tbree_dVelnahr

I'd just like to add to the list the mind-meld between Sarek and Picard, when Sarek needed help to control his emotions - I wish I could remember the name of the epidode.

 

What I find most interesting is that in Enterprise's time, mind melds were considered unacceptable, but by the time of TOS, they're common.

The episode you seek is simply "Sarek". I have no idea which season it is in.

T'Bree

I've been on this site before, but it has been awhile. Thanks for the link!

T'Bree

I'm busy working on the Star Trek series.

Are you aware that TOS will be re-released with season sets late this year or early next year?

Yes, I am aware of this but I've already got the first 22 disks in the TOS series and I'd like them all to match. I'm just funny that way. Besides, it's nice to get something other than a bill in the mail ever four to six weeks ...

T'Bree

I'm curious to know what your source is for that bit of news. Since Paramount owns Trek it is difficult for me to perceive another source being allowed to sell the series like that. To my knowledge, tvland doesn't even have any trek under lease, do they? At any rate, I'm content to get my dvds one at a time.

T'Bree

Eh, I finally decided to keep the movies seperate from the series, so I have STAR TREK, STARGATE, and movies.

 

tbree_dVelnahr, are there any other shows, Trek or not, that you plan to get on DVD?

Actually, at this time I have no plans to collect another series. I'm busy working on the Star Trek series. But I already have a partial set of the old Kung Fu series on vhs, they only released so many, and I am now the proud owner of the series set, Firefly. I might eventually go after M*A*S*H or even Perry Mason, but I don't have any current plans at the moment to pursue these. I prefer collecting movies, actually, and few tv series I've watched over the years have touched my soul enough to watch them over and over, let alone prompt me to purchase them.

T'Bree

As far as I'm concerned, there is no contest, Wrath of Khan far outranks First Contact!

T'Bree

I think what might have kept Star Trek V from being a runaway hit was the ending. We were built up for a moment, yet when we got around the corner, nothing was there. It was anti-climatic in the sense we felt unfulfilled at the end. They didn't find God, nor was there an adequate explanation for the failure. Nor did we learn just who or what that evil entity captured on the planet was. Too many loose ends to satisfy the audience. This had nothing to do with it being a so-called stand alone story. All of the original series' episodes were stand alone . This movie just lacked that powerful ending we have come to expect from Trek. But I still watch it and enjoy it for the great moments between characters. I'd give this film a three out of five stars. It isn't the greatest movie experience, but then again I've seen much worse out there! And it does have some wonderful moments.

T'Bree

I have never been real happy with how Kirk died. He should have died alone like he said he would. If he wasn't going to die alone he should have died on his ship in battle..If he wasn't going to die alone he should of at least died in space..I could almost accept him dying on that damn bridge if Picard wasn't there! He's always known that he would die alone!

 

I guess it could have been worse..He could have been killed by a phaser blast in the back..! At least he made a difference one last time..But I'll never be happy with how he died and I still don't see why did he have to die?! I'll always believe that they were trying to pass the torch to TNG movies..And for some reason they thought that couldn't happen if Kirk didn't die!

Whether or not that is why Kirk had to die in Generations, to pass the so-called torch, it affected me in the same way and I found myself resenting his death as a cheap manipulation. He should have been alone and better still, why not just let him fade into the nebula (ie ride off into the sunset) as the way of all legends? I would have preferred them leaving him out of the TNG movies altogether, it just didn't seem right to me. But then I never mix my peas with my mashed potatoes, either, lol.

T'Bree

I think one of my favorite parts in a Trek movie is from Star Trek VI: The Undiscovered Country,when Spock slaps the phaser out of Valeris' hand once he discovers she is the culprit! It was powerful and frightening to experience the wrath of Spock! Gives me chills every time, as well as when he mind melds with her on the bridge to garner the much needed and stubbornly withheld information regarding the conspiracy and the upcoming peace conference. Powerful, powerful stuff going on ...

