death, I mean, to the point that the plot is no longer valid, and worse still, the story is completely changed.

I will be adding more to this as I'm currently capturing these episodes to my PC to create personal VCD's, I'm supplementing what has been edited out with what I have on VHS tape.

Star Trek on SciFi: Sunday at 9 and 10am. Tuesday at 3am (currently). May change back to M-F at 6pm after New Year ... just a hunch, as I briefly saw that startrek.com recently changed it's listing on scifi to M-F at 6pm, then quickly changed it back to the current schedule.

I was thinking about how changes in technology would make this episode plot outdated.  The Talosians wanted their captives to breed and we're trying to get the couple to go about it "the old fashioned way".  Now all they'd have to do is a little in vitro.

Well, it's like what Data said, the Talosians wanted her to have a companion. It is also stated that the Talosians experienced emotion through their captives ... not much to feel with in vitro, if ya know what I mean B)

The same could also be said of the Gideons solution to their overpopulation problem in The Mark Of Gideon. But abortion and birth control are sickening to them ... good ole pre 60's morals.

I saw it many years ago, it is a great story that echos Star Trek's source material (Forbidden Planet) to a greater extent in terms of plotting and characterisation.

Forbidden Planet certainly influenced Roddenberry, but I don't think I would go as far as to call it the source material. The relationship of the big three ... Kirk, Spock, McCoy, was most definitely based on the male leads of that film.

What Forbidden Planet and Star Trek have in common is great sci-fi writing, something sorely lacking in modern treks.

Did anyone else see this.  The Scifi channel ran the original pilot.  I thought it was odd because the intro was different then I realized I was watching the first pilot - which I had never seen before.

 

It was different - not a just a different captain but

 

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many of the characters had a choppier feel about them - and Spock seemed much less rigid.  The greatest though was Majel Barrett (with dark hair) as Number One - it's really a shame she didn't get to follow through with that character.  The captain even made some comment about women shouldn't be on the bridge and she gave him a look.  And he mumbled something about her being different and she gave him another look.  There was an enthusiastic young officer who seemed to have a much higher energy level than Sulu or Chekov.  But it was the original pilot and the execs didn't like it - that's why they did Where no man has gone before.

 

 

 

 

Anyway I was thrilled to get to see the entire episode.

Anyway, back to The Cage ...

The Cage is an awsome episode (in my top ten), and I hope the next trek series (if there is one) is based on it. The crew was different (except Nimoy and Barrett), and the Enterprise was slightly more primative, but, it had that same TOS feel to it ... great sci-fi storytelling.

I love Majel, but to be brutally honest, I don't think she was strong enough an actress to pull that character off in the long run. But she did good work in The Cage. And Nimoy hadn't yet even begun to define Spock's character, that happened around the time of The Corbomite Maneuver.

Yes, it's different, but not all that different. I can watch it along with the rest of TOS and it doesn't feel out of place at all.

BTW, if you watched the SciFi channel's sunday morning airing then you didn't see anywhere near the entire episode ... I'm starting a new thread about this, untill then B)

With the ratings in steady decline, I'd say they'll give it one more season and call it quits. I just hope ENT isn't the last series.

I can kind of see a point to 'Rick's Rule'. I mean, not to the total extreme that he does, but more making the show it's own thing ... If it's over done then it looks like the writers are going out of their way to bring the Original Series.

And I say what's wrong with that? IMHO, this is what the franchise needs right now. I'm not saying that they should bring back TOS, but a new TOS era series is well overdue.

Flying saucers were riducluous.  Where were the engines in those things?

Perhaps the technology of those inside the "flying saucers" is so far advanced that they don't need engines :)

Did the movie "Forbidden Planet" influence Gene Roddenberry's creation of Star Trek? Captain Kirk is a dead ringer for Commander Adams.

Well, this is one of my least favorites, but hey, it's classic Star Trek so I like it! :)

The acting by the guest stars wasn't too good, and the episode kind of drug along ... too much sociopolitical mumbo-jumbo and not enough action (the problem with many third season episodes). This was not the Captian Kirk of the first two seasons ... who would have simply beamed down some armed parties and took the zienite.

Kahn, with Chang as a very close second, Chris Plummer was excellent as Chang great casting

I agree totally. Plummer was awsome as Chang, and I almost voted for Chang instead of Khan. Perhaps this poll is one in which the obvious -Khan- should have been left out.

Since we are getting closer, I thought I'd give this a little push <_<

But there was one thing I always wondered.  If Sulu's greatest fear is knives and swords and things, why is his "inner self" in "The Naked Time" a swordsman?  It's just been something that's always bugged me.

Sulu didn't fear the knives, he feared death.

I still think it would have been better if they hadn't tried to show us what was terrifying them so much ... just made things confusing.