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Well, it looks like the current verdict is No. Unless there is a big reversal of opinion, it looks like the typos will stay. No typo editing will be practiced unless specifically asked for by someone.

Well I would not say that time does not exist.

 

It is nature’s way from preventing everything from happening at once. Frame of reference and all of that could be argued and pulled out of portions to make it seem that way (in saying that it does not exist) and I could think of a few ways someone might do that, but even with that . . . we are relevant with our frame of reference (of course I’m not defending a Newtonian view or a classical physics view of absolute motion or I’m not using that as a main frame of reference because absolute motion does not exist in the first place) . . . but if it is relevant to our frame that it is relevant to other perspectives . . .  . all the way to that fact that mass creates gravity to electrodynamics of moving bodies (well as you know with mass and energy can be transformed which is a great connection with the electrodynamics of moving bodies to our great general relativity friend creating a nice loop or chain to fit it all together).  And so on (I don't want to go on and on if I don't have to) Time is the 4th d

What??? I didn't understand what you're saying there! Can you be clearer on why you think time exists. (also - I mean by existing as something that can be directly modified)

I believe Star Trek should continue. Such a creative vision should not die.

1. Humanity is on the verge of self destruction.

I don't think so. What eveidence do you have.

2. It's my opinion that Revelations from the bible might very well happen this century, or at least before we become a space faring civilizartion.

Please, if your going to bring up religion, be careful and less preachy - it is one of the three most dangerous topics:

1. Religion

2. Politics

3. Windows vs. Mac

...and my personal opinion is - "I don't think so."

Xenexian, what you are talking about has already been done with quarks! (the building blocks of protons, neutrons, pions, sigmas, etc.) There are six quarks: Up, Down, Charm, Strange, Bottom, Top. I would like to see more names like that!

Well, I'm writing a time travel trilogy called FUTURE'S END.

 

In the story, there's a time machine called a "timegate"  Basically, it has 3 emitters equally spaced apart that fire at the center of the gate, creating such tremendous force, that a "hole" is ripped in space time, almost like a black hole, only microscopic.  The gate then fires a quick burst from the 3 emitters, shifting the "hole" to a temporal rift, the gate then pulls it open into a full temporal rift, ready for time travel.

 

Now, put science aside for a moment.

 

If you had the right technology, would that be possible to create a temporal rift?

 

I mean...  forcing the right form of matter from 3 directions into a center point, thus creating a tear in space time, then shooting that tear with a specified type of energy, then using a specialized field to pull it open?

 

Don't worry about offending me.  If I'm completely off, please tell me. :blink:

Captain Jean-Luc Picard, I believe you are mistaken about the differences between black holes and Temporal/Spatial Rifts. A black hole is not really a hole and it is not a tear in space. A black hole tremendously bends space with its powerful gravity. A rift is something far more powerful. A rift is where the very fabric of space tears. The time machine you are talking about is diffidently possible in SCI-FI, and may be possible in real life. We need to know if space can truly be torn. Space might not be a substance, and time might not really exist! If this is true - all this is false. More experiments are needed.

I think this has to deal with the very foundation of space-time and the core structure of the universe. (And quite possibly spirituality too!)

I think that there might very well be a sort of universe-wide connectivity (which, as the name implies, connects anything to everything) which makes the entire universe like a super-network. If you could tap into this network, it would be essentially be becoming one with the universe, and through this you would know everything about the universe and be able to completely control the universe. This actually sounds a lot like God or Q to me. This connectivity - because you are the universe - would allow you to know anything and everything about the universe. This, I believe is the only way we could ever bypass the uncertainty principal.

Thoughts?

I'm all for those changes he promotes.

Typs are a common thang. Thay often just pop up and a hard to catch. Would you like the Moderrators of thiese boards to edit your typos out?

If the No wins, typos will nt be editedd out.

If the Yes wins, typos will be edited out.

You can always PM the moderators if you would like a different course of action to be taken specifically for YOU. For example, No wins but you want us to edit out your typos.

Also, if yes wins, we cannot guarantee we will find all the typos, but if we see any, we will edit them.

I do not think we should discriminate against homosexual people. I think that homosexuals do not, however, need a lot of representation. They, as Ktrek said, are not a signifigant portion of the population. Since they cannot reproduce, homosexualality is a genetic flaw. You can have a society of blacks or whites - but not homosexuals. They are a flaw, but are not to be discriminated against.

Also - I do believe that a ST-like tolerant society may still emerge.

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Actually it is natural,most gays are born that way its not a choice for them.

I think you misunderstood what I said. I didn't mean they wanted to be gay. I meant, if left completely to nature - homosexuality would never be a signifigant aspect in any species.* Scientifically, I must say gay people are not a signifigant enough population (and can never be) to warrant such outcry and representation. I am also not for opression and discrimination. I do not sponsor or am against gay people. I just think they don't need a huge amount of representation.

*Thoretically a survival mechanism might arise which in some way use homosexuality to benefit the species, but under any normal circumstances it will not be significant.

I have to agree with Picard.

The big difference between this issue and others is that homosexual people can't reproduce!!! It is not a viable means for the species to survive! Scientifically, homosexuality is unnatural!

AND THERE ARE NO WEAPON'S OF MASS DESTRUCTION IN IRAQ.

 

Why?

 

Because WoMD are designed to deter INVASION.

 

ONLY A MAD MAN would consider using them...which makes Saddam's Regime seem a little less 'bad' doesn't it?

 

Since they haven't used WoMD.

You're not giving the US enough credit. Who says Saddam didn't try to use them but couldn't because of US Special Forces?

Because they follow order's and do not question them.

If they didn't the military would not be effective!!! It is up to the leaders to determine what is right.

Question: If the US military had been sent to 'liberate', would they not have sought the SURRENDER of the Iraqi army through negotiation?

Where have you been???? Did you watch any news!!! Thousands of Iraqis surrenderred!!!

Answer:

Their ORDERS were to destroy the Iraqi MILITARY and REGIME so it could then be REPLACED with one which would CAPITULATE to US demands.

Better make that: Just the regime and the loyalists to it. Also - a regime that would better serve the Iraqi People!!!

And what is the TRUTH?

That no one has the right to INVADE another country UNLESS the UN (Federation) AGREE'S it is necessary...

The UN might have agreed to go to war but it would have been too late. If Saddam has WOMD then they might only agree to war when there is irrefutable proof - Millions dead in an attack with them!!!

I'm afraid I don't see much logic to you're idea.

Brains, Hands Down.

(no pun intended)

I think this topic really belongs in the Science and Technology Board. It has already been discussed quite thoroughly there:

"Timeline" - on SciTech Board

My Comments were:

Anyway, first, before we work out paradoxes, we have to determine what type of time-travel exists!  There are a few theories:

1. Nonexistent Time - "Time" does not exist as an actual substance - it is an entirely man-made concept, therefore, time travel is impossible - there is nowhere to travel to!

2. Static Time - Time exists, however, due to physical laws - time tavel is impossible

3. Editiable Time - Time is sort of "set in place" - changes don't affect many things and you can go back in time and change little.  When you go back in time you edit the already existing time.  This is the type of time favored in most time travel scenarios - For Example: "Back to the future"

4. Resetable Time - When you travel back in time, you "reset" the future - all the decisions and chance events reset.  So, for instance, you travel back to World War II to historically observe it, right?  To you great amazement Germany Wins!  This could happen because the decisions of the pilots and troops and commanders are reset and perhaps this time Germany fights better!  This is obviousy really bad! Time travel is very dangerous!

 

What is also interesting is that there are really some subsets of 3/4.

Subset A: Sequential time travel - Time travel happens in sequence - You can't tell yourself to leave you some money! The future hasn't happened yet!

Subset B: Simultaneous time travel - All time travel happens at the same time - you can tell yourself to leave some money for you (supposing you aren't broke in the future!)

 

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Whether the quantum world "dances" the same way or not depends on whether we have time version 3 or 4, Master Q.  If we have version 3, then if you "repeat" it will work the same way every time.  If we have version 4, then it will be a chance interacton each time - could happen differently.

 

Also...

 

How the paradoxes are solved

 

Supposing the "time scenario" is 3 or 4 (really doesn't matter), then the paradoxes are solved differently...

