Captain Jean-Luc Picard 1 Posted May 30, 2003 Enterprise is the 2nd series to air on UPN. With VOY's ratings just high enough to keep the show on air for a full 7 seasons, do you think ENT will suffer the same fate? Do you think ENT can became a huge success like TNG while on UPN, or do you feel it needs to be syndicated or placed on a better network to succeed? What's your take on this? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
A l t e r E g o 9 Posted May 30, 2003 My take is that UPN needs to start delivering episodes of ENT, which will cause the Old-Timers to return in droves. How would you suggest UPN pull that off? Would simply putting it into SYN. do the trick? Will the new direction be enough? Oh yeah, except for ENT, UPN does not exist on my TV's. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lessa_Soong 0 Posted May 30, 2003 Oh yeah, except for ENT, UPN does not exist on my TV's. Same here. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Captain Jean-Luc Picard 1 Posted May 30, 2003 Oh yeah, except for ENT, UPN does not exist on my TV's. Same here. I myself only watch ENT, VOY re-runs, and Stargate SG-1 in syndication on UPN, other wise, it doesn't exist on my tv either! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Stelfan 0 Posted May 30, 2003 ENT will never be a huge sucess if they don't start airing on other networks as well, that's just it :/ Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Tank 0 Posted May 30, 2003 I don't think UPN is really good for anything, least of all Star Trek. How good can any show do on the network with the lowest overall ratings! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Data 0 Posted May 30, 2003 FOX was not the best channel for TNG either. The station was not really up in the ratings. In fact, I did not watch the first season of TNG at all, until it was rerun because of the writer's strike. To be honest, Enterprise is the only show I watch on UPN. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Tank 0 Posted May 30, 2003 FOX was not the best channel for TNG either. The station was not really up in the ratings. In fact, I did not watch the first season of TNG at all, until it was rerun because of the writer's strike. To be honest, Enterprise is the only show I watch on UPN. The difference here is that TNG was syndicated so it wasn't only on FOX. For example where I lived we got it on our local NBC station. From what I know this was true in most places. DS9 was also syndicated and I got it on FOX but by that point FOX had become a much bigger name. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
~Crims~ 0 Posted May 31, 2003 UPN is not good for Enterprise. Another problem affecting ratings that TNG and even Voyager did not have to contend with is this ridicolous influx of reality television. Enterprise was airing at the same time as American Idol and think about the ratings it gets. I'm not saying everyone that watched American Idol would have been watching ENT instead, but I guarantee you that ENT would probably go up a whole point if that crap wasn't on at the same time. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Stelfan 0 Posted May 31, 2003 UPN is not good for Enterprise. Another problem affecting ratings that TNG and even Voyager did not have to contend with is this ridicolous influx of reality television. Enterprise was airing at the same time as American Idol and think about the ratings it gets. I'm not saying everyone that watched American Idol would have been watching ENT instead, but I guarantee you that ENT would probably go up a whole point if that crap wasn't on at the same time. *yuck* I hate reality television!! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
cptwright 1 Posted May 31, 2003 reality tv sucks, and so does upn, i only watch ENT, and on extremely rare occasions, VOY, only if the preview looks like one of the mediocre episodes. and to think i was excited when we first got upn, just in time for the ENT launch. i had such high expectations for the station, and THEY BLEW IT BIG TIME. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Captain Jean-Luc Picard 1 Posted May 31, 2003 reality tv sucks, and so does upn, i only watch ENT, and on extremely rare occasions, VOY, only if the preview looks like one of the mediocre episodes. and to think i was excited when we first got upn, just in time for the ENT launch. i had such high expectations for the station, and THEY BLEW IT BIG TIME. They actually used to have good shows! Durring VOY's seasons 1-3, they had a cop show, called The Sentenal. Durring VOY seasons 4-6, they had a time travel show called 7 Days. Durring ENT's 1st season, UPN picked up the 3rd season of Roswell, and then cancelled it. For 6 years, UPN had some good shows to offer, but for the past 3 years, aside Trek & Roswell's 3rd season, it's been mostly crap. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
KayTroi 0 Posted June 2, 2003 I don't think UPN is a good place for Enterprise. It probably would do better on The New TNN. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
cptwright 1 Posted June 2, 2003 reality tv sucks, and so does upn, i only watch ENT, and on extremely rare occasions, VOY, only if the preview looks like one of the mediocre episodes. and to think i was excited when we first got upn, just in time for the ENT launch. i had such high expectations for the station, and THEY BLEW IT BIG TIME. They actually used to have good shows! Durring VOY's seasons 1-3, they had a cop show, called The Sentenal. Durring VOY seasons 4-6, they had a time travel show called 7 Days. Durring ENT's 1st season, UPN picked up the 3rd season of Roswell, and then cancelled it. For 6 years, UPN had some good shows to offer, but for the past 3 years, aside Trek & Roswell's 3rd season, it's been mostly crap. i like seven days, and the sentinal, i didnt know they were originally upn shows, i didnt have upn when they were out. i watch seven days now on tnn, and ocasionally the sentinal on scifi. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Captain Jean-Luc Picard 1 Posted June 2, 2003 I don't think UPN is a good place for Enterprise. It probably would do better on The New TNN. I disagree, as a lot of people without cable, like me, wouldn't be able to watch. TOS - NBC cancelled it, became a huge success in syndication. TNG - Massive success durring first run syndication. DS9 - Syndicated, but the space station idea never caught on. VOY - Aired on UPN, and had similar ratings to DS9. ENT - Aired on UPN, and having bad ratings like DS9 & VOY. It seems to me that Trek is at it's best when syndicated, and not limited to a network. I think the reason DS9 never did well in syndication was becuase the space station idea never caught on and becuase the story arcs were very complicated. ENT is having the same problem VOY had. I truelly believe that syndication, and some fresh writhers along with a continuity expert, would help the series greatly. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