T'Bree

Rumors floated heavily about there being five different possible endings to TWOK years ago when it was due out. One of them was Spock's demise. However, I was unable to see it the first weekend it opened and had to wait for the second weekend! Before that day arrived, we had company and as my friend was stepping over the threshold to my home she spoiled my anticipation by telling me of Spock's death. So when I first saw it I found myself watching and waiting for the moment he "got it". When at last he did die, I sat stunned. It wasn't until future viewings that I found myself sobbing and that was during the funeral scene when Scotty blasted out "Amazing Grace" on his bagpipes and Saavik openly wept. Now I cry whenever I hear that tune, what's with that? But it was a most powerful scene, a movie moment to be sure. You know a story is good when it provokes emotions in the audience. TWOK is still my favorite Trek movie of all time.

T'Bree

Lol, I have no idea why I'm divulging this, but I have collected the only Trek I watch and enjoy, TOS. I have about one and a third sets of the episodes; the complete series on vhs, with the movies, all six of them on the shelf in the home office closet. These I have shelved by stardate ranging from smallest to largest, since I messed up the shipping order years ago, lol. The partial series of the same on dvd resides on a shelf in the hallway for easy access, in the numerical order of the disks, along with several versions (including one director's version and three collectors versions besides the theatrical release versions) of the first five movies, and a space for ST:VI once I get it on dvd. My collection of the TOS novels is on another set of shelves right next to it also in its respective numerical order, where there is one. I do not collect the other series, but if I did, I would keep them in their respective orders and in their respective series with their movies in order after, no mixing and matching for this girl, lol! Okay, now that you know I'm a type A personality I'll just retire to the other room and watch an episode or two of Trek ... Scotty, beam me up!

T'Bree

Shatner playing Kirk's ancestor is a good idea. Or, alternatively someone else playing Cadet/Ensign Kirk comes aboard, and as he leaves (Re-assigned?) he turns to Captain Archer and says -

 

"I've got to get me one of these..."

The problem with bringing an "Ensign Kirk" aboard is that the time frame is all wrong. Kirk was only in his thirties, early thirties at that, when he took over the Enterprise. And the prequel, Enterprise, purportedly takes place about 100 years before Kirk's time. As for the TCW arch ... let's just not go there, I want to keep this friendly.

T'Bree

I've only actually watched a handful of episodes of The Practise, but I can tell you it is engaging. I will definately be tuning in or at least taping it to catch Shatner's performances. And yes, his roll as the Big Head or whatever he was called in Third Rock was over the top --- but then again the show required it. The whole thing was over the top ... but funny! I've seen Shatner in a variety of things. He's a better actor than many give him credit for. I think he'll do fine in this venture. Thanks for the heads up, I would not have known about it.

T'Bree

I think you've put your finger on it! I've been trying to understand what it is that is lacking from all the other subsequent Trek series and you've nailed it. It is all the subleties, the nuances of character development --- the out and out acting ability of the original crew coupled with the calibre of fine writing. This is and will always be the only Trek for me. I've sampled the others and they don't ring true for me. City on the Edge of Forever was indeed one of the series' best having won an award. It is a beautiful story of courage, conviction and strength. It doesn't get any better than this!

T'Bree

Unfortunately when you get canceled you don't get to plan that last episode. And I rather liked Turnabout Intruder. Was it the episode to close with? Why not? Not all series through time got a"conclusion" episode. Some series just never returned the next season. I'm just glad they brought this crew back after ten years and made six fine films, ending with Star Trek VI: The Undiscovered County. That was their series finale and what a fine ending it was!

T'Bree

I liked it also.  I think they were a little hard on Spock though.  I mean really, insisting on a burial with those aliens out there trying to skewer them.  And then, why did the crewman just stand there against the rock watching that creature come towards him.  They appeared to move awful slowly, he could have made an attempt to get away.

For all of that crewman's tough talk, when it came down to it he froze. That is why he didn't move while he had the time. His emotions got in the way and he was scared out of his mind! I, too, love this episode. It gives us insight into our very own dear Mr. Spock.

T'Bree

Yes, it is worth viewing. Yes, some of you spoiled with SGI and the like will notice a difference, but as it's been stated, the stories in Star Trek didn't rely on such effects. I grew up watching a black and white tv set because color sets were so expensive. I was in junior high before my grandfather gave us his old cast off color tv! What a difference, lol. Yet today I can still greatly enjoy an old B & W film on a five inch screen, no less ... perhaps having less is better, as it expanded my horizens of appreciation.