I'm using the "Grandfather Paradox"

 

Subset A:

1. You travel back in time and kill yourself

2. Since you killed yourself no one grows up to travel back and kill you

3. So ... You don't exist in the future to go back in time and kill yourself

4. Your younger version therfore grows up

5. You then go back and kill yourself

6. Since you killed yourself no one grows up to travel back and kill you

7. etc.

It just keeps repeating until...

(big #). You go back in time to kill yourself but a capacitor blows on your time machine and you can't go back in time and kill yourself - the timeline is stable!

All you would remember is a freak accident kept you from going back in time to kill yourself!  (you don't remember any "looping")  You would notice every time you tried to make a paradox a freak accident would stop you!!!

 

This phenomenon is called a "temporal loop" and the conclusion is called "chance compensation"

 

I don't really know how it would work in Subset B where all time travel is simultaneous - you would both be dead and alive at the same time???  It doesn't make sense!

 

There is also the theory of Quantum Realities

 

In this theory, each time you time-travel you create an alternate time line.  In this case, if you traveled back in time to kill yourself, you would succeed and you would still exist but your younger version would not.  You would have, in effect, "jumped" realities.  If you went back to your time no one would know who you were because in their reality, you don't exist!

I voted no.

I believe pluto is too similar to other Kuiper Belt objects like the recently discovered Quaoar. It is much morre similar to the objects in the Kuiper Belt than the other outer planets. It only stands to reason that it is not a true planet.

I enjoyed the adventure aspect of this episode but the logic and science seemed terribly flawed and I'm only an amatuer scientist.  Any thoughts?

 

1.  Didn't the fact that the wisps could remove the crew from their bodies imply that humans are dual natured and if the wisps could remove us we should be able to learn to remove ourselves - no evolving necessary.

2.  How do wisps travel in subspace yet are not able to survive in space - if they are noncorporeal why do they need a ship?  If they can't repair the ship how do they pilot it? And how did they travel through space between ships.

3.  How did Phlox resuscitate everyone just be changing the air supply?

4.  If they shielding in the Catwalk kept out the wisps - how did Trip get in?

5.  Does being converted to energy automatically give the ability to transcend the boundaries of space/time?  It didn't in TNG or TOS.

6.  If we have a dual nature - ie a consciousness that could be removed shouldnt the means be mechanical - like a power surge rather than mental will as T'Pol implied?  How is a forceable takeover a temptation?

7.  Remember TOS - where the three surviving "consciousnesses" of a dead race inhabited Kirk/Spock/female doctor.  They weren't energy wisps they hung out in orbs (Spock hid out in nurse chapel for a while)

1. That is not science. It is more spiritual beliefs - I can't give you a scientific criticism here.

2. I think they can survive a short time in space or subspace but need a ship for extended periods of time. Also, they probably pilot it telepathically. I think their ship was probably so damaged it would have been impossible to repair. No doubt than can repair it to a certain extent.

3. It's a 1-hour TV show. 'nuff said.

4. One probably slipped in while the hatch was open. Or came in already inside Trip.

5. What??? No one in this episode transcended space/time!!! If you're talking about their experiences, those were just a sort of Hallucination.

6. Temptation??? I think this is also a spiritual kind of question.

7. Okkaaayyy... What does this have to do with this episode? So energy life forms come in many different forms! So? Physical life forms come in many forms too!

Whoops!!! Forgot a method.  There is the relative moving 3D glasses.  They work by making it so objects moving at different speeds appear father away/closer.  I bet this is what you were referring to.  This only requires glasses but it isn't a very good method.  They could do that, but paramount wouldn't spend that kind of money.

The one-gray-lens glasses are the ones I'm referring to!

Okay?!?!?

Whoops!!! Forgot a method. There is the relative moving 3D glasses. They work by making it so objects moving at different speeds appear father away/closer. I bet this is what you were referring to. This only requires glasses but it isn't a very good method. They could do that, but paramount wouldn't spend that kind of money.

Well, I, Xeroc, am not quite sure about the 3-D thing. It might be possible, but I haven't seen any methods besides the multiple-picture method (One picture next to each other), red & blue method (red and blue pictures superimposed to form a black & white picture), and polarized picture method (like IMAX). What method were those pictures you referred to using?

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