athena28 2 Posted October 5, 2007 (edited) I just read this quote from DragonCon (Sept. '07). Frakes, Spiner and McFadden expressed pride for all 178 episodes of the show ... well, except for "Code of Honor," which Frakes said was "so racist." "Oh yeah, that was embarrassing," Spiner concurred. What do you think or what did you think when you first saw it? Edited October 5, 2007 by athena28 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mr.Picard 12 Posted October 5, 2007 Well I think it's certainly not really one of TNG's finest episodes... :) It is kinda racist, yes... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TJ Phaserman 2 Posted October 6, 2007 i kinda didn't really see the complete context until spike kept showing the episode. it's really racist to even have black people degrade themselves like that. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
star_rose 0 Posted October 6, 2007 I think that this episode was written 20 years ago... indeed, the society was very different from now , the women had less rights and they were considered less than the men. :) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TJ Phaserman 2 Posted October 7, 2007 well i just think that they just had to episode to represent black people of acutal african desent. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
star_rose 0 Posted October 7, 2007 but it is only a work of fantasy! for example, I'm Italian, and I see that there are the Romulans, with an empire and a senate, which could represent a sort of a new Roman empire in the future... also, I should say that they have a negative opinion of my ancistors.... :) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
athena28 2 Posted October 8, 2007 I didn't see the racism But I haven't watched it in a very long time. Guess I'll have to rewatch it when it comes on. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kor37 9 Posted October 8, 2007 I don't see anything racist about the episode. I think its just Frakes, Spiner and McFadden being overly politically correct......... :) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
VaBeachGuy 12 Posted November 2, 2007 I think that this episode was written 20 years ago... indeed, the society was very different from now , the women had less rights and they were considered less than the men. <_< I don't think society was all that different in 1987 vs. 2007. It wasn't THAT long ago lol Anyway, racist? I'd have to watch it again to see that connection. I've never made the connection in the past but I do believe it to be the worst episode of any of the entire series. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
star_rose 0 Posted November 2, 2007 I think that this episode was written 20 years ago... indeed, the society was very different from now , the women had less rights and they were considered less than the men. <_< I don't think society was all that different in 1987 vs. 2007. It wasn't THAT long ago lol Anyway, racist? I'd have to watch it again to see that connection. I've never made the connection in the past but I do believe it to be the worst episode of any of the entire series. I say this because I'm Italian! In 1987, for example, we had a few of black people, in 2007 we have a lot of them. The culture has changed because the population has changed. And also the points of views have changed.... In 1987 a black woman was considered here as an inopportune visitator, many of them finished on the streets in the nights,.... Today, a black woman isn't any more a whore, she has a black husband and her childs. There are a real black families now, obviously they have manual jobs and they cannot study as the white people, but the situation is better than once, because they are precious for the industries. Perhaps for the American people this seems very strange, but it is true.... Therefore I believe that there could be another worlds which are more primitive than the Earth. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
youbroughtheryouRiker 2 Posted November 12, 2007 When I first saw it on Spike, I definitely noticed the parallels to the old tribal African kingdoms, and maybe even a slight dig at Islamic societal structures. Watching it again just now, I don't think it was digging at Islam much. More like "how does humanity deal with an element out of its own past?" Honestly, I think it came off more as sexist than racist, and even then I didn't think it was that sexist. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
oldfan1 0 Posted November 13, 2007 I think it's just political correctness running rampant as it does in Hollyweird these days. If hey really felt so strongly about the episode they could have refused to be a part of it and been written out of the episode. Pure PC BS. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Stephen of Borg 2 Posted November 13, 2007 I never really thought of it as racist, but I guess I can see where some might think so. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dabo Queen 0 Posted December 1, 2007 I was so busy expressing rage/disgust about Tasha's general r-tardedness during that episode that I must've completely missed the racial implications. Sorry...I just REALLY hate Tasha. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
star_rose 0 Posted December 1, 2007 I don't understand what has made Tasha wrong. She was a warrior, perhaps somebody thinks that the beautiful women do not combat.... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SeeingEyeBorg 0 Posted December 26, 2007 I don't see anything racist about the episode. I think its just Frakes, Spiner and McFadden being overly politically correct......... I concur. I think you have to pay close attention to the dialogue in order to see why it's not racist. There was no degradation. Yareena's husband was simply plotting her death so as to inherit all her stuff--we've seen that throughout human history in every culture. When Yareena's husband is exposed, she promptly puts him in his place and the audience realizes who really runs that planet: women. It's said over and over again in the ep that "women own the land" and that their hubbies "just protect it." And when a hubby F%@*s up, that hubby gets replaced at once---and in front of company, no less! I thought that episode to be highly pro-women, and that that would be what offended people...if they were to find anything offensive at all. The ending was also most delightful, when Yareena restores order to her house and her new husband talks about how their culture prizes and excels in being civilized. So while we were all thinking "My God, what a backward race," we weren't paying close attention to the inner workings of their society. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SeeingEyeBorg 0 Posted December 26, 2007 I don't understand what has made Tasha wrong. She was a warrior, perhaps somebody thinks that the beautiful women do not combat.... IMO, Tasha wasn't beautiful. :lol: She wasn't a warrior either. :lol: Deanna Troi was beautiful. Jadzia Dax was beautiful and a true warrior. Tasha Yar was the failed attempt at eye candy. It was 1987, as people keep pointing out, and even though 20 years later our society keeps trying to insist that skinny blondes are more beautiful that all other women, it was believed then more so than now. Deanna Troi, bless her, busted that theory within just a few eps, AND SHE DID IT WITH FREAKISHLY FRIZZED HAIR. And Gates McFadden represented on the behalf of redheads everywhere. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
VaBeachGuy 12 Posted March 18, 2008 I was so busy expressing rage/disgust about Tasha's general r-tardedness during that episode that I must've completely missed the racial implications. Sorry...I just REALLY hate Tasha. I couldn't agree more, I didn't like her character at all and that episode was just so bad that all I could see was how bad it was. Anything else about the episode was lost in the "badness" of it all. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dabo Queen 0 Posted March 19, 2008 I was so busy expressing rage/disgust about Tasha's general r-tardedness during that episode that I must've completely missed the racial implications. Sorry...I just REALLY hate Tasha. I couldn't agree more, I didn't like her character at all and that episode was just so bad that all I could see was how bad it was. Anything else about the episode was lost in the "badness" of it all. Thanks, Kevs! <3 ...I can call you "Kevs", right? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
VaBeachGuy 12 Posted March 19, 2008 Thanks, Kevs! <3 ...I can call you "Kevs", right? Sure, after all when I was a little kid (4 or 5 years old) my brothers and their friends used to call me Sklev. Don't ask me why though... lol Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dabo Queen 0 Posted March 19, 2008 Sure, after all when I was a little kid (4 or 5 years old) my brothers and their friends used to call me Sklev. Don't ask me why though... lol Kevs it is...though I'll try to make it more respectful and call you 'Ambassador Kevs'. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lady Britannia 0 Posted March 20, 2008 It's one of the worst Star Trek episodes ever produced. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
VaBeachGuy 12 Posted March 20, 2008 Sure, after all when I was a little kid (4 or 5 years old) my brothers and their friends used to call me Sklev. Don't ask me why though... lol Kevs it is...though I'll try to make it more respectful and call you 'Ambassador Kevs'. "President" might fit better.. ::Puffs chest out trying to look smug (but just looking silly):: After all I am President of the Federation... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kor37 9 Posted March 20, 2008 Sure, after all when I was a little kid (4 or 5 years old) my brothers and their friends used to call me Sklev. Don't ask me why though... lol Kevs it is...though I'll try to make it more respectful and call you 'Ambassador Kevs'. "President" might fit better.. ::Puffs chest out trying to look smug (but just looking silly):: After all I am President of the Federation... I'll stick with....."The Creator"......... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Krothos 0 Posted April 7, 2008 At "Mountain-CON: Episode III" a convention in Salt Lake City, Utah on September 21 - 23, 2007: I saw Garret Wang (Ensign Harry Kim, VOY) there and he was talking about when TNG first came on he decided to try to watch it and the first episode he caught was "Code of Honor". He didn't like it so he stopped watching the show. When re-runs came on he'd decide he'd try again, every-time he tried this it was "Code of Honor" airing. When he got picked for the role of Harry Kim, to learn about modern Star Trek they had him watch one episode per season of TNG. Season 1's tape of the stack of tapes they gave him was on top and he stuck it in the VCR. The episode title read "Code of Honor". He had told the makers of Voyager is story with TNG before. So he called the guy that gave him the tapes and he answered bursting with laughter. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SeeingEyeBorg 0 Posted April 8, 2008 All Hail President Kevs. *Sniff* Share this post Link to post Share on other sites