zebredy 0 Posted June 2, 2003 Do you think partly becasue people dont like UPN and that they haven't been showing that many great episodes, that is a reason why ENT isnt doing that well. I really hope that the 3rd season isn't there last, there is so much more that I think they could do with the show that they haven't yet done. 'Only one out of every 43000 planets suports inteligent life' - Tpol Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Stelfan 0 Posted June 2, 2003 Do you think partly becasue people dont like UPN and that they haven't been showing that many great episodes, that is a reason why ENT isnt doing that well. I really hope that the 3rd season isn't there last, there is so much more that I think they could do with the show that they haven't yet done. 'Only one out of every 43000 planets suports inteligent life' - Tpol I would hate to see Ent cancelled.. But then again, ENT is UPN's most popular show, so they wouldn't likely want it to go off the air.. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gotabite 0 Posted June 2, 2003 Do you think partly becasue people dont like UPN and that they haven't been showing that many great episodes, that is a reason why ENT isnt doing that well. I really hope that the 3rd season isn't there last, there is so much more that I think they could do with the show that they haven't yet done. 'Only one out of every 43000 planets suports inteligent life' - Tpol While I do not like UPN, do not like FOX (I watch it only to see Boston Public), do not like the WB channel..........I also have to agree that there is a lot more that could and should be done with Enterprise. I am looking forward to the 3rd season to see how things go. I also agree with the post about the reality shows. So many TV viewers seem to be hooked on those shows that they amost PANIC if they can't watch them. I can't figure out what the draw is. But at any rate, ENT being on UPN and at times having to compete with reality shows, is certainly not helping its ratings. So I think the writer's and producers of ENT have a real challenge on their hands next season. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Captain Jean-Luc Picard 1 Posted June 2, 2003 Heh, the only shows I watch are: Enterprise - UPN Stargate SG-1 - Local UPN (syndication) Everwood - the WB Star Trek: Voyager - UPN (re-runs) So, yeah, I watch UPN, but only for Trek & SG-1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
xenexian 2 Posted June 4, 2003 This is all a moot point. The Star Trek franchise is owned by Paramount. UPN stands for United Paramount Network. Until the suits at UPN decide to fold up the tent, Enterprise isn't going anywhere. In the overall standings of ratings on all networks and cable combined, Enterprise in languishing near the bottom. But take just the UPN shows by themselves and it's doing as well as can be expected. Most UPN stations are either old,former low power UHF stations or newly licensed, low power UHF stations. There's not alot of wiggle room here. The network was at a major disadvantage the minute they decided to compete against the established networks. Remember, we're not living in the 1950's anymore. Even so they are not about to give another network any opportunity to cash in on their property when they can still have their cake and eat it too. Star Trek is still a money maker for Paramount and they're going to squeeze every last bit of profit they can get out of it. With all the money that the other branches of Star Trek are bringing in, Theme attractions, merchandise, books, toys, etc., there is no problem underwriting the full seven years. They know there is still a sizable Trek Nation out here and until that shows signs of waning (i.e. we all get old and die with no replacements), they are going to keep on trekking even if the ratings are lower than what any of the big four networks would allow. Yes, Enterprise will never attact the common masses that we would like to see but that is not entirely Paramount's concern. Enterprise will remain right where it is. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Admiral Kirk 1 Posted June 4, 2003 I think UPN sucks. I only wanted so I could see Enterprise. The other shows are crappy and are not on long enough for me to notice them. They did have some decent shows but like the other moronic (WB and Fox) they cancel quality shows before they can gain a following. The only smart move the sci-fi channel has made in a while is the renewal of SG:SG1. But they canceled that out by cancelling Farscape. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Captain Jean-Luc Picard 1 Posted June 4, 2003 Hey, Admiral Kirk. Incase you're interrested, SG-1's final season begins on the 13th. Once the show ends, there's suppose to be a theatrical Stargate II, and there will be a spin-off series called Stargate: Atlantis. B) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sam The Smuggler 1 Posted June 4, 2003 I really don't like UPN that much....Enterprise is really the only thing that interests me...and I sometimes watch Smackdown Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
cptwright 1 Posted June 5, 2003 WHOA, CJLP THIS IS THE LAST SEASON? THAT REALLY SUCKS, I LOVE SG-1. whered you hear about all this? is the movie gonna be with the cast from sg-1 or the origina? whens the new series come out, and what channel is that gonna be on? oh im so bummed now, but am so looking forward to june 13, their also showing an hour long special on sg-1, along with the two hour season premier. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Captain Jean-Luc Picard 1 Posted June 5, 2003 Stargate SG-1 - 7th/final season begins June 13th. Stargate II - Supposedly coming out summer of '04. Stargate: Atlantis - Scheduled for the fall of '04. Check out GateWorld.net for more news and information. However, beware of spoilers! :) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
WildStar 0 Posted June 9, 2003 [sHADOW=purple][GLOW=orange]i have UPN and itis a Sanfrainco Chanel 44 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Captain Jean-Luc Picard 1 Posted June 9, 2003 cptwright, I just read there might be an 8th season! Anywho, does anyone think ENT would do a lot better in syndication? I think a big part of the show's ratings-problem is that none of the stations want UPN... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
cptwright 1 Posted June 10, 2003 cptwright,I just read there might be an 8th season! Anywho, does anyone think ENT would do a lot better in syndication? I think a big part of the show's ratings-problem is that none of the stations want UPN... :o thanks for the gateworld link, thats GREAT. i cant beleive that theres been a season three out, and i couldnt find it. now i know ill be getting it. ive been checking out the stores where i got season one, and two, but now three. COOL, now i can get it. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites