Captain Bolivar 0 Posted November 27, 2004 Well, I'm gonna be absolutley lost tonight. I missed the first part last week. First time I've ever missed an episode of Enterprise. I feel rather defeated. Oh well. I hope the first part was great for everyone! Hope tonights is great too! (of course) Enjoy! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Surax 0 Posted November 27, 2004 Click For Spoiler This episode was surprisingly good. It sums up what Vulcans have really become and why they need to change. They tried to blast Enterprise out of the sky despite being allies and are willing to destroy Andoria because of faulty intelligence (sound familiar?). The one thing that stopped me from giving this episode a 10 was the Vulcans in this episode. Not only were the bad ones too guided by emotions, but I noticed many emotions in the good ones too. On her death bed, T'Pol's mom was on the verge of tears, while T'Pol herself wept. And T'Pau was getting angry at one point. Other than that one point, the episode was quite enjoyable. 9/10. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
VaBeachGuy 12 Posted November 27, 2004 I give it a 10. Click For Spoiler I don't see the Vulcan emotions as inconsistent with what we know of Vulcans. They have emotions, they are just in more control of them then humans are. We saw emotions to a degree in Sarek, Spock and Velaris so it shouldn't be a surprise to see them in these Vulcans. I just wish they had made this a 2 part arc, I'm getting tired of 3+ part arcs. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mike 5 Posted November 27, 2004 This was easily a 10 for me too! I just wish I could watch part 3 now.. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Cougar 0 Posted November 27, 2004 Great to see Trip in command! I gave it a 10. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
VaBeachGuy 12 Posted November 27, 2004 Remember, the only things you need to put into a spoiler is episode information that gives away key points and plots. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Cougar 0 Posted November 27, 2004 is Trip in command important? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jack_Bauer 1 Posted November 27, 2004 Click For Spoiler This episode was surprisingly good. It sums up what Vulcans have really become and why they need to change. They tried to blast Enterprise out of the sky despite being allies and are willing to destroy Andoria because of faulty intelligence (sound familiar?). The one thing that stopped me from giving this episode a 10 was the Vulcans in this episode. Not only were the bad ones too guided by emotions, but I noticed many emotions in the good ones too. On her death bed, T'Pol's mom was on the verge of tears, while T'Pol herself wept. And T'Pau was getting angry at one point. Other than that one point, the episode was quite enjoyable. 9/10. 283903[/snapback] Great to see Trip in command! I gave it a 10. 283925[/snapback] What channel did you guys see it on? CityTV is showing Mr. Deeds. I have to wait until 10! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
VaBeachGuy 12 Posted November 27, 2004 is Trip in command important? 283927[/snapback] It's not a spoiler, he was in command last week when T'Pol and Archer beamed down to Vulcan. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jeanway 0 Posted November 27, 2004 Sorry, couldn't vote. My rating wasn't there. :huh: Click For Spoiler I gave it a 12. The best episode yet this season in my opinion. I truely saw the 'Power of the Vulcan Mind' and why is Archer always getting clobbered?? He's going to end up like Mohammed Ali. I don't know what else to say right now. I'll have to come back tomorrow. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Data 0 Posted November 27, 2004 (edited) Click For Spoiler This episode was surprisingly good. It sums up what Vulcans have really become and why they need to change. They tried to blast Enterprise out of the sky despite being allies and are willing to destroy Andoria because of faulty intelligence (sound familiar?). The one thing that stopped me from giving this episode a 10 was the Vulcans in this episode. Not only were the bad ones too guided by emotions, but I noticed many emotions in the good ones too. On her death bed, T'Pol's mom was on the verge of tears, while T'Pol herself wept. And T'Pau was getting angry at one point. Other than that one point, the episode was quite enjoyable. 9/10. 283903[/snapback] This is turning into a great episode. I am looking forward to next week. Click For Spoiler I do not know about any of you. But I see some commentary on our present current events in this episode. When the Vulcan High Command started talking about pre-emptive strikes, a bell went off in my mind. I am looking forward to see what happens with Surak's contra in Archer. It is extremely interesting why the contra prefers Archer. Next week should be great. I wonder if the artifact has any powers. Edited November 27, 2004 by Data Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
