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I believe Seven gave the writers more room to explore. Maybe if they had made the Kes character different it would have had more possibilities. The races lifespan was so short there was no possible longterm direction unless they re-wrote the "rules" for her lifespan.

I believe the writers "chickened out" of the dealing with the consequences of having made Kes a character which would have to age, decline, and possibly die within the period of the show's run. They missed an opportunity to deal with one of few areas of social commentary that Star Trek has not visited convincingly -- dealing with the aging, decline, and death of someone dear.

They have had episodes that deal with aging, but often there is some superfast aging, and then restoration in the end, and no deep emotional consequences for the crew.

The only time Star Trek kills off major characters is when the actors want to leave the show. I am not saying that only Kes's death would have completed her story. I am saying they avoided the difficulty of the crew living with her decline, continuing to care about her, perhaps having to eventually "relieve her of her duties in sickbay or the hydroponics lab." And the one episode that dealt with an aged, embittered Kes still left me feeling cheated out of what could have been in terms of completing her story.

My very favorite Star Trek episode, period. Even beats out all my many favorite TOS episodes.

I'd like to see Samuel L. Jackson or Lou Gossett, Jr. in some role as an alien entrepreneur or leader who is "in the know" about some region in the expanse, and with whom the Enterprise crew has to really work in order to get the needed information. I am thinking about some kind of challenging situation , like the struggle to communicate in Darmok.

I voted everything. I am just waiting for new Star Trek episodes. I am ready for whatever they've got ( I hope :lol: ).

Remarkable! Shocking!

If you look at Indy's time zone map you notice that Indiana and Arizona have two colors. In Indiana, the state is in the Eastern Tme zone in the Fall and Winter, except the little upper left corner which is suburban Chicago. That portion of the state is always in the Central Time zone.

In the Spring and Summer when the rest of the country is changing their clocks, the majority of Hoosiers (Indiana residents) do not change their clocks. So in the summer and spring Indiana is in one time zone: Central Daylight's Savings Time. (so EST = CDST)

There was once an attempt to switch the clocks like the rest of the country, but it "failed." I no longer live there, but I think there has been recent discussions about doing the time change, but right now, they are still doing what they have always done.

Hmm.....I am wondering if the math haters are primarily American or not. I have been told that the attitude against mathematics was an American phenomenon, and that this attitude was not common in other countries.

I, of course , love mathematics, and the other sciences are pretty interesting also

I was sure during the moon missions of the late sixties and early seventies that the next step was building colonies on the moon. I also fully expected that they would be so developed by the time that I retired that people would be able to take vacations on the moon, and that is what I ws hoping to do for my retirement travel. Was I disappointed when it was all stopped!

Of course we should go back to the moon! Because it is there!

Mathematics is the language of science--"the queen of science" according to Eric Temple Bell.

Math comes before physics, chemistry, or biology, and is necessary to all. The kind of repetitive drills that used to be done in grade school math developed the intuition needed to later be able to do the abstract. Problems of algebra, drills in algebra, developed skill with working with the abstract, with abstract reasoning and manipulation of abstract mathematical expressions.

(Introduction of the calculator to grades school and up have largely eliminated this development. I teach many college students for whom, how shall I say it... the light bulb is out. They have few basic math skills, but excellent finger to key pad coordination. Forgive the cynicism. I worry that America is on the decline, mathematically speaking.)

Lower level college mathematics, such as calculus, introductory linear algebra,and introductory differential equations develop reasoning further, and further use the interconnectedness of mathematics concepts, and how one concept is built on another,and one has to be mastered before moving on to another. And it is true that in many of these courses applications to physics, chemistry, and engineering seem contrived.

But all of this only gives a hint to what mathematics becomes when one studies it at advanced level. If all that math is was encompassed in the above courses, I could understand with folks not being much impressed. But moving on to "upper level mathematics," graduate and research level mathematics, the unalloyed beauty of mathematics becomes all too apparent, and compelling to those engaged in its study. It's about relationship, truth and beauty.

Some have tried to communicate this perspective. There are nice books for the general public that talks about the beauty of mathematics. One is "The Beauty of Mathematics; Three Public Dialogues " by Serge Lange. Another is "The Art of Mathematics," by Jerry P. King. Another talks about famous mathematics equation in math and phyisics. I cannot remember the title or author.

There is absolutly no doubt in my mind that man walked on the moon.I just laugh at people that say we didn't. And I know for sure that Alan Shepard is the first man to hit a golf ball on the moon. I watched every moon mission as it was televised and was captivated by the whole expeirence.

Yes we have walked on the moon,my only question now is when will we go back?

I agree with this statement 100%. My whole family was up July 20, 1969 watching Neil Armstrong take those first steps. I have scrapbooks from that era.

I do not understand all the discusion about the flag. They had wire in the flag--period. They said it at the time...even the news anchors knew that.

Do you realize how many people would have to be involved to perpetrate a hoax, a continuing hoax, of this magnitude? That many people could not be kept in line.

The movie Capricorn One was mentioned. Capricorn One was realistic because they had to kill off the astronauts (except James Brolin got away in the end and made a dramatic appearance at the memorial service honoring him and his comrades.). If that kind of deception were going on in reality they would have had to kill off people.

More telling movies were Apollo 13 and The Dish. Apollo 13 shows the level of ingenuity it took to bring the Apollo 13 astronauts home. The Dish was about the Australian radio telescope used in tracking Apollo 11, that was responsible for sending the live moonwalk pictures to back to earth. They were telling becuase they show real struggle, real challenge, humanity, and triumph

involved in the manned moon missions.

How unfortunate that one of the few great endeavors of mankind is not even real to some people!

Haven't seen the movie yet! :)

Didn't read any of the posts above.

Do know that Data dies. B)

Plan to read the above after I rent the video of the movie.

I say mix it up a little. TNG, DS9, and VOY are all contemporaries, so let the characters interact.

It is clear that no one here wears pierced earrings, nor has ever had to play off the fact that their one earring was meant to be a pair!

What happened is that the back of one of his pips loosened and came off, and he saw it and the pip drop to the floor. After quickly and deftly retrieving the objects he slipped them into a pocket, and assumed the necessary serious demeanor for Worf's trial, playing off the fact that one pip is missing!

At an opportune moment, he bent over, cleared his throat, and discreetly refastened the missing pip, and resumed the serious demeanor.

He was so quick, that even an alert trekkie missed his movement!

The episodes that stuck with me are the ones that emphasized family and friendships, especially the ones that explored the relationship between Jake Sisko and his father (The Visitor, the one in the Bajoran sailing ship, others). I like the very first and very last episode because of relationships. Even with the enormous pressures and challenges of life on the station, dealing with the Cardassians, dealing with the Dominion, dealing with war....there was caring and intmacy, and hobbies and fun! And not just the holodeck, although that was a major source of fun. The characters struggling against the Dominion were not cardboard soldiers set up to be blown away by one tribulation after another, but had complete, intimate lives, something to fight for, something to not lose. It made Siskos's final sacrifice more endearing. I love that aspect of DS9.

I also do not gamble, but I could imagine being the millionth customer to walk into some store and get a prize for that. So I'll express this as what I'd do if I suddenly came into a large sum of money.

1) Pay tithes -- first fruits to the Lord

2) Pay taxes -- no sense in planning to do anything with Uncle Sam's money

3) Create a full scholarhip named after my sister at the school from which she received her DVM

It would be sufficiently funded so it could be given every other year, and pay for books,

housing, everything. The only qualification, besides being admitted into the vet med

program would be that they had to have at least one of the characteristics that made it such

a challenge for her to finish.

4) Set up a family scholarship fund (we have a family council...the works)

5) Fund some of the other programs our family preisdent is dreaming of.

6) Pay off my bills

7) Make extra large donations to my favorite charities

8) Save and invest anything left

I would not quit my job.

Makes you think. We are so caught up in our day-to-day problems, which, although they may be trying, do not generally involve life and death struggle. I feel so sorry for the young people losing their lives. I look at the young people I teach and think about the young people dying. I had my best student leave school after Spring 2003 semester to do milatary training. He was the oldest son in a military family ( both parents had served in Desert Storm), and in spite of the fact that he was an honor student, his parents supported his decision. Now there is something to think about... that people still raise their children to think in terms of what it takes to keep this country strong, ahead of personal interest.

Sorry to buck the trend, but I really am a bit indifferent. All of the various changes would be okay. All of them are fine. With this one the " STARTREKFANS.NET" is bigger. I don't think I am discerning enough to really think that this one is better than the previous one. It's the substance of the website that draws me. There is plenty of "star trek" things to do, and people here are varied, civil, and many know way more about Star Trek than I do. As long as I can recognize that I am at the right place, you can continue to tweak the logo until it's what you want.

I recently received a similar warning about this type of scam from TPTB at earthlink.net. Seems that this scam is being widely run.

Like humans, an android can have an evil twin.

Watch out if you hear that Wesley Crusher is conducting a science expriement (nanites, that "bubble" his mother was caught in, .....).

I like the News Hour on PBS (used to be called the McNeill-Lerher (sp?) Report). They include several perspectives.

Since that was not a choice, I voted for CNN.

I preferred Kes to Seven. It's too bad that Kes did not remain on Voyager so that her entire life cycle could have been explored, and the reaction of the crew to her life changes. The one episode where an old and embittered Kes travels back in time to try to destroy Voyager does little to deal with the questions we have: what happened to her during the years she was separated from Janeway and company? What changed her, nearly leading to her destruction?

Of course many of the Seven episodes dealing with her struggle with emotion were excellent.

Voyager improved over time, and had an excellent ending.

It's this so type of human nature I think Enterprise lacks in it's story telling. All the characters are too fake. Always doing the same things never once really doing something wrong for all the right reasons. Or something right for all the wrong reasons.  All too boring... All too done

In Cogenitor, Trip did wrong things (lying, sneaking around) for all the right reasons (helping someone he believed to be oppressed). It turned out to be a far more complex situation than he had perceived and ultimately led to tragedy.

Enterprise still has enormous potential for character development. I do not see the character

developemnt in Trek series following TNG as being some kind copy of the TNG group. Each series has had its own disitnctiveness.

I must admit that if it was the only source of new Star Trek episodes on the air I would probably watch it.

It would not replace TOS in my heart. It could never be for me what TOS was. ( I watched it while it was on the air.)

Nevertheless I would watch the remake of TOS and hope for the best.

I saw the play " The Wiz," and the movie version of it. It was a pretty good movie and a different take on a classic, and had some good music. It was an additional piece of enternatinment, but it did not change what " the Wizard of Oz " with Judy Garland was to me.