Madame Butterfly 0 Posted June 27, 2005 Turin Shroud 'confirmed as fake' From correspondents in Paris June 22, 2005 From: Agence France-Presse Spooky nonetheless ... an X-ray image of the shroud / File A FRENCH magazine has said it had carried out experiments that proved the Shroud of Turin, believed by some Christians to be their religion's holiest relic, was a fraud. "A medieval technique helped us to make a Shroud," Science & Vie (Science and Life) said in its July issue. The Shroud is claimed by its defenders to be the cloth in which the body of Jesus Christ was wrapped after his crucifixion. It bears the faint image of a blood-covered man with holes in his hand and wounds in his body and head, the apparent result of being crucified, stabbed by a Roman spear and forced to wear a crown of thorns. In 1988, scientists carried out carbon-14 dating of the delicate linen cloth and concluded that the material was made some time between 1260 and 1390. Their study prompted the then archbishop of Turin, where the Shroud is stored, to admit that the garment was a hoax. But the debate sharply revived in January this year. Drawing on a method previously used by sceptics to attack authenticity claims about the Shroud, the magazine got an artist to do a bas-relief - a sculpture that stands out from the surrounding background - of a Christ-like face. A scientist then laid out a damp linen sheet over the bas-relief and let it dry, so that the thin cloth was moulded onto the face. Using cotton wool, he then carefully dabbed ferric oxide, mixed with gelatine, onto the cloth to make blood-like marks. When the cloth was turned inside-out, the reversed marks resulted in the famous image of the crucified Christ. Gelatine, an animal by-product rich in collagen, was frequently used by Middle Age painters as a fixative to bind pigments to canvas or wood. The imprinted image turned out to be wash-resistant, impervious to temperatures of 250 C (482 F) and was undamaged by exposure to a range of harsh chemicals, including bisulphite which, without the help of the gelatine, would normally have degraded ferric oxide to the compound ferrous oxide. The experiments, said the magazine, answer several claims made by the pro-Shroud camp, which says the marks could not have been painted onto the cloth. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
HRH The KING 0 Posted June 27, 2005 I never believed it anyway. I rather have always thought it was a piece of artwork. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Theunicornhunter 2 Posted June 27, 2005 I never really believed it either - not that I ever really gave it much thought - however - I see an error in the report's logic. The fact that a fake can be easily created is not in itself proof that the object in question is a fake. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
A l t e r E g o 9 Posted June 27, 2005 I never truly believed it either, the Bible says we have never seen any true likeness of God anywhere. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kor37 9 Posted June 27, 2005 I also agree that just because they can duplicate the shroud doesn't mean that the shroud itself is fake. Plus, I read somewhere that carbon dating can only go back a certain amount of years. I forgot how many. It is far from foolproof. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Capt_Picard 0 Posted June 27, 2005 There are two types of dating. Carbon I think goes back only 25,000... but it has been a long time since Earth/Space class. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Odie 0 Posted June 28, 2005 There are lots of people who believe it the burial cloth of Jesus. It doesn't matter how much science there might be on it they will still believe it to real. It is a matter of faith. There is one very interesting historical note about the Shroud. When it was found the Pope at that time declared it to be a fake. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bethlehem 7 Posted June 28, 2005 Feels sad for those who believed, some people need things they can see Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Wishfire 2 Posted June 28, 2005 I never thought it was a fake, but then again I never thought it was the burial shroud of Jesus. Just some random person who was cruxified. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
A l t e r E g o 9 Posted June 28, 2005 Feels sad for those who believed, some people need things they can see 335158[/snapback] [rant on]The Israelis had God visibly present and still they needed more. That is the major lesson of Exodus imo; having proof of Gods existence does not solve anything.[rant off] Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
HRH The KING 0 Posted June 28, 2005 Of course it was a fake, because I made it. Just for a laugh. It was called the "Blanket Of Leeds" when I created it. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites