Maybe Revamping Vulcan Culture -

[Theunicornhunter 2]

I watched Journey to Babel today. When Sarek holds out his hand to Amanda, who is talking to the son she hasn't seen in four years, and says "Wife, attend me" and she stops and marches over to his side I just about gagged.

 

There were some definite 60's ideas of gender roles in that episode. I wouldn't want to stick with that "canon".

 

I did like Spock's definition of what it means to be Vulcan - committed to logic and the general good. Duty before personal benefit

 

And I hate to nitpick but just can't help myself....couldn't they have put Sarek in stasis until they reached facilities to do the operation?

 

But the real glaring issue was when they said the alien ship was traveling at warp 10.

[Tina 0]

are you refering to the Vulcans on Enterprise or in ST as a whole?

[Theunicornhunter 2]

One of the complaints about ENT is that has changed how Vulcans are portrayed. They were the bad guys in the first season of ENT. What I meant was that after watching Sarek give orders to his dutiful, obedient little wife I won't miss the Vulcan culture of the TOS era, which was different than TNG and theoretically ENT Vulcans should be more like TOS.

[Tina 0]

Thats one of MY BIG problems with the show..

 

Also whouldn't the Klingons be like the ones on TOS also?

[Valeris 2]

I do not believe in evolution, but even if I did, I cannot believe that Klingons and Vulcans could have evolved that much in such a short amont of time. I agree that it is quite stange. And TUH, I agree with the whole "gender roles" thing. At least Roddenberry was ahead of his time enough to originally cast a female as second in command, even though no one would air it at first.

[A l t e r E g o 9]

I do not for a minute think what we've seen with the Vulcans represents "evolution" in the traditional since. What we are seeing is, in the beginning, an arrogant self righteous better than every one else in the quadrant species known as Vulcans who think themselves Kings of the walk, they consider themselves superior to all of gods creation thanks to almightily logic.

 

Now, along comes Humans, Humans are totally different from most species in this neck of the woods. Humans are totally different from most ever species ever they've encountered. Closet thing to Us in the quadrant are the Andorrians

 

Ok so the Vulcans at least have sense enough to try and prevent what went wrong with the Andies from happing with these new kids on the block (US) but just barley. The mistake with the Andors was judging them mentally inferior to themselves thus leading to War.

 

Blah blah blah... So what does this have to do with it? Simple, the producers have set up this early conflict 1. Because it makes for better story telling BUT 2. Because we the audience will now be able to witness the evolution of the relationship towards the Peace we enjoy in future times. THAT imo is achieving the noblest Star Trek Theme. I look forward to seeing details of the process of conflict becoming peace.

[mj 7]

... the producers have set up this early conflict 1. Because it makes for better story telling BUT 2. Because we the audience will now be able to witness the evolution of the relationship towards the Peace we enjoy in future times. THAT imo is achieving the noblest Star Trek Theme. I look forward to seeing details of the process of conflict becoming peace.

I agree with this perception...that the relationship was originally one of condescension, and had to develop into one of mutual respect. The problem of Vulcan arrogance has been hinted at in the other series, without that ever meaning they were considered "bad." Other species get annoyed with their logic, but also respect it (as was seen in Journey to Babel in TOS). One of the details I like is the fact that the different species had to get used to each others' "smell"....remember T'pol had to have help dealing with the way humans smelled to her? The relationships between the species had to grow over time.

 

Why would everyone expect the various species to become friends instantly and effortlessly? This approach is more honest.

 

As for the fact that TOS reflects the roles of women in the sixties, there were no women starship commanders in Star Fleet during the TOS era, and when one lady tried to take over from Kirk, it turned out she was mentally off. The Star Trek saga reflected the times, and grew with the times, some things for the better, like women commanders in Star Fleet, and some things for the worse (half-naked T'pol).