Theunicornhunter

YBHYR, why does dying make someone sacrasanct? Why is it necessary to deny or whitewash the facts of their lives once they die?

 

I never really listened to his music so the newspaper headlines are about all I know of him. Of one thing I am certain, nothing we say will affect whether or not he finds peace - that is beyond our hands.

 

As regards the children, I thought it was common knowledge his children were conceived in vitro. I feel sorry for the kids - the whole thing is messed up.

wrong person to say that I won't remember music from 30 years ago to since i'm an avid Beatles fan

 

The you should know the Beatles weren't even still a group 30 years ago - it's been nearly 40 years since the breakup. And there are people who don't remember them or really know much about them. But what else do you know about 30 years ago?

 

I'm trying to remember who was famous 30 years ago - there's LVR's favortie the BeeGees :)

 

1979 CMA Entertainer of the year was Willie Nelson

 

According to Billboard the top ten songs of 1979

1. My Sharona, The Knack

2. Bad Girls, Donna Summer

3. Le Freak, Chic

4. Da Ya Think I'm Sexy, Rod Stewart

5. Reunited, Peaches and Herb

6. I Will Survive, Gloria Gaynor

7. Hot Stuff, Donna Summer

8. Y.M.C.A., Village People

9. Ring My Bell, Anita Ward

10. Sad Eyes, Robert John

 

I would like to say I don't remember YMCA

 

 

There are people that will remember him in 30 years, just like they do Elvis.

 

I wonder how many of those were born after 1978

 

The pont is - life moves on - we remember references to icons, Elvis in the white jump suit, Marilyn Monroe and the white dress on the subway grate and Michael Jackson's moonwalk but mostly we live in the world of the now.

 

IMO, Those who really make lasting contributions are those who contribute more than pop culture.

You are already thinking different of me for sayin I like his music now.

 

I doubt anyone thinks differently of you for liking his music - probably many people do. I do think some people draw the line at admiring him or calling him a hero.

 

Thirty years from now - people probably won't remember him much at all - anymore than you remember famous entertainers from 30 years ago. And while others have been rumored to be pedophiles - Jackson had an actual victim making specific charges. For many people alive today that is what they will remember.

I see YBHYR's point - if there is somene who is truly mourning Jackson's passing then launching attacks may be a bit insensitive. There have been a couple of celebrities that I've genuinely felt sad at their untimely death.

 

But in Jackson's case - if the allegations are true - no contribution to the music world would balance that out.

Trying to compare people's lives - as in who was the biggest - that's always going to be subjective - I don't know who had the biggest impact on music (I do know that Elvis' first tv appearance was censored because he swiveld too much) now look at what they do on stage. Unlike Jackson Elvis was also a sex symbol - I remember being a little kid listening to the older woman talk about Elvis.

 

As for Jackson, I remember he was once a cute little kid around the same time Donny Osmond was a cute little kid and then he got strange. Yeah, I see some hypocrisy in all of a sudden singing his praises when two weeks ago a kind word couldn't have been found. - We'll probably never know if he was really a criminal or just really odd. But once the hoopla dies down - people will be back to remembering the oddness. Mostly, I just feel sad for him

 

 

This is probably the only "Michael Jackson" music I ever owned - I think I had the 45

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Why is it people only worry about global warming in the summer? And where were these prophets of doom when it was snowing on the California coast a matter of months ago?

 

theoretically global warming can result in colder temps in some locales - melting ice cools down ocean currents affecting adjacent land masses.

 

Whatever the reason - ice caps are melting and seasons (as in migratory, hatching, planting, blooming, etc) have been altered. No doubt something will adapt.

from weather.com

 

Areas from the Southern Plains to the lower-Mississippi Valley and Gulf Coast will continue to swelter under excessive heat and humidity.

 

Highs in the upper 90s to near 100 degrees will be widespread.

 

This includes Dallas, Texas, Tulsa, Okla., Memphis, Tenn., and New Orleans, La.

 

Tulsa is under an excessive heat warning.

 

The heat index will be well over 100 degrees in many areas.

 

Dothan, Ala., recorded a heat index of 113 degrees on Monday.

 

After some all time record heat (101 degrees) in cities like Vero Beach, Florida, may see slightly lower temperatures over the next few days.

 

Only isolated thunderstorms are expected to dot the region.

 

Scattered thunderstorms are forecast across Florida.

I live in NE Florida - and while it's always hot - it's not usually quite this hot but I think all of the SE US is having above average temps.

Just checked the the temp at weather.com:

 

95 with a heat index of 108 - I went out this morning and felt like I had entered a walk in oven. I"m not leaving this house agan - it's scary because as bad as cold is - more people usually die from the heat than the cold.

Rewatched this a couple of weeks ago - still one of my favorite eps.

 

But I did wonder about the back up of the doctor - in fact I think I have a thread somewhere about a back up program for the doctor. Most of the time they did seem to indicate he wasn't "backed up" but what starship doesn't back up it's sophisticated software.

But it doesn't always matter what degree they have in the business world - and all teachers do have a degree. But some teachers teach their minor instead of their major

 

You are not going to get an accounting or engineering job with a degree in sociology or "liberal studies". You just aren't.

 

we agreed earlier that certain technical degrees are different from non-technical degrees. And you said "business" so Sales Managers, Account Reps, HR personnel, fund raisers, non profit directors etc don't necessarily get degrees that say "sales manager etc."

 

Which misses the point of the original question - though I think Ensign Beedrill made a good point - that industry itself can influence what students learn.

 

Still if I remember an undergrad is about 128 semester hours and less than 60 of those have to be in the major field - almost your first two years are elective courses - unless you're going into a technical field that require a lot of pre-reqs.

 

They used to have something called "read law" where a person could study under a member of the bar and sit for the bar when ready - now, you sit through some painfully tedious classes (87 credits I think) to get a degree and maybe half pass the bar. What's a better judge of a good attorney - the number of credits, passing the bar or peer review of performance?

 

 

And it was in graduate school that I started thinking that education had become quite the racket.

 

All other things being equal, a candidate with a degree relevant to the job they will be doing is a safer bet than a candidate without a degree or a degree in a completely different field.

In certain fields - and in a large corporate environment but not everyone lives in mega corporations and in some situations personal stock will serve you well.

Does the presence or absence of a degree influence a hiring manager's decision in the business world? You bet it does. So why shouldn't the same criteria be applied to teachers?

 

But it doesn't always matter what degree they have in the business world - and all teachers do have a degree. But some teachers teach their minor instead of their major

 

Whereas having a degree provides an assurance that you did have the required amount of coursework.

 

Required amount of course work for what ?- the point I'm trying to make - where do you draw the line - who says how much you have to have to be qualified in a given field? I think in some fields we rely too much on credit hours and not enough on demonstrated proficiency.

One more 3-unit class might not make someone a better teacher, but it would give a student or parent a higher degree of confidence that the instructor knows his material.

 

Why? Seriously why would knowing someone had one more class in an area increase your confidence in their abilities?

 

Here in Florida, regardless of your major or number of credits you have in a field, you have to take a subject area competency test to be certified. From what I understand they are difficult even for majors. I've been studying to take one - not in my major - but with some coursework. Suppose I pass the test and someone with a major doesn't - which of us is most competent in the field?

I'm sorry to hear CLEP isn't well utilized but I understand the reasoning. But I also know that part of the formal education process involves re-learning something you already know - which is IMO inefficient. And I believe LVR is right - it's a primary because it's a source of revenue.

 

I think this goes back to the original question - just how do you define what it is to be "educated" We all enter college at different experience levels but as long as we all pay for the same number of classes we get the same degree. IMO, if a degree was about having a certain competence level then there would be more emphasis on demonstrating that competence not just measuring the number of classes taken.

 

One of the criticisms I often hear in education reform is that a teacher doesn't have a degree in their field. Sometimes that's a difference of a couple of credit hours - would that one extra three credit class make you a better teacher?

Call your elected officials and vote "NO" on cap and trade. There are much better ways to reduce greenhouse gases than taxing the working class out of existence.

Really, how sad for the family to not only lose a loved one but have everyone knowing he died under such indelicate circumstances.

We need more children taken away from their parents? Are you kidding me Kor? Unbelievable.

Would you rather wait til something happens, like the children are abused, neglected, or worse? Then, would you give them another chance, and another, to try and get better, while the kids are still suffering?

 

Are you suggesting people should have their children taken away because someone thinks they "might" be abusive some time in the future. There's a chance anyone "might" do something wrong sometime - no one would ever be a parent in that case.

 

 

No, that's not how it should work. It doesn't "take a village" to raise a child (as some idiot politician once stated). It takes a family.

This is a bit off topic but this was actually an African proverb and I believe in the basic principle. No, it doesn't mean the state supercedes the parents' primary responsibility to care for children but it does mean all adults have a responsibility to make the world safe for children.

 

I would hope that all would agree that killing a child who has already been born is murder

They started with the elderly and the terminally ill - they call it euthanasia. Some even claim the high road of "preventing suffering" although I read that in countries where it is regularly practiced the main concern was not spending all the parents money on medical bills so there'd be no inheritance. The reason they call it a slippery slope is because once you start down it gets easier and easier. You say it's wrong to kill a baby once it's born - but what about while in the birth canal - again, once you start down the path where do find the logic to draw a line? Obviously with the number of babies abandoned in trash cans, roadsides etc it's not clear to some people that there's a line between before birth and after birth when it's okay to kill.

As usual we could probably use some more info - but in general I have to disagree - an IQ test shouldn't be the basis of losing a child as long as you're functional. If there were specific instances where her learning disability had endangered the child - that would make a diffference. But just looking at a test score and denying someone their parental rights - a lot of total loser parents have average or higher IQs.

 

Now, if the primary factor was abandonment - that too would be a different story.

All fake boob operations* have at least one thing in common: A willing female.

 

Not necessarily - some are not necessarily forced but are pressured into it. Now, why women would rather mutilate their bodies than lose a boyfriend - I can't say but I still think it is sad.

Sorry you're sad about your show. I've been there - I still mourn the passing of Jericho; but TSCC never really impressed me either - I watched a few eps.

I think it's a great thing that we have new ways of getting stem cells without having to kill fetuses.

 

They never did kill fetuses for stem cells - they did use embryonic stem cells - and they've always had other options so I never understood why they didn't want to use those other options to begin with.

 

The other relavernt term in the article is "could" - ie they still don't know if stem cell research will derive any beneficial results.

Why is it that women put so much more thought into whether a girl's boobs are fake or not than men do?

 

Woman tend to think more than men on all subjects

 

Admit it, girls, the first thing you think when you see another girl that is too well endowed for your standards is "fake", whether they are fake or not. And yet there is supposed to be nothing wrong with women buying fashion designer knockoffs.

 

I thought it was suppodely really tacky to buy rip offs

 

Seriously though - for a girl that young to have a boob job - that is sad - so what I was thinking was bad parenting - consistent with about every thing else in the story.

So do Mom and daughter have the same plastic surgeon or could those boobs possibly be real?

There have always been earthquakes. There has not always been instant news and the internet to report everything or there hasn't always been the technology to detect some quakes. And the world hasn't always been as populous as it is now. If you look at a list of the top 10 Earthquakes in US history - not one of them is in California but that's what everyone thinks of. ( I was in Calif a year and half and experienced 2 quakes)

 

usgs

 

A 9.2 - now that's a big quake. And I had heard about the one in Missouri before. It would be a lot more dramatic now because of all the people.

Yep, this website gives advice on when to make the bathroom break in a movie so you'll miss the least amount of important stuff. At first I thought it was a joke but they did an interview on NPR. :)

 

runpee.com

 

One of the benefits of waiting for the DVD is you choose your own pee time.