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Judging from the preview to next week's Enterprise ("Raijin"), we're about to hit an alltime low.

C'mon, an episode about a sex slave? Could you possibly be more obvious, Bermaga? And I thought Bounty (or, as Television Without Pity renames it, Booty.) was bad. This time it looks like they're even going the homosexual route.

I think I may skip next week.

Then there's the temporal cold war, and the Andorians, and that the Klingons are not TOS Klingons, and, oh yeah, the Vulcans act a little strangely.

Nah, you don't need to know any of that.

:o

Quick out

Well I always loved the original theme. Shivers ran down my back as the first line came across. I loved how the music was very subdued, almost ponderous, until the chorus. It really illustrated the main themes of Enterprise to me. It's been a long road through our history. We've had many wars, strifes, and disagreements. But we've persevered and we've SURVIVED! We are now Humanity, a union, we believe in each other. Together, nothing's gonna hold us down.

This new song, well, it's ok, just seems like it's trying too hard to make the thing "trippy." The old song's better IMHO.

I again say there has never been any Nudity on Enterprise..Period..End of discussion...

In your opinion.

I'm adding my support for what Picard said.

Nudity, imho, is the showing of the organs which are usually, or ought to be, kept private (whether in part or in full). Yes, the definition of nudity that the media uses is quite different. An unfortunate fact is that words can be twisted over time (just look at what "gay" means now as opposed to what it used to mean. .

As for europeans, I can't answer for the morals of others, and I seriously doubt every european considers the breast a nonsexual object (just ask the Pope).

Prudish, indeed? Why must the "tolerant" generation heap abuse on the beliefs of the former generation?

This is a complete tangent but it's eery how close the word Vorgon is to Vogon from Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy. If the episode does get done I hope we don't get recitations of bad poetry.

I've known Star Wars as long as I can remember. While I only started up Star Trek a couple of years ago. So I'm definitely a lightsaber welding SW fanatic first and a trekkie second. I don't really think of ST and SW in the same vein though. ST is, to me, grounded in reality, while SW is Fantasy. I simply prefer the second because reality is, quite often, depressing.

I find it amusing that no what SW detractors will say, the ST movies owe a debt of gratitude to the SW movie. Without the latter reenergizing the genre, it might have been years or perhaps never before the first Star Trek movie came out (and later, the next series).

Well the news came in finally.

http://www.startrek.com/news/productnews.asp?ID=129297

I was disappointed to find out that this film wasn't a "Director's Edition" since, according to the article above, Will was never really satisfied with his finished product (neither were the fans!). Too bad he didn't get a chance to redo some of his effects with modern technology like Robert Wise did with "Star Trek: The Motion Picture."

I am curious as to what the deleted scenes will be like. They should be interesting.

I am rather excited about the extensive interview with Herman Zimmerman. I have long been interested in his work. This man has a Star Trek heritage few can equal.

Harve Bennett's pep talk ... sounds hilarious, can't wait.

I'd say Chris Black. Though B&B had the best individual episode, IMO. They also had two of the worst episodes. Therefore, I'm penalizing them a bit. Chris Black was the most consistently good. I would have said John Shiban except for his credit on "Bounty." (or, as Keckler calls it on the television without pity website, "Booty")

I think its odd that people see an episode and say its a rip off of another series or movie,I did not see one episode of Enterprise this season that reminded me of any of the example you gave.

The only thing in common with "Judgement" and "Undiscovered Country" is there is a Klingon Trial,thats it,nothing else in that episode even came close to resembling the film.They are two completely different story lines.

Not the only thing in common. There's also the fact that Archer got sent to Rura Pente, that he was falsely accused. And that his shipmates illegally rescued him. I personally think the episode deserved a two parter. If you're going to visit Rura Pente, why only do it for five minutes?

As for season 2, I thought it started weakly (I thought Shockwave Pt. 2 was a bit of a letdown after waiting so long), but by the end it was better than a lot of the first season.

Hmm, never heard the second verse before. ... They could use it for the third season. Seems kind of appropriate for the Delphic expanse.

Well I've thought for a while about the ep, now. I don't know that it was all that great, I don't know that it was all that bad either.

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Problems.

1: The Vulcans seem distinctly emotional. Especially T'pol. I thought the whole bit in Archer's Cabin was a little bit of a stretch for her character. The whole implied thing of "I like humans more than Vulcans, I want to stay." Still, she does respect Archer, and recognizes that he needs a steadying hand, so I will overlook her seeming lapse in character.

2: Trip's reaction to his sister's death didn't seem real to me. It was great as he looked on the gray crater that all his memories disappeared into. But later he seemed forced. Yes, I know it's nitpicking. It's just that I usually am completely sold on Connor's acting.

3: Well, there wasn't much actual story to this episode. Cap'n Picard picked up on this a bit ago when he asked if there was a "to be continued" bit at the end. The point is that this was basically just an episode to get the characters from point A to point B. Duras was added to make it exciting. Now that's not to say that A to B storylines never work, but they do work a lot better when they have more of a cliffhanger at the end. The ending of the Enterprise sailing into the Delphic expanse didn't really have that much emotional impact to me.

Things I liked.

1: The shadow guy telling Archer about the Xindi (and Silik not being that happy about it). A nice ironic touch.

2: The scene with Malcolm and Trip looking at the swath of destruction.

3: The Duras storyline (aah, continuity).

4: The bit about the negative quantum dating amused me.

5: The Doctor and his snow slugs.

Altogether, I give it a 7 out of 10.

Good ep. I give it a 7.

