Size progression of Starfleet Vessels...

[Jim Phaserman 0]

I've noticed that Star Fleet does seem to have a size-progression as the years go by. The most advanced ships keep getting bigger. NX was the most advanced at 225 meters. Constitution at 300 meters, Excelsior at over 400, Ambassador at over 500, Galaxy at 646, and Soveriegn at 685. I wonder when Starfleet will commission it's first 1-KM (1,000 meter) starship? In Star Trek sims, these ships have already started to appear. Ships that are 1,000 meters or close to it being built by Utopia Planitia. One such ship is my new ship in the Eros sim (www.usseros.com) USS Georgia (www.freewebs.com/ussgeorgia) Georia is just over 1,000 meters, at actually 1,011. She is listed as a Battleship, but can also serve as an explorer and diplomatic starship, as well as command and control starship. other sites claim the Titan is actually over 1,000 meters long. I think it is really just a matter of time before we see such large starships under starfleet registry.

[LordOfTheBorg 1]

I think that the only reason you should have a 1-km ship is for CC ship or for fighting in a war.. because you could pretty much destroy anything that came at you with that (excepting the borg and other superbeings)..

[Jack_Bauer 1]

other sites claim the Titan is actually over 1,000 meters long. I think it is really just a matter of time before we see such large starships under starfleet registry.

The Titan is Luna-class and is no where near 1000-metres long. It falls between Intrepid and Galaxy if I'm not mistaken. See the Titan has finally revealed topic for more information.

 

 

I think that the only reason you should have a 1-km ship is for CC ship or for fighting in a war.. because you could pretty much destroy anything that came at you with that (excepting the borg and other superbeings)..

The Jem'Hadar had ships that big and lost the war. The Valiant which is like one-tenth the size of the Jam'Hadar warship nearly destroyed one (exploiting a weakness). But they screwed up and all got killed except for one crewman plus Jake and Nog.

[LordOfTheBorg 1]

Well, every ship has a weakness. but i mean, it would be fairly easy to pack on a heck-load of missiles and such, then go into a war and start blasting things out of the sky.

[MrPsychic 1]

Well, with a starship over 1 kilometer long is very hard to manuver. In the DS9 episode Valiant, the Jem'Hadar battleship took such a long time to turn. I prefer ships about the size of the Excelsior, it saves material in the long run.

[Wishfire 2]

Aren't Romulan D'deridex-class warbirds 1,400 meters long? Look how easily they got wasted when they actually fought in the Dominion War.

[Jim Phaserman 0]

The D'Deridex also massed LESS than a Galaxy class starship, Wishfire, because of it's hull design. in essence, yes, it is in overall length very large, but is really no more massive than an Ambassador class starship.

[Wishfire 2]

What does mass have anything to with it? It's design is horrid. Sure, it's you're looking at it straight on, it seems to be harder to hit, but space is three dimensional. If your looking at it from above or below, well, there's so much surface area to hit that it makes the broad side of a barn look like the endge of a dime. If you can't hit it, you're shooting backwards. Galaxy class ships had the same problem with the saucer section.

[Jack_Bauer 1]

What does mass have anything to with it? It's design is horrid. Sure, it's you're looking at it straight on, it seems to be harder to hit, but space is three dimensional. If your looking at it from above or below, well, there's so much surface area to hit that it makes the broad side of a barn look like the endge of a dime. If you can't hit it, you're shooting backwards. Galaxy class ships had the same problem with the saucer section.

In the intro to Star Trek Armada, Worf flies his Defiant-class ship, the Avenger, between the wings of a warbord and drops mines, destroying the ship. It's pretty cool. Of course, the Romulans are now using Valdore-class warbirds which look pretty darn cool and are huge.

[Wishfire 2]

What does mass have anything to with it? It's design is horrid. Sure, it's you're looking at it straight on, it seems to be harder to hit, but space is three dimensional. If your looking at it from above or below, well, there's so much surface area to hit that it makes the broad side of a barn look like the endge of a dime. If you can't hit it, you're shooting backwards. Galaxy class ships had the same problem with the saucer section.

In the intro to Star Trek Armada, Worf flies his Defiant-class ship, the Avenger, between the wings of a warbord and drops mines, destroying the ship. It's pretty cool. Of course, the Romulans are now using Valdore-class warbirds which look pretty darn cool and are huge.

 

Yeah, I remember that. But there's a couple problems with them. First of all, I don't think the Defiant is that small. Secondly, even if it is, the only way that would work is if the Warbird didn't have shields, otherwise the Defiant would've simply smashed into them and been destroyed. And if the Warbird didn't have shields, then there was really no point to the maneuver (besides the fact that it looks cool).

[Takara_Soong 4]

I don't know much about the size of various ships but it sure seems the biggest ones always end up destroyed in the end. The Scimitar dwarfed the Enterprise-E but it still ended up being blown to bits.

[Jack_Bauer 1]

What does mass have anything to with it? It's design is horrid. Sure, it's you're looking at it straight on, it seems to be harder to hit, but space is three dimensional. If your looking at it from above or below, well, there's so much surface area to hit that it makes the broad side of a barn look like the endge of a dime. If you can't hit it, you're shooting backwards. Galaxy class ships had the same problem with the saucer section.

In the intro to Star Trek Armada, Worf flies his Defiant-class ship, the Avenger, between the wings of a warbord and drops mines, destroying the ship. It's pretty cool. Of course, the Romulans are now using Valdore-class warbirds which look pretty darn cool and are huge.

