Mixed Or New Cast Movies?

[Captain Jean-Luc Picard 1]

After lots of thinking, here's the conclussion I've come to:

 

Here are our movie options:

Deep Space Nine

Voyager

Enterprise

Mixed cast

New cast

 

Now, here's how I feel about each:

 

Deep Space Nine

While I enjoyed this series as much as I did VOY, I think it's too complicated to turn into a movie. Besides, other than Sisko's departure, what else is there to tell that could work as a movie? I say "IF" the demand is large enough, they should do a mini-series!

 

Voyager

Since TNG is over in the movies and VOY ended 2 years ago, I say this is the PERFECT cannidate for the next group of movies, or at least one movie! Also, I think that if they "do" decide to make VOY movies, the first should focus on the return of Sisko with a few DS9 characters. Kinda like how Kirk, Scotty, and Chekov were in Generations.

 

Enterprise

I say it's too early. They should wait till after it ends before making a movie. Some people suggest doing a mid-series movie like X-Files. I ask: Why? Why make a mid-series movie when there's so many other stories to tell?

 

Mixed cast

Hmm... I think this is a great idea! I mean really, they could go ANYWHERE with this! They could come up with a story, then pick a starship or starbase to fit the setting, then just use whatever characters fit the story! If someone's too expensive, instead of not having that "complete cast" you just plug someone else in, no problem. Yes, this could deffinately work!

 

New cast

I go see STAR TREK movies for an established story and characters, so we can rush right on into the story! I mean, that's my favorite part of movies - the characters! So, if it were a bunch of new people... I dunno, it just wouldn't be the same.

 

In conclussion, I say they should do a VOY or mixed cast movie. Don't think DS9 could work as a movie, too early for ENT, and a new cast... I dunno.

 

EDITTED

[Lessa_Soong 0]

I think alteregos idea sounds interesting...would that mean that time woudl be restored...or re-written? This could be a way to change the time line and make some Soong sisters happy all in one fell swoop!

if the events in Nemesis never took place...or were changed....

 

I also think what transportermalfinction said was very well said. I do not want to loose hope that we will see a better ending for the TNG crew. It was not a good on for any of my fav characters IMHO.

[A l t e r E g o 9]

Yes Lessa, you got the point exactly!

 

This would be a way for B&B to save face on their bad choice to rewrite history by saying FC changed the timeline, and put ENT on the track EVERYONE thought it was going to be on in the first place and at the same time make it look like that was their plan all along

 

Oh and to be fair, both films, INS and NEM would need to said of, they occurred in the altered timeline but the best news of all is that Data could still be alive in the correct timeline!!! B)

 

I am trying to work out something to post that would symbolize the correct order in which all of Star Trek could be played, including the alternate timelines in an order, which would make sense. Please wish me luck!

[Captain Jean-Luc Picard 1]

You can only have one timeline at a time. Besides, if ENTERPRISE is set in an alternate timeline, that means the future Treks didn't happen or that ENT would have to be erased.

 

I'd rather stick with the idea of ENT being a true prequal with some interferrance from the TCW.

[A l t e r E g o 9]

I'd rather stick with the idea of ENT being a true prequal with some interferrance from the TCW.

 

You are free to interpret ENT any way you wish.

 

You can only have one timeline at a time.

 

Who says I can only have one timeline at a time?

 

 

Uh-oh look out folks, the thought police have arrived!

 

 

If during the course of a Trek series they produce episodes which visit an alternative Universe, why could there not be, within a movie series, installments which visit alternate timelines, hmmmmm?

[Captain Jean-Luc Picard 1]

It's quite simple actually. Alternate forms of reallity are infinate and exist simultaneously. However, when it comes to multiple timelines, you can only have on at a time. If "future guy" erases TOS/TNG/DS9/VOY/Movies, you couldn't "cross" to that timeline becuase it no longer exists. It's replaced by the new timeline in which the future is in chaos. The only way to get back to the proper timeline would be to stop "future guy" and change history, thus the timeline then changes back to what we remember. However, this means that the timeline with the chaotic future no longer exists.

 

 

Any questions?

[A l t e r E g o 9]

Altered, NOT erased. Any questions?

[Captain Jean-Luc Picard 1]

Think about it like this.

 

You have a stream. You create a dam and dig a path to your friends house. The stream now flows there. Did you create a new stream? Nope, you just alterred it. Remove the dam and block off the new path. You've now restorred the flow of the stream and it no longer flows the other way.

 

That's how it would be with multiple timelines. Each timeline exists one at a time. When time is alterred, a new timeline exists, and the previous one ceases to exist.

[A l t e r E g o 9]

I do not recall asking for a lesson in temporal mechanics,

 

it's science fiction. Whatever I believe is possible is whatever I chose to believe is possible.

[Tank 0]

I agree with Picard. One time line, no more... Sure it would be nice to see Data again but I would hope they would come up with a better way to do it than saying that the past is wrong.

[Captain Jean-Luc Picard 1]

Here's an idea...

