WEAREBORG4102
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I remember I heard that there was an explanation for it somewhere on the net, but I forgot where. But it can be wrong.
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QUOTEIt seems to me you're making assumptions about what people that believe in God "should think" and that people that believe in God should think God's purpose is to prevent all unhappiness, suffering and misfortune.
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Why are people supposed to believe that?
I'm not telling them what to think. I'm simply pointing out a contradiction as I see it. Admittedly some unhappiness, suffering and misfortune is created by human beings. That doesn't extend to a wall of water obliterating everything in it's path. If things like that a "natural" disaster, then god did not create it, send it and therefore cannot prevent it. IMO, this is because there is no god to do these things.
So you're saying that God's existence depends on physical aspects? God creates anything, but you assume his nature. Actions do not speak of words. He created nature, which destroys. Look at this for a second. Can we humans destroy things? We were created by man. Can we destroy things? Can we wage war? We have volition, but science dictates that the laws of the earth are set. Are they not? Are there not convection currents? Do we really understand the whole world? The universe? You cannot base the evidence of an omnipotent being by just looking at one aspect of creation.
QUOTEThe truth is - Earth life is fraught with misfortune and sometimes we are subject to the natural laws that govern this planet.
That's true, but IMO, these are NATURAL laws, created by no powerful being
called God.
So you're saying that laws just exist. Can you give a good explanation of how these laws came into being?
QUOTEIn my faith we belief we had a choice in agreeing to come to this Earth and we agreed to live by those laws of chance in order to have the opportunity to come here.
In my belief, we evolved on this planet and there are certain things beyond our control, earthquakes being one of them, tsunami being another.
Apparently you haven't read the October 2004 isue of Scientific American. They theoretically can control hurricanes. However, we can create tsumanis and earthquakes, and convection currents that are cause by natural law. If we can, why can't God?
QUOTEThere is a purpose for our coming here which is part of an eternal plan - a purpose that makes the chance of misfortune worth it.
I don't think there is a god created eternal plan, I think our purpose is to live and improve the world to leave it in a better state than it was when we were born.
When religious people talk about "divine plans, grand designs, mysterious ways", IMO, that's just a cop-out. They say those things because they have no idea why a alledgedly benevolent god would allow innocent people to suffer and die.
Who gave you that goal? If you look at the Bible, it's not a cop-out. Loook at our DNA. You're saying that the world is so random, we appeared, here, why do we all exist? One deletion, or addition of a nucleotide basis can cause a frame shift. This one base can turn you into a pile of goo. The proteins would sequence wrong. One base. Would randomness create a spellchecker? There is literally a basechecker for DNA synthesis. Did that happen randomly as the Big Bang states. Because the Big Bang states that everything was random. The Bible itself in Revalations shows that GOD can cause earthquakes, control locusts, etc. IF YOU READ THE BIBLE I THINK YOU WOULD UNDERSTAND.
QUOTEI find comfort from knowing there is a purpose to life - that we can be re-united with lost loved ones and there is hope for a better world. (but that doesn't mean you don't experience grief)
I think there's a purpose to life too. But it's a purpose we decide to take and aim for. There is IMO, no god who creates or plans this purpose.
God lets you have the volition to decide what you want to do. He has given you a purpose, but many choose not to accept it.
QUOTEAnd there are others who use power, position etc to gain unequal access to the world's wealth which leaves many of the world's poor living in circumtances that make them vulnerable to natural disasters - because they lack adequate housing etc.
There are also governments of those afflicted countries who deprive the people of safety and warning features to alert them before they are hit by giant waves.
What does that have to do with God? That is inflicted by people.
QUOTEWe each have a choice as to which kind of person we want to be. If God prevented us from making that choice - if He forced each of us to act charitably He would deny one of His fundamental laws - which is the Law of Agency or choice.
But we don't have a choice on whether or not we want either ourselves or our loved ones to be swept out to see by incoming waves? Whether certain people are charitable or not, this means nothing to the thousands of people killed today. It wasn't the uncharitable segments of society killed today, it was those people hit by the tsunami.
Look at this perspective: Why do we build in places where there is geographic risk? The risk has been there for thousands of years. If you live there, you accept it.
QUOTEIf life were judged purely by Earthly standards - then it definitely isn't fair -evil often triumphs and the innocent suffer.
Even by divine standards, evil shouldn't even exist. If your god is all-good and all-powerful, then he presumable could remove it from the world? If he can't, then he's not all powerful. If he won't, then he's not all-good because he allows evil to exist. Why should the innocent suffer? Why wouldn't your god protect them? By definition they are innocent, they have done nothing wrong.
Do you dictate divine standards? Many religions are dualistic. Christianity states that evil was first incarnated in Lucifer, the most beautiful of angels, a seraphim. He decided that he was too proud for God. He decided he was better than God. He then became Satan. God lets him have a chance to tempt man. He wants man to choose between himself and Satan. God gave us the chance through Jesus, the son in the trinity. He gave us the chance to escape from sin through his cleansing power. He gives us the chance of eternal life. That is what Christianity is about.
QUOTESome children live short painful lives and some hateful people live many decades. But that's like describing an elephant based on a picture of it's trunk - there's a lot more to the picture.
I find it hard to justify why a child would be born with a terrible disease or condition which would give them either a short life, or a long miserable one.
For me, all of this points to "no god", and some people make other people's lives miserable, we get hit by natural disasters and people do suffer from diseases and such. Some things like for example natural disasters can't be prevented, and the best we could do is to be alerted to them and seek shelter or safety. Some diseases may be cured or treated as we discover the means to do so. But I don't think that a god has anything to do with it.
Most of what you point out for evidence for no God is due to the point that we can't explain why those things that we can cause occur. My explanation is as good as yours. Can you explain how those things can occur randomly? That is the only option if you were to believe there is no God.
QUOTETragedies such as the earthquake and tsunamis in Asia are horrific and there is much suffering but the fact that suffering occurs does not negate God's existence.
IMO, it does, because if your god existed, he should have stopped the disaster from happening.
Who says that God has to do stuff for you? He gave you the chance for eternal life. Why do we deserve to exist? Are we that selfish? Do we even deserve life?
QUOTENow we can choose what if anything we want to do to help alleviate suffering in the world.
Yes, we could find the bodies of the missing people, rebuild their shattered homes, bury their dead, and treat their injured.
What the point of my initial comment was, that after all that, I would not be telling someone who has suffered in this disaster that a god is with them in their search for the missing, since that god was the one who killed them in the first place.
Did God kill them? Or did natural laws that God created kill them? The natural laws did. If we can kill and murder each other, is God murdering the people? NO! You would never say that. Isn't it the same for those laws that he created?
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Watching Return of the Jedi
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About to play Age of Mythology The Titans Expansion..... :(
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Wow it has been almost a year!!
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WAB, are you talking about twins or cloning? twins have identical dna - meoisis is the process of producing gametes (our reproductive cells which have only half the number of chromosomes of regular cells) and I don't see what that has to do with identical twins. Identical twins are formed when a fertilized egg splits - that is not meiosis.The Prophase of Meiosis I has to do with trait differentiation and crossing over of chromosomes. There are many ways of creating twins involving meiosis. This has the same effects in cloning because of the difference of the gamete that is implanted in the surrogate.
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For the Jedi it is time to eat as well...
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a book of devotions, TOS DVDs, and Star Wars DVDs
HAppy Happy JOY Joy!!!!
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Indeed sad news... :(
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watching the Empire Strikes back (star wars V)
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I'm assuming some type of alcohol or liquor because of his penchant for drinking with McCoy.
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Temperature: 58
Winds: S 5 mph
Humidity: 26%
Clear and Sunny
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Also the genes are not exactly identical. Most of the time a locus can be affected on a chromosome. This can change the traits a little bit. It has to do with the prophase of meiosis I
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ok, thanks
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I'd be happy to make one for you. One of the links didn't work but I'm assuming that was the Enterprise E you had a pic of. I'm sure I have one I can use instead. I'll send you a draft as soon as I can.
Great job. It looks wonderful.
THANK YOU SO MUCH TAKARA!!!!
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Watching Star Wars IV again...
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Time chose their "man" of the year but I'm not sure what criteria they used - other than newsworthiness.Who would you choose as person of the year - would it be someone has has been newsworthy or someone that has done something meaningful, or maybe just someone who's influenced your own life.
A couple of other newsworthy people
Mike Melville - the first civilian astronaut -
Mel Gibson - I didn't see the movie but I find it amusing he made the movie Hollywood didn't think worth making and made lots and lots of money.
As for people that have done something meaningful - mostly those people wouldn't make the news.
I'll have to think about it.
Not just lots of money, but the 6th highest gross in box office history
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First Cloned Pet
in Science & Technology
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I'm referring to the rare occurence of a mutation that allows for more than one egg to form. This sometimes allows for twins. The egg produced by the mother is injected with DNA that is from a cumulus cell. This means it has gone through meiosis. That means the trait is going to be different than the mother right? I'm just trying to explain the differences in the cloned specimen from the animal that was cloned. .