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The Hensens began their journey 10 years before "Q Who?"

7 was with the Borg for 18 years. She'd be around 23 or 24 when Voyager found her if not for the maturation chamber.

with the Maturation chamber she's maybe 30 something "biologically". But 1 thing for sure is she was 6 when assimilated & Icheb stated that 7 of 9 has been with the Borg for 18 years.

That's way past "Q Who?" episode.

2365 - 2373 is only 8 years apart, so by being with the Borg for 18 years, is already surpassed even the "Neutral Zone" episode.

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What Q said to Q2 was:  "Don't annoy the Borg!"

Actually he said,

Q: "Don't provoke the Borg."

not annoy, :blink:

1. the borg queen has always been there ever since the episode where picard becomes assimilated...

 

2. well janeway had no qualms about transporting a torpedo right next to thier energy matrix as soon as there shields were down....

some things i want to point out Vash,

1. The Queen existed at least 700 years before Picard met her. & there are unknown amount of Queens that died [in various ways] before the Borg met humans.

This is a logical assumption that the original race must have thought of using a Queen like figure to oversee their project.

2. Janeway wasn't planning to destroy that probe. She was trying to dissable it. It was an accident that it was too near the power matrix.

the correct term about why Janeway get to thrash Borg more then Picard, is strategy [yes] & more knowledge & understanding about Borg that helps them survive.

Borg vessels destroyed by Voyager personally, excluding Endgame:

1 Coffin shape Probe by accidently placing the torpedo near the power matrix.

1 Cube controled by 6 kids by sending a feedback pulse through the tractor beam.

1 Diamond by collapsing the Conduit it was in which imploded the ship.

That's all, the rest are either destroyed by someone else, or by natural anomalies.

Not to mentioned, that they just ran away to safety.

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I'm not sure where to put this thing, so I thought of posting it here first, lol

Its a timeline of Star Trek's story, i made from 15 billion years ago until 2379.

Green *** means discoveries without time intervention

Blue *** means there's time intervention.

Here they are. :lol:

Pre 2000

21st Century

22nd Century

23rd Century

24th Century

Hope u enjoy it :lol:

tell me what u think & if there's any suggestions, feel free to speak of it.

Ofcourse there are some unfinished things, I forgot to add in or something

so it'll be updated whenever I am free for it.

The term "lost"

is for Starfleet, not the Voyager crew.

Voyager is lost to starfleet until they made contact with them.

another way of thinking about lost is, the path they are going is unknown. That too in a way, is considered lost.

:)

Hi

uh what should i do, lol

:)

They need a break.

Acting & making new scenes & stuff aint easy.

Checkout that boy who acted as Marty in "Back to the Future".

He acted in both the movie & a series at the same time & he got really tired & was a miracle he didn't died then & also, he's acting skills are still good after the exaustion.

At least the 3rd part have where he gets to sleep,

Time traveling is quite simple to understand.

It work in various ways all at once.

- New timelines created & spread out

- timelines supporting other timelines

- time loops where reaction happens first before the action

- etc.

They are all happening at the same time. Once a time travel situation occurs.

Timeloops:

- First Contact in this Timeline we're watching would not occur without the Borg's intervention. "ST:FC"

- Earth's computer age comes from the 29th century technology salvaged by Henry Starling. "Future's End"

- DS9 crew helping TOS crew about something in "Tribbles"

- Voyager met their future echo in the presense of a Singularity. "Paralax"

- A planet got destroyed by Voyager's intervention even though Voyager just arrived to that planet. "Time & again"

Timeline supporting timelines:

- Alternate future Harry Kim saves another timeline's Voyager crew by stopping their slipstream flight. "Timeless"

- Alternate Admiral Janeway helps another timeline Voyager crew to get home faster. "Endgame"

- Alternate Tasha Yar gives birth to Sela to another Timeline. "Yesterday's Enterprise"

New timelines created & spread out:

- Every choices made is split to infinite possibilities of universes/timelines.

Personally, I think only series with Enterprise in it, will make it to the big screen.

:)

sort of like a Tradition.

So to see other series crew in a movie, u got to have the Enterprise in it., lol

Besides the Enterprise are the only ones that stays long enough for a movie.

DS9, the crew split up but their station is still there

Voyager, the crew split up & Voyager has 80% of becoming a museum.

There's not much to go for, in those 2 alone. :(

This is something I wrote when someone asked the same question. :(

so I hope this will do, lol

Though Voyager is my favorite of all, I still like the other series for what they are. Its just that Voyager had the advantage by being created after TNG & DS9, to improve on it.