 

Yeah, I remember that. But there's a couple problems with them. First of all, I don't think the Defiant is that small. Secondly, even if it is, the only way that would work is if the Warbird didn't have shields, otherwise the Defiant would've simply smashed into them and been destroyed. And if the Warbird didn't have shields, then there was really no point to the maneuver (besides the fact that it looks cool).

Shields are mostly to block energy, but a big dense object may not be deflected. I'm pretty sure the Scimitar had raised shields when the Ent-E rammed it.

[Wishfire 2]

What does mass have anything to with it? It's design is horrid. Sure, it's you're looking at it straight on, it seems to be harder to hit, but space is three dimensional. If your looking at it from above or below, well, there's so much surface area to hit that it makes the broad side of a barn look like the endge of a dime. If you can't hit it, you're shooting backwards. Galaxy class ships had the same problem with the saucer section.

In the intro to Star Trek Armada, Worf flies his Defiant-class ship, the Avenger, between the wings of a warbord and drops mines, destroying the ship. It's pretty cool. Of course, the Romulans are now using Valdore-class warbirds which look pretty darn cool and are huge.

 

Yeah, I remember that. But there's a couple problems with them. First of all, I don't think the Defiant is that small. Secondly, even if it is, the only way that would work is if the Warbird didn't have shields, otherwise the Defiant would've simply smashed into them and been destroyed. And if the Warbird didn't have shields, then there was really no point to the maneuver (besides the fact that it looks cool).

Shields are mostly to block energy, but a big dense object may not be deflected. I'm pretty sure the Scimitar had raised shields when the Ent-E rammed it.

 

The Enterprise-E was also much larger in comparison to the Scimitar than the Defiant in comparison to a D'deridex-class Warbird. Remember the episode of TNG where Ro went undercover to infiltrate to Maquis? When she tried to fly the Maquis ship between the Enterprise-D's nacelles, Picard had to order that shield strength be reduced before the ship could pass through the shields.

[MrPsychic 1]

I read at both memory alpha and ex astris scientific (sp) that the Scimitar was only 800 meters long while a D'Deridex Warbird was 1300 meters long.

[APW 0]

Wonder how long it will be before the Star Trek Universe (and Starfleet) starts seeing ships as massive as the Star Wars Imperial Star Destroyers and heavy cruisers? Those ships are several kilometers in length with crews that number in the tens of thousands.

 

I personally dislike the larger ships in the STU (Star Trek Universe).

I don't like 'em larger than, say the Ambassador. I don't see the need for such massive ships.

[Wishfire 2]

Wonder how long it will be before the Star Trek Universe (and Starfleet) starts seeing ships as massive as the Star Wars Imperial Star Destroyers and heavy cruisers? Those ships are several kilometers in length with crews that number in the tens of thousands.

 

I personally dislike the larger ships in the STU (Star Trek Universe).

I don't like 'em larger than, say the Ambassador. I don't see the need for such massive ships.

 

ISDs are 1,600 meters long, only 200 meters longer than Romulan D'deridex-class ships. Of course, the SSD is somewhere around 12 kilometers long...

[Jim Phaserman 0]

the only things I can see being as big as a Super-Class Star Destroyer would be a space station of some sort. The largest conventional starship, Starfleet or Alien, I could really see would be maybe 3200 meters.

 

Also, consider, Starfleet probably does have tanker ships to carry deuterium and Dilithium, what size would those tankers be? I can see them being between 800 and 1,000 meters.

[Wishfire 2]

the only things I can see being as big as a Super-Class Star Destroyer would be a space station of some sort. The largest conventional starship, Starfleet or Alien, I could really see would be maybe 3200 meters.

 

Also, consider, Starfleet probably does have tanker ships to carry deuterium and Dilithium, what size would those tankers be? I can see them being between 800 and 1,000 meters.

 

I'm not positive, but I think the large Starbases (like what we see in ST III and 11001001) are around the same size as the SSDs.

 

I agree about the cargo ships. The Enterprise NX was just shy of 200 meters long, and we have seen it in comparison to the old warp 2 cargo haulers. Those ships seem to be at least 4 times as long. (Of course, that length is mostly cargo pods, which are detachable.)

[Gary Phaserman 0]

The other thing about those tankers is, dispite their huge size, they would have a relatively small crew. the Ship's Master, 1st Mate, maybe three sets of bridge crew (Which would consist of a Helmsman, Navigator, Sensor Officer, and a communications specialist) and probably a small engineering crew of 4-5. so, overall, the ship's crew would be less than 20 people, on a ship as you said about 800 meters long. a Starfleet vessel of equivelent size might, depending on it's mission, have a crew ranging from as small as 600 to over 1,500.

[Flt. Adm. Tiger 0]

The cargo ships were also highly specialized and didn't require the amount of all-around capability or complex systems that Starfleet ships do.

[Wishfire 2]

The other thing about those tankers is, dispite their huge size, they would have a relatively small crew. the Ship's Master, 1st Mate, maybe three sets of bridge crew (Which would consist of a Helmsman, Navigator, Sensor Officer, and a communications specialist) and probably a small engineering crew of 4-5. so, overall, the ship's crew would be less than 20 people, on a ship as you said about 800 meters long. a Starfleet vessel of equivelent size might, depending on it's mission, have a crew ranging from as small as 600 to over 1,500.

 

I was thinking along the lines of the tankers seen in Enterprise. It was determined that since those ships are quite slow, and were out at space for years at a time, that those ships were, in a way, generational. It was also suggested that many of the kids born on those ships grew up to become tanker crewpeople themselves. So I think the crew size (not including kids too young to help) would be larger, maybe as many as 100.

 

Of course, if it came to boarding parties, the tanker is basically lost...