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Um... the nebula battle scene exclusive to TWOK? See Insurrection. I don't mean to compare it to TWOK movie-wise, but when I think of nebula battle, Insurrection's first in my mind... but I've seen it more. I do not think it is the better film, because it isn't.

 

I wasn't aware Kahn had been used in TOS, but I haven't seen TOS. I just figured, with the TNG movies being "limited" to the command crew (and Guinan, in Generations); that is, no Q; the TOS movies would have been mostly independent of elements from the series and stood on their own as much as possible. As such, I didn't realize Chekov's part was a mistake, and I enjoyed it more for having not seen the TOS episode.

 

I agree with many of the points made about TWOK. I think of it like I think of the original Star Wars. I don't like ST1:TMP at all... I thought it was dull and boring. When I think of the Star Trek film saga, I think of II-VI. (The TNG movies don't count - they all stood on their own.) II leads into III, III leads into IV, IV weakly leads into V with the introduction of the Ent-A, and I can't remember the connection between V and VI; if I remember correctly, VI is connected to the events in III...? Kirk set up by the Klingons, because they want justice for what happened in III? I've only seen VI once, but will see it again shortly, as my girlfriend and I are watching the ST films, and we just watched V last night. So II-VI sort of make a saga, but like the original Star Wars, ST2:TWOK stands on its own. It didn't really need a sequel, or even ST1... if ST2:TWOK was the only Trek film they made about Kirk's crew before Generations, it would have been just as effective, just as good. You can't say that about any of the others in the saga; they all kind of depended on the others.

 

Honestly I like all of them, including III and V. I don't understand why these are commonly rated lower than the others, but that's for another post.

I thought command officers wore red, technical and security wore yellow, and science and medical wore blue. Worf may have been there as security chief, but he was definitely in the command family. He was, after all, captain of the Defiant in ST8:FC.

Data was one of my favorite TNG characters, but I don't think they should bring him back. He had a good ending, and if they wanted to save him, they should have thrown a little hint in there to indicate that he WAS coming back. Such as with Spock; in TWOK just before he sacrificed himself, he touched McCoy and said "Remember". At the time the audience didn't understand, but it was something.

 

I don't like the idea of Q or the Romulans sneaking him back - that just sounds like a stretch. The only way I can think of doing it, is if they found another android like Data - was Lore ever destroyed? - and erased its memories, and copied over exactly what was transferred from Data to B4. In modern computer terms, let's say they transferred to B4 a single file, like a BIN, ISO, ZIP/RAR, etc. B4 has his own memories, etc., in the form of other files, but rather than "unpacking" Data's, he leaves it as a singular archive which he can access. This all doesn't need to be explained to an audience, but it could explain how the same file could be transferred to another android, and unpacked - the android awakens thinking he IS Data. We also have something like that today - Acronis TrueImage. I can make an "Image" of my C drive, erase it, and then restore that image - it's like I've never touched it. Or I could restore it on a second computer, and aside from Windows detecting all kinds of new hardware, I'd have the same Windows installation and everything set up just the same.

 

I really like Patrick Stewart as an actor, but I don't think TNG should have another film. True, they only had 4 to TOS's 6 or 6.2 (if you want to count Generations), but TOS ended its run in Generations; TNG in Nemesis. In my opinion, the best option for a new film would involve a new Starfleet crew consisting of TNG, DS9, and Voyager people on the Enterprise-E or Deep Space Nine. Also in my opinion, an ENT film would be a mistake.

IMDb link

 

I dunno, I just saw it on the cover of Entertainment Weekly. My girlfriend has a subscription, so I may read up on it. I'd like to see a movie with Siddig in it.

 

Oh wow, I have. I saw Reign of Fire, but didn't think much of it.

I remember collecting all of those Taco Bell glasses back then when the movie came out. I believe there were a total of 4 different glasses. I had to eat a lot of burritos to get them.....

What'd you have to do to get a glass? Fill out a punch card or something? You don't want to know how many burritos I'd eat for glasses from II or IV. If the fourth were from I or V I wouldn't bother... maybe for VI but it would depend on what it looked like... but II, III, and IV were my favorite "Kirk" movies in Trek.

 

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Here's some more for ya.

 

 

 

Troi wasn't in the way on the bridge at all. Picard was always asking her what people on the other ship, or down on the planet, were thinking.

 

I don't know about their range, but Troi could read people on other ships or down on a planet. I think she had to see them, though.

 

I wouldn't be surprised if Betazoids had a way of channeling their psychic energy.

 

We don't know much about them, or at least I don't by my experience, but they seem like more of a peaceful people. It wouldn't seem that battle would be their forte.

 

It's the one in the middle, between the two I got at the Star Trek Experience in Las Vegas a few years ago. The Generations and Insurrection DVDs behind the glasses are mainly there as a size reference.

 

On the front, it's got three pictures of Spock in various stages of development: in the middle, fully grown, to the left, as a teenager, and to the right, as a child as David and Savik find him, with SPOCK LIVES under it. On the back, the title, "Star Trek III: The Search for Spock", the header SPOCK LIVES (in smaller text), followed by the text "Through the wonders of the Genesis effect, the lifeless body of Captain Spock evolves from an infant to a grown man in a matter of days." Picture of Spock's torpedo tube below that, then the copyright info... it's got what appears to be a radar on one side, and TACO BELL on the other. I guess in the 1980s, you could get cool stuff at Taco Bell when they had promotions.

 

She got it at a thrift store... so it's used, but it's in very good condition. I love it. :P

Here's something that might convince some of you who haven't been, to go, that it's worth it. When I went, I got two glasses. The shotglass you see on the left, and the tall glass you see on the right. The one in the middle, my girlfriend got me... It's something else. But I really, really like my Trek glasses. I don't remember the prices, but I don't think they were entirely unreasonable; if nothing else consider they're glasses you can't get anywhere else. And they've held up 3-4 years plus a cross-country move.

 

The Generations and Insurrection DVDs are just there for a size reference.

 

Ugh, another "how hot is the Trek actor" thread...

 

He's cool... Data has always been one of my favorite Trek characters. I spotted him in Independence Day, but missed him in Phenomenon. I see on IMDb that he was also in The Aviator, so when I see that, I'll have to look for him.

Well, FWIW, IMDb has no mention of either a Predator or Robocop remake. And they tend to get pages up for movies as soon as they're announced.

 

There IS an entry for "Predator (2005)" but it's a 7-minute short film with a rather disturbing tagline... what they're making it sound like doesn't sound like something that would be legal in the US/UK.

With the assistance of the FBI, CIA, or other government agency which could grant me immunity, I could take down a fair bit of perverts on the Net. I've talked about this before, and it's basically what the RIAA and MPAA are doing to bust people for sharing music or movies. I'd work entirely out of the FBI or CIA office so as to remove any liability, dually so have a signed promise of immunity from a high court... then use gov't computers to download all the child porn on the file sharing networks... index it, sort it, weed out the "fake" files... note what's what, and then put it back in the shared folder... and have a program tracing the IP of anyone who tried to download the file. I'd run a modified version of the program (e.g. eMule, as it's open-source) which would only allow 100kb or 10% of the file, whichever came first, to transfer, before cutting that person off and blacklisting them, allowing another pervert to begin downloading... Do this for three months, shut down the server, and give the local DA the list of IPs to trace, bust all those people on posession.

 

Of course, I realize not everyone looking that stuff up on the Net is actually going to hurt a child, and I don't exactly believe everyone just looking at it should be shot... but if they did do some time or some community service, it would be a hell of a deterrent. Now people who actually hurt kids, should be shot... I'm all for vigilante justice in cases like that.

Will do and have done...

 

And I don't mean to speak for board policy, but as I run a forum running the same software, the admins do have the ability to disable PMs on a user-by-user basis. You can actually disable your own PMs (you can't send or receive) but the mods can set it so you can turn it back on, or so you can't. Like I said, I don't speak for board policy, so I'm not trying to say that's what VBG et al will do... it's just within their abilities. On my side, if someone were spamming via PM, I'd invoke that method. :biggrin: There's a certain unwritten, very unofficial forum ettiquette which exists online, and in most cases, you can drop a link in your signature, or post in an "other sites" area if one is made available... but you don't spam via PMs. That's not kosher.

If you use Mozilla Firefox to browse the Net, there is an easier way. Get the Imageshack Transloader extension. Because, for security purposes, Firefox may not allow you to install from sites other than Mozilla, you may have to save the file to your hard drive and then File>Open File to get it installed. Reboot Firefox, and then any image you want to post, right click and choose "Upload to Imageshack", and it will open Imageshack in a new tab and give you the codes and the direct-link URL.

 

Another option... Make a new bookmark with the following as the location:

 

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Trust me, it works. Sounds silly, but when you access that bookmark, it sucks all the images from the site into a new tab, and clicking any of them will transload it to Imageshack.

 

Lastly, if you just go to http://www.imageshack.us and click on "Need to transload an image?", it will ask for the URL to the image. Right click on the image you want to transload, choose Properties, highlight the URL, right click, and choose Copy. Go back to the Imageshack page, right click in the URL entry field and choose Paste.

 

No need to even download the image to your computer. :biggrin:

 

And lastly, let it be known, this is not to contradict anything the mods/admins have posted here... it's just neutral tech advice.

In Nemesis, the Remans (Romulans?) imply they found B4 and added to him. Though non-canon, a novel implying that they actually made him would seem to contradict what is said in the film.

You can watch a lot more if you have the episodes downloaded or on DVD/VHS than you can if they're on TV; it's 45 minutes versus an hour per episode.

 

My record is nine, and that was with Star Trek: Deep Space Nine. With Voyager, I only got up to five episodes per cycle (from waking up to going to sleep). I also once watched seven DS9 episodes while my girlfriend was at work, then watched two TNG episodes with her when she got home.

 

Since I finished DS9 I've never watched more than 1-3 a day because that's all my girlfriend can do. :biggrin: No sense in me skipping ahead... though I guess nothing's stopping me from going back and watching my favorite DS9 or Voyager episodes again.

I don't think I've ever seen John De Lancie outside of Star Trek. I'm not sure anyone else could have done Q as well as he did. Great character... annoying, but he was supposed to be.

Wasn't he called a "Green blooded, pointy-eared Hobgoblin? ......Oh wait.....thats just what McCoy called him.............never mind...............

So THAT'S all of it! I love the scene in ST2:TWOK when McCoy starts with "Why you green blooded poiny eared..." and then is interrupted, and Spock just raises his eyebrow.

 

That's why it is so full of fun just watching Spock and McCoy. I don't know why they don't come up with great characters like that again.

They have... Geordi and Data, Picard and Riker, Odo and Quark, Bashir and O'Brien, Janeway and Chakotay, Paris and Kim... The Trek universe is full of great characters who play off one another. I give TOS mad props for doing it with so little flash and flair (all they had in the 1960s) but at the same time I find it hard to watch. BUT... I kinda think Spock is the coolest character they've made. Data, Odo, Holodoc, and Tuvok all pay tribute, but none come close to Spock. :biggrin:

Doesn't matter to me, shouldn't matter to the real fans. I'm happy for him that he's been with one person for 18 years and is still happy in that relationship.

 

Regarding the above drive-by post by the guy with the numbers, it's a little known fact that people who believe sexuality is a choice are in fact bisexual themselves and ashamed of their attraction to the same gender, so they adamantly choose heterosexuality, and in their defensiveness, they lash out by saying gays choose homosexuality, but they give themselves away every time. Being a heterosexual, I know I never made a choice to be straight. I just am. And I've talked to a few homosexuals who say the same thing about being gay, they never had a choice. Those who can choose, and because choice is in their nature, assume we all make a choice, are by definition bisexual. Though many (most?) bisexuals are openly attracted to both, don't feel the need to choose one or the other until they get into a serious relationship with someone, they can't have "one of each" any more than a straight guy in a serious relationship can be engaged to a brunette but have a blonde on the side.

I was just wondering, because I decided to put the Spock quote in my Signature on a few boards. I know he was referred to as "Mr. Spock" on TOS, but didn't he hold the rank of Commander? I'm not familiar with TOS, so I don't know this for sure. I know he was Captain in a couple of the movies, and he was Ambassador to Vulcan in the TNG days, which is more what I know. (Trek-wise, Spock-wise, it's from the movies, not the TNG episodes he appeared in.)

 

I know most people will just know Spock is but I was curious what he is technically.

Best finale for sure! (Though I haven't seen the TOS and ENT finales.)

 

I still prefer "Children of Time" as my favorite DS9 episode, but I'm a sucker for those time-elapsed episodes. "What You Leave Behind" is a very good episode, though.

 

"All Good Things" is a longtime favorite of mine, from when TNG was the only finale I'd seen. It's still a favorite overall. "Endgame" was a disappointment... It had its moments, but the ending was kind of a letdown, and it had zero closure. So many questions left unanswered. After "What You Leave Behind", I want nothing more to do with DS9 (other than to watch it all again when my girlfriend and I get done with TNG) but because it was so complete, from the start to the finish. (I almost cried when it was all over.)

Wow, a bit harsh on Oliver Stone, guys! Actually, when I read that, I said "Well screw Oliver Stone then!". I haven't seen many of his films, but I did like Natural Born Killers, and maybe a couple others. I won't slam his films because he doesn't like Star Trek, and his opinion of Trek actors differs from mine. I do, however, credit Ridley Scott, even though I like a few of his movies (such as Gladiator, Hannibal) regardless of his feelings about Trek actors. I have been meaning to see Kingdom of Heaven; I'll have to look for Siddig.

 

And I did know that Malcolm McDowell is his uncle.

 

I liked Bashir. Maybe not at first, but both he and Mirror Bashir turned out really cool. And it was a (pleasant) surprise to see the interview with him, it's the Mirror Bashir he looks like IRL... not the clean-cut regular Bashir.

Yeah... I don't even care for the original series, and I'll say you can't touch Bones. I didn't much care for Beverly... Bashir was cool, but more of a buddy type guy than doctor most of the time... Holodoc, well, you either love him or you hate him. And I don't know anything about ENT's doc or even what his or her name is. I do like the Holodoc, but Bones... well, from the movies, anyway, was quite a character.

 

If you (the original poster) meant that the doctor wasn't a physical person born of sin (so to speak), then no. He's based on a "real" person, Dr. Louis Zimmerman, who is in a couple Voyager episodes and one Deep Space Nine episode ("Dr. Bashir, I Presume"). The EMH is in that one as well, but it's not Voyager's Holodoc, it's one of the many countless EMH's aboard starships. (There's an EMH on the Enterprise-E; he's called in Star Trek: First Contact; again, same actor.)

 

But to be specific, the Holodoc's "persona" was defined by his programming complemented with his experiences on Voyager. And he was able to move freely about the ship only after an episode where a 29th century "holographic emitter" was acquired somehow (I know but won't spoil it).

I voted for Naomi first because no one else did... :lol: but second because it was cool how she was born on the ship, sort of grew up as "everyone's kid" being that Voyager became a big family, and in the last episode, you meet either her daughter or granddaughter... and third because her relationship with Seven was really well played out. And I'd have to say she was the best "kid" character... a lot more realistic, as I understand kids, than Wesley and Jake (from TNG, and DS9, respectively). Of course they were older... OK, she was more realistic than I remember Alexander on TNG.

 

I liked Tuvok and Seven a lot for how they think and reason. Janeway and Chakotay were both good leaders, and Paris and Kim were a good buddy team. Neelix wasn't bad, not nearly as bad as some make him out to be. I would have gotten along great with him. With Janeway, he kept the coffee flowing, and I likes me coffee.

Would Chakotay really have been in such a hurry to get back to the Alpha Quadrant? Remember, Starfleet was hunting the Maquis. Chakotay, Torres, and the others got a good deal being on Voyager in the Delta Quadrant while the Maquis were being wiped out... though they would have chosen to die with their comrades, I'm betting they're all pardoned upon returning to the AQ. Especially since they've all learned or relearned the values that make a good Starfleet officer, and are good Starfleet officers themselves, if a bit rougish.

 

I would have to say no. Chakotay would have made a fine Captain, and Janeway is better suited for the position of Admiral than Captain, but given the circumstances, I thought Janeway was the best choice for Captain on that ship. I have no doubt about that.

 

Sorry, but Tuvok would have made a terrible Captain. Unless the whole crew were Vulcans, Romulans, androids, and holograms. Vulcans are excellent at most things, but their patience with Humans and other "lesser" races is not one of them. Tuvok had a lot of good qualities, and he was OK to lead here and there, but for the whole trip? No way. Now, Harry Kim was a bit immature on Voyager, but he would have matured into an excellent Captain (and this played out, in one episode).