 

The first time I watch Voyager, I was at Primary school age & I must have forgotten or didn't see the 1st 2 episodes, so i was confuse on why are they talking that getting home is such a hard thing to do. I once asked my brother why can't they just point to earth & go there at max. warp, surely should reach there in few days wherever they are. What I didn't realize is they are 70,000 light years away. I only realized it when they show the show again in my country when I reach 16 years old then I finally understood it & watch the series 6 times & keeping notes, sort off.

 

Ok, now for opinion on why I think its the best. with the Help of previous series & movies they have help make Voyager & future series to be very realistic, logical, more real knowledge on our own galaxy example: & more possible of things to be happening in reality.

 

TOS Helps bring the Star Trek to existence

TNG Helps bring the old ways to a more modern point of view

DS9 Helps in starting large fleet scenes & realistic dialogs

[mainly the small ships, their big ships still barely moves]

 

Movies Helps in the graphics part mainly the Borg,

[they made the Borg more beautiful in point of view, more cybernetic like, different races looking, its techs are more finalized & their history of a Queen's existence.]

 

Voyager Helps bring more realism in dialogs [especially after season 2], multi firing attacks, various new tech. graphics, Now even large vessels moves example 15 Cubes & Borg war with 8472, Interesting space faring life form & etc.

 

I know people say even in TNG there are multi-firing, but that is not multi firing its only rapid firing. What I mean by multi-firing is multiple arcs firing at the same time.

 

Possible spoiler in the continue of my view on Voyager. if you haven't seen the series.

 

The Story

Its a great & very unexpected one pretty unique in my opinion & original, there's no other stories that I know of that talks about the other corner of the galaxy.

 

A single & latest in design of a Federation Starship at that time, lost in the Delta Quadrant along side a Marquis Raider, 2 crews join as 1 & follows the Federation ways to keep track in mind of who & what they are.

 

The Caretaker a outer galaxy visitor hundreds or thousands of years ago visiting & unconditionally ruined a race's planet just by trying to help them.

 

New species encounters, Time travel situations, space life forms being injured & healed by them, challenging them in sex appeal, eating them, etc.

 

Closing to & Entering Borg Space, the Federations worst nightmare, aided & have a temporary alliance with the Borg, new understanding of the Borg's real hidden side that they barely show to other species. A better sign of possibility of bringing peace with the Borg. Thanks to Kes, they don't really have to worry of passing Borg space.

 

"People fear what they do not understand"

 

In TNG - DS9 - First Contact, we all see the Borg as a 100% totally non-feeling threatening race,

 

But when we meet them in their own home, talk with them, understand them. They turn out to be no different then any other species [except for their powerful tech & all], they are trying to survive, seeking knowledge, bringing their version of peace & perfection to other races. unfortunately their methods of doing so only scares other races & create enemies even in their own flanks [when drones get freed]. Most of all, they are emotional deep inside & through their Queen.

 

The Queen seeking a companion for both an equal & help to control the Collective "Unknown - Locutus - Data", sparing the remaining ship for 7 of 9 "Dark Frontier", wanting to strangle Janeway's hologram "Unimatrix Zero", 7's child released her when she represents pain, Drones taking care of one another, etc. Such a beautiful thing. This all shows that they do care, just not about non-assimilated beings, they have a strong bonding with one another thanks to the Hive-mind & that's what they want to share with other beings. I think they got addicted to it. :)

[That's what I love about them, threatening & peaceful at the same time]

 

It is not a sign of weakness but a potential in their being

 

7 of 9's journey in regaining her humanity, & knowledge of the Borg, interesting info, 7's & the doctor's 29th century child, 7's parents tale, etc.

 

A view of Borg Unicomplex, a realistic view that even the Borg have their own life other then assimilations, they got their problems with natural anomalies, Borg Renegades, Other races constantly finding ways to fight them, Races who ignores & hide from them, Races who thinks they are irrelevant "Species 8472", Races who met them in more peaceful times "Dragon's Teeth" 700 years ago, research to find Perfection like the Omega Particle "Particle 010", etc.

 

No direct missions from the Starfleet until after 4 years.

 

First Contacts being made in the Delta Quadrant, new technology achieved & discovered, Warp 10 tryout, Voyager being temporary assimilated [beautiful ], etc.

 

Story connections to past histories.

TOS - "Flashback" Tuvoks memories of that time

TNG - Mentions of Picard, Wolf 359, Intelligent Holograms, Barclay opening fissures with a deflector dish when he achieve great intelligent - in Voyager its opened by Q's son, Q's mentioned of Picard & Riker's visit

DS9 - Voyager started from DS9, The doctor heard about the Dominion in "Message in Bottle.

ST:First Contact - Borg encounter at that time mentioned by 7 of 9.

 

A view of TOS in modern graphics "Flashback"

 

A crew that really takes their ship seriously as a home. The Captain will go down with her ship. [Picard didn't get the chance with the Enterprise-D because he's on the planet.

 

It is a great show, something really to behold, [in my opinion]

 

I myself plan to buy the series, that is when the price decreases 

i didnt like that ep.. she was a poor actor...

Actually she's acting the way she should have.

Consider her life.

Contracting the phage, continous life as a doctor helping her kind, never had the chance for a loving life.

What do you expect her to act as?

Some species behaves differently, heck I won't be surprise if a race behave like bad acting. How would you know if that's their real behavior.

For 1 thing, we can't judge their behavior on our own behalf.

:(

Sorry for being late to continue on this, lol

I must have forgotten about it.

Anyway, here's a question for you who participated.

Captain Jean-Luc Picard

drwho42

WEAREBORG4102

Do you believe,

that when people encounter a species over & over again through out history but they can still forget about them later in the future?

In the current era, The Borg assimilate entire Civilizations, because they need "recruits" & also they want to share their Perfection with other races.

The reason they don't clone, is because current Borg Maturation Chambers are still slow in progress.

In the future, somewhere before the 29th Century, the Borg have developed a highly efficient Maturation Methods. As shown in "Drone"

This could lead to a possibility of new methods of Assimilation, because they don't need to assimilate the entire Civilizations anymore, they can clone their own ranks. So they can find a more peaceful way to find Perfection.

By leaving the encountered races alone, those races will continue to grow & evolve.

Every once a while, the Borg can just come & take what ever "offereings" that species have to offer. This way the Borg can have what they want [Perfection] & the Species have what they want [Freedom] too.

In terms of biology of that species, all they need is some volunteers to be assimilated so they can understand their biology. Better still, assimilation can be a new method of "execution" of prisoners. :)

or "Prison life" :(

Oh, in case u didn't noticed earlier, that episode u are refering to is "Drone"

Somewhere between the 25th - 29th Century.

The Federation & the Borg will be working together

But not by joining each side as a member of the Federation or the Collective.

But as distant, neighbours & allies. :lol:

The Borg would have learn more then they need to know about Individualism, that they decide to alter their method of perfection seeking, which is far better then full assimilation.

Does the word "refit" mean anything?

Here's an old theory of mine I wrote :o

One thing for sure,

The Borg began from a single organic species in the Delta Quadrant. They are one of those that views organic as a frailty & decide to embodied with technology to improve themselves,

 

Which eventually brought up the assimilation technology by using nanoprobes or something more crude to do it.

examples:

Total Annihilation - A race who decides to transfer their minds into machines, but some of their people disagrees & they went on a civil war.

Transformers - In Beast Wars & Machines talking about their history, they were once organic in some way [mainly their Sparks "Souls" or maybe something else before it], they uses mechanical bodies as vessels for their Sparks.

Protoss - Dragoons, they join the dead comrades into machines to continue the fight after death

Robocop - A dead officer being saved by technology "unwillingly".

 

 

Because of this they began to think of themself as being a superior race, to make it a reality they decided to improve themselves further by learning more from other races [science, culture, knowledge, etc]

 

At first maybe they tried the old fashion way of learning from others [chatting, negotiations 'like maybe with the Vaadwaurs'] according to 7, the data on them are fragmented or something. But finding this crude & inefficient, they take a more aggressive approach. Attaining knowledge by force which began the assimilation process [this is about the only thing special that is developed by the original race, the rest are all stolen from others]. After realizing how effective it is they began to grow greedier, hunger for more knowledge like an addiction & went out spreading further into the cosmos to gain more knowledge.

 

But maybe or not, the people had inside problems on how to proceed, they may still be individuals at this time 'except for those assimilated' & maybe or not they had a civil war on how they should proceed. But one way or the other, they have decided on a way to function. Their goal to seek for "Perfection" has arise, perfection in everything [Technology, Biology, Emotions, etc] But to do this they have to set aside their emotions to gain the ability to function without distraction. But they need an individual to coordinate their effort towards the future. Hence the first "Queen" is born.

 

Her function is to:

1.Coordinate the race (Orders, tactics, decisions, etc)

2.Handle Maintenance (Unimatrix 0 Mutation, etc)

3.Experiance emotions for the drones (<- etc. Locutus, Data, 7 of 9, etc. ->)

4.etc.

 

For thousands of centuries until the 24th century, The Borg have spread across 10,000 light-years, Assimilated & met over 10,026 species, technology enhanced all the way from the [unicomplexes to the Tactical Cube]

In "Q & the Grey" they already prove that mortals can go to the continuum by themself & Qs can be killed.

So if the Borg realizes the existence of Q, thy may find out how to do both & adept it to assimilate them.

:o

Dang forgot to login again, this site should really restrict guest from posting or warn us in some way first, lol

this is my 5 time this happened to me, lol

According to a Stardate Converter

Voyager started on April, 3 months away. So there's lacking in some episodes. :)

Before it reaches 2372.

That's only because Voyager got a head start, Those "Tech" are easily to be figuared out 1 day.

As we saw 3 scans by 3 Cubes, already anabled them to damage the armor quick, & then the Queen got more info on the armor & a single Sphere can damage them quick.

The best way to use this techs is to make quick destructions,

but since Voyager have to go pass over 30 vessels. There's no stopping the Borg from scanning them & adepting for future events.

So the Armor won't be as effective as it was first used. But it will provide more protection still, at least 20% extra :)

Well, Cube, Sphere, and Diamond ships.  However, I think they don't create a Borg Queen lair unless she boards the ship.  Other wise, scans would have produced some kind of "bridge" type place.

- About making a lair when she's onboard, is possible

- Scan of a Bridge??? why would they? its just another "Alcove" in another room, with other Alcoves. How would there be a difference in scans?

Who said it took 6 years to journey to Earth?  Most likely, she sends a cube towards Earth.  Just before engaging Starfleet, the cube constructs the Queen inside a lair, set up within the escape sphere.  So, you would have two Queens.  One in Unimatrix 01 and another within the cube's escape Sphere, ready to enter the past.

- Nah its just 1 Queen, When they make a Queen to replace another, they can do it anywhere. But when there is a replacement already, they won't create another body, she has to board a vessel & head to where she wants.

- About the 6 years, its all based on calculations.

We know that Transwarp Conduits are 20 times faster then earth's fastest.

Voyager takes 75 years to head back. 75 devide by 20 will be around 3.75 years. But that's with a Conduit, since there's no 1 straight Conduit all the way to the Alpha Q. so they have to use their normal Transwarp Drives too, which is slower.

Lets say around 5 year. But as usual "Borg Behavior" they are assimilating relevant things on their way, which delayed their journey abit.

Finally someone from the same country

what state are u from, Raja62 ?

Anyway, about the size

Ent-E is longer but

Ent-D is wider & taller

Galaxy Class

Length : 641 m

Beam : 470 m

Height : 145 m

Sovereign Class

Length : 680 m

Beam : 240 m

Height : 87 m

But my favourite is the Sovereign

When the next show shows about the Borg again. <_<

The next Borg episode is "Regeneration" from ENT's 2nd season, in case you missed it. It was a continuation of ST:FC in a way. Some think it brings the Borg full circle by explaining why the Borg became interrested in Humanity in the first place. The producers said that ST:FC "alterred" the timeline which probably leads to the NX-01 being called "Enterprise" to honor the people from the future who saved Earth and helped repair the Pheonix as well as leading to the episode "Regeneration". I believe the "reason" the Borg become interrested in Humanity changes from the result of a reconassiance mission to a 200-year-old Borg signal with Earth's coordinates.

Yeah I know about that episode, as u are well aware me mentioning it in my Borg Encounter theory.

What I mean by when the next show shows about Borg.

I mean judging by the timeline, after "2379" after Nemesis.

How would a 2373 Sphere show that they have survived a 2378 disaster? lol

Anyway, There are lots of Unimatrixes, hundreds of them, Though 01 is the main one, its lost is possibly considered insignificant.

"5 of 12 Secondary Adjunct of Trimatrix 942"

7's Borg boyfriend is from a "Trimatrix 942" That's already if I'm intreprating the words properly, "Tri" 3 generations of matrixes & reaches at least 942.

Unimatrix - 1 - ???

?matrix - 1 - ???

Trimatrix - 1 - 942 - ???

Its your second guess about Species 125 that is correct.

The reason i think every vessel & Hub has a lair is because of 2 reason.

1. in ST:FC we notice how they made a lair for her in the Ent-E, which signify its like a priority 1 for when the Queen is around.

2. Where's the logic in having only 1 lair????

That's the most illogical thing to do, The Queen don't ride on Diamonds alone, she can board any vessels. So far Cube & Diamond are the only known vessels she boarded.

anyway she needs to regenerate right???

So why would she be doing 6 years away from her precious Diamond??? heading to earth? Where would she regenerate?

How would the ship have fared if 7 of 9 were captain I'll bet that they would have fared a lot better built a transwarp drive and other such things !

 

opinions?

Truthfully, there's a very slim chance for survival. Mainly, people will be bored to death first.

& about building new drives. They can't just do that even if she's captain or not.

They don't got the right things, otherwise she'd made 1 for them already, rather then bother stealing one in the Sphere.