 

When Star Trek The Motion Picture came out, there was only the "original series" so obviously, the movies would be based on that tv series. Then they did the 6th and final movie durring TNG's 5th season.

 

Star Trek The Next Generation comes to an end as DS9 concludes it's 2nd season. They want to make another set of Trek movies. Obviously, TNG is the next choice.

 

Star Trek Nemesis was intended to "possibly" be the final TNG movie incase it bombed in theaters. It did, so TNG has ended. Now it's time to move on to a 3rd group of movies, only now we have 2 shows to pick from, except both shows were not successful enough to warrant a movie and everyone wants another TNG movie.

 

So, the logical conclussion is to make a mixed cast movie! :)

 

Instead of worrying if the "movies" will end... I think it should be looked under a different light.

 

TOS movies

The Motion Picture

The Wrath of Kahn

The Search for Spock

The Voyage Home

The Final Frontier

The Undiscovered Country (final adventure)

 

TNG movies

Generations

First Contact

Insurrection

Nemesis (final adventure)

 

When looking at it like this, the movies have kinda ended twice! :)

 

They managed to bring the movies back with TNG, I say they can do it again with a mixed cast of varrious characters. :)

[TransporterMalfunction 1]

If everyone wants another TNG film then why do you suggest a mixed cast film? That is not logical.

 

I say give the fans what they want, which is TNG. It is also a safer bet for the studio as it contains better known actors and better known with the general public, therefore it would make more money. :)

[Captain Jean-Luc Picard 1]

A TNG movie would make more money? Didn't you notice that NEMESIS flopped? I highly doubt another TNG movie will happen. If it does, GREAT! If it doesn't, I'm happy with NEMESIS as an ending to TNG.

 

Besides, just becuase the fans want it, doesn't mean it will be successful. Fans can keep a TV show going, as this was proven via ROSWELL The show ran 3 seasons, and was cancelled twice. The fans campaigned and brought it back twice.

 

However, could the fans alone support a movie enough for it to be a huge success? I doubt it.

[TransporterMalfunction 1]

However, could the fans alone support a movie enough for it to be a huge success?  I doubt it.

Well, let me put it this way, if the producers of Star Trek were to fly against popular opinion of their fan base then that might alienate many of these people who would come and see your film just because it was a Star Trek movie (Not a wise move, I sure you'd agree).

 

TNG was the last ST series that Gene created and my personal view is that they deserve a better send off than Nemesis, which is a long way from concluding one of the most successful series in recent years as it sets up too many threads for another film.

 

I also can not see how the solution to an average taking at the box office is to replace well known actors such as Patrick and Brent with the relative unknowns from the later series. With Patrick doing so well with the X-Men it is clear that his inclusion in a leading role of a ST film would pull in the X-Men audience as well.

 

I believe that TNG has a lot of life left in it and am not ready to give up on them just because one film did not do too well overall (I believe it did quite will in the UK). What we need for the new film is a solid TNG story and a good director. SO, WHOS WITH ME?! :)

[Captain Jean-Luc Picard 1]

NEMESIS bombed in theaters. And besides, Patrick Stewart has said that he thinks NEMESIS is the last TNG movie.

[Stelfan 0]

I voted for mixed cast.. even though it would probably not work, because they would then have to take 1 hour of show just to create relations, if they were together in the series we already know how every member is related to each other..

 

I want to vote on TNG but since that is not an option I would put DS9 in second and Enterprise in third.

[Rob 0]

I hope that they make a Voyager movie, but nothing about the future, I mean I hope that the movie they do would be like the episode "End Game" but instead of ending with Voyager beign escorted back home by the fleet of starships they would show us what happened after they got home. Because the way they ended the episode was so blah, you know? they didnt show them on Earth, they showed them on their way to Earth, what happened after that?

[Captain Treklin 0]

ENT - Too early for a movie.

While I'm not against a 'new cast' I strongly doubt they'd make a movie with a completely new cast without giving them a couple of years on the small screen, and as Cpt. Picard said, it's too early for a movie based around Enterprise

[jdigs 0]

The thought Police ?

 

I do not believe Enterprise or Nemesis were in an alternate reality, although I support the idea, it would seem like a cop out by the writing staff..Didn't Archer see proof of the Federation when that future guy, whos name I can't remember zap him to the future?

[Guest Ktrek]

I guess I am for a "new cast". However, I see this only working if they could convince a "big" star to take the lead role. It would draw crowds outside of the normal Star Trek camp. I also think they would all have to be relatively young so that if it is a success they can reprise the roles for subsequent movies. I'm not sure who would have the star power and make a good captain but I'm sure there are some stars that would be willing to don the uniform if they would just be asked.

 

Ktrek

[Lessa_Soong 0]

I still think that Nemesis did not do well because the cast told us it was a family movie (about the TNG family) and SB editted out all of the really good FAMILY moments. IT turned out to be a very dark and sad movie.

Most people have wanted to see a movie that either made then happy or at least got their heart pumping and left them energized at the end.

 

most of the people that i saw at my theater (guys included) looked sad and depressed at the end of Nemesis.

[Guest Ktrek]

I certainly wasn't sad and depressed! In fact I was kind of glad they had the nerve to kill off a character in this movie. Death is as much a part of life as living. It is sad when a character we love is no more but I don't see that as depressing. If a main character was going to die who better tha Data? He left by doing what he has always done! Putting others and their safety above his own. He died with nobility and honor! His death was not senseless!

 

Ktrek

[A l t e r E g o 9]

I do not believe Enterprise or Nemesis were in an alternate reality, although I support the idea, it would seem like a cop out by the writing staff..Didn't Archer see proof of the Federation when that future guy, whos name I can't remember zap him to the future?

 

Thank you for that. I can tell my idea has fallen on fertile ground with you.

Yes, Archer was shown a future by Daniels in which the Fed did not exist but was supposed to. This point lies at the heart of my theory on the possibility of whether or not it can be speculated that INS and NEM (after FC) may have taken place in an altered timeline.

 

About it seeming like a cop out... it is my belief this was the intended direction all along, remember the TCW? The TCW alone suggests a master plan was/is beginning to unfold, a story arc the likes of which has never been seen before. It is possible however with the announcement of the New Direction for ENT, tptb might have decided to drop it because not enough people ‘get it’. :blink:

[RikerChick 5]

I voted for Voyager. I really hope they don't try to make another TNG movie. It will always be my favorite series, but it's time to move on to the newer stuff.

[Captain Jean-Luc Picard 1]

Star Trek is set in a new timeline whenever there's a time travel episode/movie. Only thing is, the timeline is allways intact.

 

I don't believe that Insurrection or Nemesis are in a timeline that's differed enough to be "different" from what we've seen happen in the past. I think the damage to the timeline was very minimal.

[Bakula Bird 0]

I voted Enterprise, as it rules!

 

I guess, yeah it may seem soon for a movie, but i mean, by the time it comes out it will be a couple of years down the line and ENT will be in its 4 or 5th season, maybe even its sixth, cos it's not like they will make it in a week and release it before the end of season 2! And so it won't actually be as early as u'd think...

 

But i also think DS9 would have been good on the big screen, though i am sceptical about how they could do that now after the way everything was concluded...

[Captain Jean-Luc Picard 1]

Here's how I devide up the franchise.

 

Star Trek (the original series)

Star Trek The Next Generation

Star Trek Deep Space Nine

Star Trek Voyager

Enterprise

TOS Movies

TNG Movies

 

Now, TOS was groundbreaking and original. So, in light of it's cancellation, a movie just had to be made! With that success, there were 5 sequals made. Next, TNG comes to a close while DS9 concludes it's 2nd season. Obviously, TNG is the next choice for movies to be based on. We got 4 great TNG movies.

 

The dillemma now, is that instead of the "next Trek show" to base a movie on, we have 2 series to choose from. The only problem is that neither were successful enough to warrant a movie.

 

So, the question beckons: Should we pick DS9 or VOY and try to make a great movie, mix up the fomula and use characters from varrious shows, introduce a new cast, or stop making movies and see if ENT is movie materrial when it ends?

 

My choice would be to go with Mixed Cast!

My reason for choosing this is that NEMESIS is the last TNG movie, both DS9 & VOY were not successful enough to warrant a movie, I don't think ENT should be made into a movie (if it happens) till the series ends, and a new cast... well, I go see the movies to "revisit" the gang for a reunion in the form of an action movie. So, mixed cast seems to be the way to go!

 

Deep Space Nine

Voyager

Enterprise

Mixed Cast

New Cast

 

So, pick which you think would work best and explain why you chose.

[dsbs 0]

I'm very strongly of the opinion that if there is going to be a new cast they should start off on TV.

 

About a mixed cast, that might be ok, but I think that should be after my two more TNGs and after at least one each for VOY and DS9 (if not just to see them get on with there lives after the show. Which brings up another option: would that be better in a TV movie? Personally, I'd be fine with either.)

 

If I could have it my way, I'd choose 6 moveis for each cast, just to be even. But since I can;t, I'd have to say I want at least one more GOOD, HAPPY, INCLUDING DATA TNG movie, and then I'll be happy.

 

Good topic, Jean-Luc.

[Captain Jean-Luc Picard 1]

Greetings all!

 

Here's something I've noticed...

 

TOS - The Undiscovered Country ended the TOS story

 

TNG - Nemesis brought an end to TNG, although it's possible we might get just one more!

 

DS9 - "What You Leave Behind" brought just about everything to a close except for Bajor joining the Federation and Sisko joining the Prophets.

 

VOY - "Endgame" got Voyager home, which was the plot of the series. The only question is, what happens to the crew aside from Janeway? (we found out her fate in Nemesis)

 

ENT - Current series, would be best to wait till it concludes before doing a movie.

 

This leaves us 2 movie options.

 

Mixed cast

New cast

 

Who would you like to see in a mixed cast movie? Who would you like to see in a new cast movie?

[Captain Jean-Luc Picard 1]

Forgot to add... I voted Mixed Cast!