jefffitz

When I read the synopsis of "Affliction" on ST.com, I had a feeling that it was about the "ridge syndrome". I think Manny Coto is doing great things this season on Enterprise, but if I were him I'd leave this issue alone. The Klingon fans can be a little touchy.

Personally, I liked Worf's explanation in DS9- "We don't talk about it".

Spoilers are required, without them I might have seen something on this thread I'd wished I hadn't. Spoilers are required.

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I don't want to switch topics here- and I think spoilers should be enforced. But if you haven't seen the episode, and don't want to know what happened- shouldn't you avoid a discussion of the topic like the plague?

I'm giving a 9 because it's an in-between episode that promised much but skimped on the delivery. It was very cool (don't get me wrong) but I think this story could be condensed an episode. I felt there was too much filler- why didn't they make this a 2 parter? If they are producing less episodes this season, then why are they wasting time stretching out story lines- this seems a most illogical practice.

Not the best, but definitely the coolest Enterprise episode ever. 

 

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What is the answer to Arev's 1st question?  I thought it was from "Spock's World" but I was wrong.  If you know please enlighten me.  (The 2nd question was easy- "Nothing Unreal Exists" ST4)

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T'plana-Hath, matron of Vulcan philosophy, also one of Spock's questions in ST:4

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I knew it! Those sneaky devils!

 

Thank you Welfconfed- you are truly worthy of Kolinahr

Not the best, but definitely the coolest Enterprise episode ever.

I thought the first movie was much funnier- the Europeon fans seemed more, well balanced than us Yanks, which makes for boring TV. There were good parts, but overall it kinda sucked. Gabriel as a married man was the most amazing part of the film, and I'm still not sure that he didn't CGI that part.

The best part was getting to see" No Kill I" for the 2 seconds a "PG" rating would allow them to be on TV.

There isn't even a Fine Arts category listed on the poll. I guess my BFA in Sculpture from the great institution of VCU doesn't count for much.

Oh well, there's always retail.

Girls don't need to worry about plate techtonics, so why are you asking?

Why is this statement false?

I don't care what's in it, do they still sell it in Lava Lamp 40 oz bottles?

 

I do however think it is sad that this discussion became a religion/creation debate - but maybe that's because evolution is the only scientific term most people know - and that's probably only because of the debate.

I'm sorry too, there is a false dichotomy between science and religion, Stephen J. Gould wrote about it extensively, but I neither have his knowledge or wisdom. All I can ask is that we meet 1/2 way and discuss it.

Far be it from me to impune your knowledge of future events- DrWho42. But does "Twilight" qualify? The past events of the episode were obliterated by the the future, thus rendering them non-existent. Therefore, "Twilight" doesn't constitute a historical consistency and can't be canon.

My Mazda got smashed by a guy who ran a red light, I can't decide whether to christen my new car the NX-02 or the Enterprise -A. I'm leaning towards 1701-A because I got my old car car before Enterprise came on the air. But I keep in mind the words of my best friend and mechanic (a DS9 fan) who said my car most resembled a Ferengi Garbage Scow.

"It's amazing you get anywhere, so be happy that you end up somewhere."

"The Stegasaurus was a herbivore..." Wow! I thought I voting on the long shot. This was an awesome episode, I'm glad I actually agree with other people for once!

Evolution is an established scientific theory (American science is really in trouble if "theory" has become a bad word) with over 150 years of facts and thought to back it up.  If we are to keep our edge in international science, we will have to overcome these regional biases.

Theory isn't a bad word but I think the point is - it is only a theory and it is far from proven. In fact, it is the very lack of scientific knowledge that I mentioned that leads people to believe things are proven because they don't know how to think critically about them. A great many of our "facts" are actually subjective interpretations.

 

I would also suggest that what you believe regarding creation will actually have little impact on your study of physics, chemistry, engineering or even biology - all those things we need to keep our scientific competitiveness.

 

And there is no "world view" on any scientific principle - there are disagreements or different interpretations on every issue - including evolution.

 

And it doesn't matter if creationism (which I don't necessarily support) is regional - if you're living in that region.

 

Indeed, it seems anti- religionists are just as biased as they accuse religionists of being and in my experience have been just as narrow minded.

 

I do however think it is sad that this discussion became a religion/creation debate - but maybe that's because evolution is the only scientific term most people know - and that's probably only because of the debate.

I agree with you in principle that all knowledge is subjective, but a line must be drawn. So, my question to you is, does our "region" only include Christian Fundamentalists, or does it encompass all the religions of the United States?

Jeffitz, what Georgia is simply trying to do is reintroduce a point of view which has largly been kept from people's ability to consider. They are in no way trying to "get rid" of the evolution theory, and it IS a theory.

 

I would like to point out that Creationism is fundamentally a religio-ethnically biased term that only applies to certain cultures and religions (sorry if this sounds redundant, but everyone might not know what "religio-ethnic" means"), specifically, the Christian-Judaic-Muslim worldview. There are also billions of Buddhists and Hindi's (the 2 biggies, but there are thousands more) living on this this planet, not to mention in this country. So we can either teach every religious doctrine of how human beings first appeared on Earth (I wouldn't be against this if they all got an equal time share) or we teach the worldview that is accepted by paleontologists and archeologists across all cultures; ie. evolution.

Evolution is an established scientific theory (American science is really in trouble if "theory" has become a bad word) with over 150 years of facts and thought to back it up. If we are to keep our edge in international science, we will have to overcome these regional biases.

One of the best parts of Wrath of Khan was Kirk taking out the Reliant, and Khan's dying monologue. It's too bad the poll is limited to the movies, because the battle scenes in last seasons Enterprise has them all beat!

... but just because the scientists LOOKED white doesn't mean they are.

You would have a good point if this were real life and we could meet the characters and find out that they grew up in a multi-ethnic family. However, my point is, that the movie has anti-prejudice as a central theme- yet, casts all the blue collar characters as African- Americans and all the scientists as white. It may have been a coincidence, but it seems like a glaring example of stereotyping to me.

Stephen Hawking lost a bet, not to Data, but rather to Dr. John Preskill about whether information can escape a blackhole. Hawking bet Preskill in 1997 that information couldn't escape a blackhole- Hawkings conceded recently that information could escape but that it would be so scrambled that it would be impossible to tell what originally went in. Preskill won an encyclopedia of Baseball.

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Maybe some other time. I'll see if I can sick one of my pals on you if I can get ahold of him ; he's better at it.

Lol - oh, ok (forlorn)

I know we would never have convinced each other, but I was looking forward to the struggle. Maybe another time

I would like to say that America is as scientifically advanced as the rest of the world, but then I read about Georgia trying to have Creationism taught in public schools.  If a fundamental scientific principle like evolution isn't recognized as legitimate, then I have to question our nation's role as a scientific leader.

"...a fundamental scientific theory such as evolution..."

 

^Not a subject you want to get me on. Sci may not be my favorite topic, but I do know a few things, or know others who do.

Bring it on.

I would like to say that America is as scientifically advanced as the rest of the world, but then I read about Georgia trying to have Creationism taught in public schools. If a fundamental scientific principle like evolution isn't recognized as legitimate, then I have to question our nation's role as a scientific leader.

I applaud your enthusiasm and grassroots approach to changing network content, but I disagree that Star Trek is a Damsel-in-Distress that needs rescuing.

First of all, continuity is the least important element of the creative process. It would be silly to throw out a great story, because it doesn't agree with a line that someone wrote 40 years ago. Most ST fans (with the possible exception of myself) are intelligent, reasonable people, who realize that the Eugenics Wars didn't happen a few years ago. I think we can handle some inconsistancies between shows.

Next, I'd like to address the issue of fans controlling the show. I'm opposed to giant corporate entities running the media, but Paramount owns ST and like or not they put the show on the air. Its great that you guys are trying to stick it to the man and make Paramount meet your demands, but as the saying goes "resistance is futile".

As an alternative, take a look at some of the fan films being made. Vulcan Willie and his German pals are making an amazing, professional looking movie with their own money and outside of Paramount control. I'm a firm believer in the DYI approach, if you can't fight City Hall- build your own!

Finally, I don't see the "lack of evolution of the show's presentation quality and spiraling- downward trend of terrible writing". Apart from a few sub-par episodes (typical of any season of any show) the writing and directing in Enterprise has been particularly strong in the past couple of seasons. I understand where you're coming from. I thought Berman and Braga held on to reigns way to long, but look at what Manny Coto has done in a short period of time.

Keep on giving the network hell, but think about investing all that time and money into a fan film.

Much better than "The Postman"- take that statement anyway you want to. Seriously, I didn't think the movie was as bad as people said it was, it just wasn't worth the 100 million bucks it cost to make it.