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Got an especial kick out seeing Ruby. Was almost precisely the character I imagined from the previous mentions. I also really enjoyed Mr. Carradine's performance.

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Does anyone know how old a Vulcan is when they go through their first Pon Farr?  This might help solve the "how old is T'Pol" question.

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Well since T'pol's Pon Farr was induced, the only fact we could obtain would be a minimum of how old T'Pol is (if we knew the age Female Pon Farr starts at.). But since it was induced, it might be possible (I don't know Vulcan physiology) to induce it even earlier.

No. We love the theme song

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Another thing I thought was interesting was that T'Pol said this was her first Pon Farr. Females must apparently go through the process much more seldom than Males.

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Other than that, I thought it was a great episode. I loved the whole Tellarite story arc. I thought it was the best part of the episode. Thought the main Tellarite actor did a brilliant job of making his character real. I thoroughly enjoyed the fact that Archer was here called to task for his action of escaping the Rurapente. We're finally starting to see story threads come together in a very satisfactory way. I can't wait for the season finale and, more importantly, the third season.

As for the self-professed b-story of the ep. Well it was a b-story. Exploitative. Quite funny at times (when it was revelling in uncomfortable moments.). It was kind of a twist on the old horror formula. Instead of being stuck with a killer in an enclosed space, Phlox is stuck with a sexually voracious Vulcan (HEY! Alliteration, I'm so inadvertently clever.).

I thought it was a nice touch that T'pol tried especially to seduce Malcolm.

I thought it was kind of mean of the doctor to lie to T'pol at the end. From what I gathered, he gave her the serum, not the ... physical treatment. I guess it's just his little joke. Anybody get the other idea?

This last bit doesn't really have anything to do with anything. But when I saw the smiley, I had to.

Behold the expression on male viewers during the episode.

I give the ep a 8/10 for being very entertaining (and for being leagues above "A Night In Sickbay."

My vote: Archer was wrong not to grant asylum, I am a male

 

I agree, Trip totally messed up, even though his intentions moral.  However, I also think Archer totally messed up in not granting it, for lack of a better word, an asylum.  Here is a sentient being discoverring a new world, thanks to Trip, and it now requests an asylum.  Archer says no?  What about all the other times he's helped aliens without regard to their culture like the shapeshifting slug that he fell in love with?

 

I just think he was more concerned for inter-species relations then he was for this innocent being, and that disturbed me.  However, I'm not going to hold it against him as everyone at some point in there life will make one wopper of a mistake from time to time.  It still botherred me though.

Ahem. This opinion mirrors mine in almost every way. I will add a little bit however.

I believe Archer was wrong because I believe ethics are #1: Absolute, and #2: Universal. As such, it is never right to deliver an innocent person into slavery. The situation of how she came to be in his care is immaterial in this case, because she did not commit any crime to be there.

I was going to say that Trip should have been punished more severely, but when I think of it, he didn't really break any of the ship's laws. That's why Archer only gave him a strict warning (and, I expect, he tightened up the ship's regulations afterwards.).

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What an ep! Everything I want in Star Trek. The Borg were terrifying. Captain Archer was tough. The Doctor was brave. Great human moments amidst the carnage. Wonderful.

Gazing at the previews for next week. Sigh ... it looks like a more oversexed episode than is even usual. Maybe it'll be handled as well as in Amok Time. I doubt it. The other ep looks neat, though.

The Two Towers. For one reason. And his name is Gollumses, preciousss!

OOOoooo we can'tsss wait for the nexttt onesss, no we can'tssss.

CaptQuick

PS. Yes it's worth it to get the 4 Disk extended edition dvd, for two big reasons.

1: There's no repetition of extras between the two set (but as a consequence of that, there are no trailers in the extended edition.).

2: The Extended edition has 30 minutes extra movie. The vast majority of which is A+ character development.

I have both.

Capt Quick

hehehe

 

That's one of my favorites too. It gets better though.

Crewman Cutler was a spy, of course! That's why she's not on the show anymore. She was tried and executed.

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or not. I do wonder if the actress will ever make it back to guest star again.

Is anybody in here a Melonpool fan?

Melonpool

If you've never heard of it, go check it out. I found it one day, almost died laughing and have stuck with Mr. Steve Troop ever since. It's a wonderful spoof of all things Sci fi, but Star Trek makes the most often appearance (understandably, since one of the main characters wants to be Captain Kirk.).

Take a look.

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Since the third season looks like it could get into "war" territory. They might change the imagery to reflect war instead of exploration.

Oi aint no boid, oim a FOOZLE!

What a great episode! Jean-Luc I'm glad you decided to watch it after all,don't let things like sex scare you away from a good episode.

Spoken like a true Klingon. PLEASE don't mention scratching!

I had similar misgivings about this ep, Jean-Luc, and I have worries that it may still have a deleted scene of Malcolm and his woman friend on the Season dvd.

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I think that Captain Archer was morally wrong to send the Cogenitor back. Like Captain Vere in "Billy Budd," Captain Archer must make a choice between what his conscience tells him and what his mind tells him. I believe he did wrong because I have a firm faith in a universal law.

Captain Archer apparently wavers on this faith, because he has acted both ways in the past. He acted against his conscience in "Dear Doctor" (another similarly thought provoking episode) but Archer let his conscience run free in "Detained." (among other eps) So, either the writers haven't decided on his moral stance, or they are deliberately trying to muddle it. I give the episode a 9 out of 10 because I perceive that the episode was VERY well made, it brought up an important issue, and, even though I was disgusted by their depressing moral conclusion, the issue was dramatically dealt with.

On a sidenote, I notice that the sideplot of Malcolm was abandoned. I wonder why?