That being said, this show holds up against the tide. And I have to agree with Unicorn Hunter (hope I got your sn right) that the original, Star Trek, was mature in its delivery of said stories. Yes, it had the obligatory eye-candy, (Gene Roddenberry himself suggested sexism abounded on the show ),yet it was not what the show relied upon to be successful. Therein lay the difference. We were treated to an intellectual viewpoint, not mere sex appeal, which in turn paradoxically, made the show quite "sexy".

To all of you who are "new" to Trek, do not discount this show. Turn off your "need the flash and clamor of special effects" critic and just watch it, or listen to it, as another poster stated. Open up your minds, remember this is vintage tv, and let it take you on a journey. The human adventure starts here!

T'Bree

Star Trek is still relevent today for a number of reasons already stated in the above posts. I've loved a great many tv shows over the years, running to the set to watch each installment week after week. So, some could make the claim it was mere sentimentality that keeps me glued to the original, Star Trek. I'd agree with you, if it weren't for the fact that through the wonders of syndication and cable tv I have been given various chances over time to revisit some of these old "favorites" just to find myself cringing and wondering how I could have loved these shows way back when...

I get no cringe factor with Star Trek. Yes, the sets are sometimes cheesy, and those rocks are surely made of foam rubber, lol, but the strength of the stories draws the audience in letting us see passed the sets and the costumes ( I never had a problem with these) and the make up. The stories reverberate in their messages today, because such messages are timeless. Star Trek gave us a cast of characters, each unique, well-drafted and loveable in their own way. Together they formed a team who led us, willingly, to take another look at ourselves from a safe distance so that we might see where we are, where we are headed and where we need to be.

Star Trek is a unique slice of Americana, replete with the lessons of its time, a presentation of hope against a backdrop of the cold war. Growing up in that time frame we faced the neverending sense of doom. At any moment we could be obliterated. I went through air raid drills in elementary school! Star Trek came along to show us we could safely navigate out of these rough times. It cannot be duplicated nor should it be. It stands alone, a classic, a giant, a phenomenon, and it will live forever in the annals of tv history as relevent today as it was then.

And I hope to share it with my great-grandchildren one day.

T'Bree

My only problem with all of this, is why chip away at Spock's legend? What purpose does it serve, other than continue to negate the series which started this whole franchise? T'Pol can continue to be the observer she is without having to become a member of Starfleet.

This wouldn't bug me so much if there wasn't a faction out there willing to dismember and reassemble the premiere series so they can "fix" the alleged continuity problems between the modern shows and the original. The only continuity errors I've seen have been in the newer shows in their relation to the original. It cannot be the other way around, plain and simple fact.

I hope Enterprise's producers et al do their research very well on this. If it turns out there is a reference to Spock being the very first Vulcan in Starfleet, (and I , too, had that impression just unable at this moment to cite line and verse) may they leave well enough alone and find some other way of distinguishing T'Pol.

I think they should do this anyway, or risk a sensation of cloning. Her legend should be uniquely hers and not a carbon copy of her predessesor because although Enterprise is a prequel, it didn't air in that order and the original is embedded in the American pysche. Spock is who he is. Let T'Pol forge her own legacy and may the two never have to duke it out.

T'Bree

I read this book years ago and yes I can understand what he means. Leonard Nimoy is what they call a Method Actor, he feels the role essentially becoming the character. So, if he unconsciously slips into that persona from time to time it is understandable. It is also understandable that he would want the recognition as the actor and not just as the character he played so very well.

As far as other roles, he's had many. After Star Trek he became a cast member for Mission: Impossible, a tv series in the early seventies. He did stage, (Tevye in Fiddler on the Roof, and a one man show, Van Gogh) and a few tv movies, (Golda, Never Forget and another one about a prophet from the Old Testament). He guest starred, as well, on at least one show I can recall up front, Columbo. So, you see his career wasn't over by a long shot. As to why he didn't continue on as a director, I can't say. Or perhaps his films just didn't get touted and we missed them.

I've had the great pleasure of seeing Mr. Nimoy in a great many roles and while I think Shatner is also a fine actor, (see him in his very first movie role, The Brothers Karamazov with Yul Bryner), I agree that of the two, Nimoy is truely the better actor.

T'Bree

I agree with you that was an odd thing to do...Maybe he called the Bridge to see what was going on while Kirk was exercising on that bizarre wall foot petal thing..What was that contraption for anyway?.. ..Kirk was upset when he saw that flashing Red Alert..Perhaps McCoy did recieve a reprimand in his record from Kirk..?  I think the writers just wanted that McCoy line about "If I jumped at every flashing light I'd end up talking to myself.."..

I believe that foot pedal thingie (as you described it) is a cardiovascular test not too unlike a tread mill test done today. This one just has you on your back, for reasons only a real doctor could explain, lol.

T'Bree

This is slightly off-topic, but it has to do with Spock's in from "The Empath."

 

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Spock and Kirk are caught in a forcefield to keep from saving McCoy near the end.  The forcefield feeds off their emotions.  Granted, Spock is the first out, but the fact that he was caught in the first place is very telling.   I'm sure McCoy, once he recovered, didn't let him get away with that for very long.  Or Kirk, once he thought about it.  Both of them teased Spock unmercifully at times.

 

 

 

Personally, I think it was more than friendship.

 

 

And not airing "Where No Man..." first was a deliberate decision...

So sorry to burst your bubble, but Spock was very much interested in women as shown in the following episodes:

"This Side of Paradise", "All Our Yesterdays", "Mudd's Women", "The Cloud Minders","Enterprise Incident" and a tiny snippet at the end of "Shore Leave". As for Spock making it out of the force field faster than Kirk, as you stated the field was generated by their emotions and Spock was highly disciplined in suppressing his. Kirk and Spock are both good friends with McCoy, even if for a long time McCoy and Spock didn't quite realize they actually liked each other, as well, and were not merely tolerating each other's presence for Kirk's sake. Go back through and examine the Big Three's behavior. They are like the "Three Muskateers", devoted to each other through thick and thin, out of friendship ("all for one and one for all")--- and nothing more, though that is powerful enough by any standard!

T'Bree

Whether or not it is due to advertising, I can't say, but at the Sci fi channel, they do seem to butcher the original, Star Trek, beyond recognition. It makes me sad. Some generations may never see this classic, which has been dubbed a phenomenon, the way it was originally aired. I'm glad I purchased my entire vhs collection of the series years ago. I'm currently purchasing them again on DVD. Some have suggested there are missing seconds on the dvd's. We have learned that the old film deteriorates over time, and I wouldn't be surprised that if they remastered what was left of these, a few seconds here and there may have been lost. I shall have to do a side-by-side comparison at some point, since my vhs collection was touted as un-cut. But I never did see them when they aired originally, which is too bad. I am old enough, just didn't catch the fever until it went into syndication in the early 1970's. Oh, well.

T'Bree

I have made the one recipe below, taken from an old Star Trek Cook Book I found in my local library. It is actually very good. But I do tend to cut down or cut out the turnips, since these can be bitter!

T'Bree

Let me put a spin on this, if I may. Consider this: In "Amok Time" T'Pau was not necessarily reacting to the guests Spock brings to the ceremonies specifically, but rather that their ways are to be kept closed in general. No one beyond another Vulcan, unless taking a direct part in said ceremony, would be regarded as welcome. "Art our ways for Outworlders, Spock?" She does not single out humans, any non-Vulcan would do. Now it is true that she seems to put an undue emphasis on the word human when speaking to Spock, but I do not agree this was a racial slur. Spock had a choice when he was young on which path to take. He chose the Vulcan Way, which meant he would abide by their philosophy and deny his emotions. That isn't always easy and given that he is also human, the strength might not always be in place to follow that Path so completely. We humans do tend to be impetuous. She was merely reminding him of his choice, just as Surak did in "The Savage Curtain".

As far as Sarek's remarks made at the time of Spock's birth (as noted in Star Trek V) who is to say his lament was anything more than the knowledge his son would have a tougher road than most? I do believe this is why he may have pushed his son toward the Vulcan Way, to strengthen him and help shield him from the bias he would likely encounter as a half-breed.

It is clear the Vulcans have a superior air, but I do not believe they hold us in contempt altogether. I just think they hold us at bay, knowing what loose canons we can be at times! That is not a demonstration of racism, but simply an awknowledgement of our foibles. They do practise what they preach, for they seem to accept us the way we are, nonetheless.

Just my two cents,

T'Bree