fenriz275 0 Posted November 27, 2004 I really liked it too. I'm still absorbing the story though. I do agree that I'd prefer to see two-part arcs rather than three-parters but that's a minor little complaint from me. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Data 0 Posted November 27, 2004 (edited) I think the episode needed to be longer than a two parter. There is a lot to the story. Edited November 27, 2004 by Data Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
chimei01 0 Posted November 27, 2004 (edited) was blown away...best yet. loved every minute of it. and soval is rocking in his new found allegiance with humans. and loved the bush commentary. this is why i've always loved trek...just like TOS. making a point and allowing the audience to take it from there... keep it up ENT....loving it since the first with no end in sight. Edited November 27, 2004 by chimei01 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Data 0 Posted November 27, 2004 was blown away...best yet. loved every minute of it. and soval is rocking in his new found allegiance with humans. and loved the bush commentary. this is why i've always loved trek...just like TOS. making a point and allowing the audience to take it from there... keep it up ENT....loving it since the first with no end in sight. 283935[/snapback] Ahh, somebody else saw it too. Yes, that is like TOS. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
12181802 0 Posted November 27, 2004 I didnt get to see the first 20 mins. What I saw was great. Mom and Dad thought I was going crazy. I remember it being Friday and I was yelling. =) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
KayTroi 0 Posted November 27, 2004 Tonight's episode was awesome. I can't wait to see next week's conclusion. I gave it a 8.5 out of 10. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Takara_Soong 4 Posted November 27, 2004 This is sure turning out to be one heck of a season. I too thought it was an awesome episode and I can hardly wait for next Friday to come. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Heron 0 Posted November 27, 2004 Guess I'm the oddball in the bunch. It didn't keep my interest and I didn't make it to the end. I liked that they didn't focus on the crew itself much, and focused more on the aliens, but the aliens weren't interesting. The Vulcans aren't new, mind melds aren't new and they seem to be overutilized, now. There's always hostility and aliens seem to be nothing unusual. Captain Kirk found many an interesting race; he respected what he found and was always discovering. It's almost like the two series are inverted..; TOS being first and Enterprise following... I probably shouldn't say anything, because all of you seem to like it but I had tonight off ,as I worked the a.m. . I was disappointed ...I'm happy for you guys that liked it, though; wish I agreed! Heron Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Theunicornhunter 2 Posted November 27, 2004 Click For Spoiler I thought it was sluggish, gave it a 7. But it gave me something to do while suffering insomnia. Interesting the parallels people chose to see in this. The only thing I thought of was Christianity when they talked about falling away from the true teachings. As for similarity to the war on terror - I guess I missed it - but if TPTB are trying to portray Al Qaeda as innocent little misunderstood pacifists this is one viewer they'll lose. And how does this relate to T'Pau, a declared pacifist, who would willingly kill another person (particularly a less important species like a human) if it furthered the cause. Is this suggesting violence is acceptable if you like the cause it's just when you don't like the cause that it isn't acceptable. Overall, I probably rated it too high, it was boring. And I caught all of that emotion and thought there was too much. My favorite line was when Ambassador Soval said "thank you" and yes, I did like seeing Trip in charge and I like it that he was the one to head off to Andoria (and did you notice he was disobeying a direct order from Star Fleet by remaining in Vulcan space - I see Trip as having shades of Kirk in him) IMO, more Trip and Soval screen time and less Archer and T'Pol - the latter are boring together. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Goose 0 Posted November 27, 2004 Click For Spoiler Although I too am getting a little tired of the three parters I have enjoyed this one so far. Once again I liked the insight into the vulcan past, very interesting to see that they went through nuclear war.Also liked how once again a human is carrying the Katra of one of the most important Vulcans ever(ie spock in Mccoy).Some people here have talked about the emotional vulcans, I thought the High Command was a little too emotioal, they were too quick to try to blow Enterprise out of the sky. I believed I reconized the head Vulcan's voice(can't remember his name at the moment)I know Ive heard it from somewhere, just cant pinpoint from where. Anyways good episode gave it a 7.5/10 overall. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Wishfire 2 Posted November 27, 2004 I gave it a 10. Along with last weeks episode, it went well as a cliff-hanger. Also, it begins giving insight to the vulcans we've all become familiar with. Surax, I disagree with one thing you said... Click For Spoiler The vulcans didn't want to attack Andoria because of faulty intelligence. It was because the Vulcan High Commander (I don't know how to spell his name) had ambitions too high. Notice that the others under his direct command were already showing signs of friction because of his commands. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Mike_Hines01 Posted November 27, 2004 I gave this episode a 10. I'm realy enjoying these mini arcs, the only downside is having to wait another week to see what happens Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ace 0 Posted November 27, 2004 It gets a solid 9 from me. I've been very picky about ENT as of late, but this ep kept me entertained. To be honest, I was disappointed with "The Forge." I had read some of the reviews here before I watched it, and how action-oriented some said it was. When I watched it, I ... was ... bored. It was good, but not great. This week was fun, and I love seeing how Manny is tying up all the loose ends. Click For Spoiler It's great to see how our previous problems with the Vulcans are slowly getting fixed. Since the Syrranites are the Vulcans we'll later come to know, and since they are just starting out, their having a bit of emotion is understandable; they'll overcome it, for the most part, in time. Trip in command is always fun because I always think he makes a better commander than Archer. I was actually starting to like T'les, so it's sad to see her go. T'Pau can border on obnoxious, but she's not bad. The previews for next wk look great (*fanboy mode* I love eps with a bunch of ships ). Plus, I'm sure we'll get to see Shran. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jack_Bauer 1 Posted November 27, 2004 Click For Spoiler Although I too am getting a little tired of the three parters I have enjoyed this one so far. Once again I liked the insight into the vulcan past, very interesting to see that they went through nuclear war.Also liked how once again a human is carrying the Katra of one of the most important Vulcans ever(ie spock in Mccoy).Some people here have talked about the emotional vulcans, I thought the High Command was a little too emotioal, they were too quick to try to blow Enterprise out of the sky. I believed I reconized the head Vulcan's voice(can't remember his name at the moment)I know Ive heard it from somewhere, just cant pinpoint from where. Anyways good episode gave it a 7.5/10 overall. 283993[/snapback] If you're referring to V'Las he's played by Robert Foxworth. He was Admiral Leyton in DS9's Homefront and Paradise Lost. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Cougar 0 Posted November 27, 2004 Click For Spoiler Although I too am getting a little tired of the three parters I have enjoyed this one so far. Once again I liked the insight into the vulcan past, very interesting to see that they went through nuclear war.Also liked how once again a human is carrying the Katra of one of the most important Vulcans ever(ie spock in Mccoy).Some people here have talked about the emotional vulcans, I thought the High Command was a little too emotioal, they were too quick to try to blow Enterprise out of the sky. I believed I reconized the head Vulcan's voice(can't remember his name at the moment)I know Ive heard it from somewhere, just cant pinpoint from where. Anyways good episode gave it a 7.5/10 overall. 283993[/snapback] If you're referring to V'Las he's played by Robert Foxworth. He was Admiral Leyton in DS9's Homefront and Paradise Lost. 284054[/snapback] I noticed that. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Capt_Picard 0 Posted November 27, 2004 I gave it a ten. I was loling when that old vulcan showed up... he was more human then Spock. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Captain Lysia Evans 0 Posted November 27, 2004 I think it was okay. I haven't been a huge fan of ENT. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Klingonmike 0 Posted November 27, 2004 This was a great episode!!1 I'm loving we get to learn more of the Vulcan culture!!! And I'm really loving how Manny Coto has done a outstanding job tying in Enterprise with TOS! This show must come back for another season, Its just getting too darn good for it not to. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mj 7 Posted November 27, 2004 I gave it a 9.5, and for once I get to watch it a second time. I watched it at my mother's house. She lives in an area where Enteprise airs Friday night. I liked it as much as I liked the Forge, although I was Click For Spoiler disappointed at T'les' death, and the loss of so many Syrranites (sp?). I hope several of them got away, and that T'pau is not the only survivor of her group. I'll add to this after I watch it a second time. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites