Do you dislike ENT? If so, why?

[Captain Jean-Luc Picard 1]

It seems we have a few fans here who feel that ENT is an aweful show. How about we have a discussion about why ENT is good or bad? Please try and avoid saying things like, "It think the ship is so cool!" or "I hate it becuase the characters are borring." Try and go into detail about what makes or breaks the show for you.

 

Let the discussion begin!

[ARMS 0]

I don't know why it's dull it just is...

[VaBeachGuy 12]

I think it's one of, if not the best shows on TV right now.

[fredbroca 0]

My big problem about the show is the time line not the show. I never liked the idea of a prequile as I always thought they should have done eps. 7 8 9 of star wars. So that has tanted me from the start but I do like the show it just does not excite me as much. But VBG is right it is the best show that is one right now.

[HRH The KING 0]

I've said all I need to say about how much I loathe and detest this pathetic excuse for a 'Star Trek' show, on the other thread

 

 

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[Captain Jean-Luc Picard 1]

I've said all I need to say about how much I loathe and detest this pathetic excuse for a 'Star Trek' show, on the other thread

 

 

:devil:

The whole purpose of this thread is so that we don't go in a tangent like the other thread. Please share your thoughts here.

[VaBeachGuy 12]

I've said all I need to say about how much I loathe and detest this pathetic excuse for a 'Star Trek' show, on the other thread

 

 

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The whole purpose of this thread is so that we don't go in a tangent like the other thread. Please share your thoughts here.

I must have missed the other thread.

[TransporterMalfunction 1]

Personally I believe that Enterprise is the best current show and also the best Trek since TNG. Given time it could even surpass TNG as the best modern Star Trek.

[Admiral Kirk 1]

I rather like Enterprise but I do think they have screwed with the continuity a bit as regards to TOS. At present I think it's one of the best shows on TV. IT's make huge progress since last season which I thought was mostly awful.

[vold 0]

I like Enterprise alot, very interesting series. & it helps alot.

 

1. it answers lots of unanswered questions

2. its a great continuity for the other series.

3. best Graphics, action, style

 

[Captain Holland 0]

I HATE ENTERPRISE!!! It is just a worthless series. The characters stink, the ships a piece of ****, and I could care less about the Xinidi! In my opinion.

 

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Edited February 7, 2004 by TransporterMalfunction

[Red Shirt Volunteer 0]

I like it a lot, but it has good and bad points. Unfortunately, a lot people either seem to just want to whine about it and not see anything good in it or gush and ignore obvious weak points.

 

Visually, it's the best among all the series, as you'd expect of a later entry into the mix. It's also got some of the best acting I've seen on Trek, particularly Billingsley, Bakula and Trineer. Blalock has done well to evolve T'Pol's character very gradually and seems to be moving in the right direction. The production values are clearly higher than any of the other series. The stories have far better internal continuity than other series and have shown the development of the crew as a working unit in much more detail than we've seen before in my opinion - they do a great job of referencing events occurring earlier in the series to build on what we already know. I also like the direction the show has taken in the Expanse and the time-travel theme, which has allowed the writers some freedom to surprise us. A lot of people moan about how it breaks with continuity, but how boring would the show be if everything went exactly as we expected? I'd say extremely.

 

On the other hand, we saw some pretty weak stories from time to time in the first two seasons that didn't do much to develop the characters or push the story forward. Also, Park and Montgomery don't get nearly enough time on screen and are pretty much just a waste of space in the opening credits; still, I have yet to see any particularly good acting from them and wouldn't miss them if they disappeared at this point. I'm not saying they can't get the job done, but rather that the writers need to make more effort to give them meaningful parts in episodes instead of turning them into wallpaper. I also think that Bakula gets way too much screen-time, which is getting in the way of me enjoying some aspects of the show. It'd be nice to see how Trip or Malcolm dealt with the Andorians in more detail (instead of just a couple of quick scenes) instead of only seeing everything through Archer's perspective, which is at times very predictable.

[Captain Jean-Luc Picard 1]

I HATE ENTERPRISE!!! It is just a worthless series. The characters stink, the ships a piece of ****, and I could care less about the Xinidi! In my opinion.

Yes, so you don't like ENT, but the purpose of the discussion is to discuss why. Would you please elaborate on why you dislike ENT?

[vold 0]

On the other hand, we saw some pretty weak stories from time to time in the first two seasons that didn't do much to develop the characters or push the story forward.

Look at your own life & see, is every day, every second meaningful?

 

or don't you have some dull pointless days/moments before?

 

no offense intended.

 

My point is, same goes to stories be it books or video. Not every episode have to be something great.

 

I wouldn't mind if there's an episode where everyone just sit down quietly for the whole 40 minutes episode. It'll still be great, knowing such episode exists.

 

IMO

[Red Shirt Volunteer 0]

On the other hand, we saw some pretty weak stories from time to time in the first two seasons that didn't do much to develop the characters or push the story forward.

Look at your own life & see, is every day, every second meaningful?

 

or don't you have some dull pointless days/moments before?

 

no offense intended.

 

My point is, same goes to stories be it books or video. Not every episode have to be something great.

 

I wouldn't mind if there's an episode where everyone just sit down quietly for the whole 40 minutes episode. It'll still be great, knowing such episode exists.

 

IMO

Sorry, but just what is your point supposed to be? Nobody's making a TV show about my life. I'm not saying every ep of Ent has to be spectacular, but there should at least be a point to it. You've admitted indirectly that you agree some of the episodes were boring. It's entertainment - it's supposed to entertain, not put me to sleep. At any rate, I said I like it a lot, which you should probably take to mean that I enjoy most of the eps, but there have been a few serious duds. I'm not saying every ep has to be exciting and I agree with you that an episode based mainly in dialogue can be great, one case in point being "Shuttlepod 1." I'm not all that interested in action, if that's what you mean by "sit down quietly for the whole 40 minutes episode," except insofar as it moves the story along. As I said, I like Ent a lot, but fans have a right, if not a responsibility, to criticise when the production team puts out a lame episode.

 

Now onto your comments about my life...

 

Do I have dull days? Yes, everyone does. But they must have endless dull days on Ent that don't become television. Bear with me all before anyone spazzes out and overreacts. We see 26, soon to be 24 I believe, hours of their lives a year. These are presumably the most interesting events in what is generally a year in their lives, though not necessarily so. 95% of the time they must be floating through space with nothing to do but wipe the dust off their monitors or check readings from sensors, most of which would consist of useless information. I think I could pull together 24 interesting hours in a year of my life, so how can they not manage it with a Sci-Fi scenario at times? I will never accept boring eps. As soon as you do that, you're letting them off the hook and removing all accountability from their job. Fans that love a show just because it's there and blindly take what they're given only contribute to weaker writing.

 

Do I have pointless days? No. I spend most of my time doing my job, preparing for my job or researching/studying (yes, at a university) to help me become better at my job. The rest of my time I either spend socialising with friends, exercising or better yet, with my girlfriend. So my life is far from pointless. Here's a little piece of advice: Whenever you make a comment like that in the box above and assume something about someone else, you merely reveal something about your own life. So, no, I don't take any offense.

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[Captain Holland 0]

I HATE ENTERPRISE!!! It is just a worthless series. The characters stink, the ships a piece of ****, and I could care less about the Xinidi! In my opinion.

Yes, so you don't like ENT, but the purpose of the discussion is to discuss why. Would you please elaborate on why you dislike ENT?

Well, I don't like it because it doesn't appeal to me. Also, because they kind of push TOS under the rug as far as technology is concerned. They have better computer input panels and etc. than TOS had. granitite that TOS was made in the 60s, but still I think they should be more true to the timeline. I will admit that the last few episodes were pretty good, but I think all the rest of the Star Trek series' are better.

Edited February 7, 2004 by TransporterMalfunction

[Captain Jean-Luc Picard 1]

I HATE ENTERPRISE!!! It is just a worthless series. The characters stink, the ships a piece of ****, and I could care less about the Xinidi! In my opinion.

Yes, so you don't like ENT, but the purpose of the discussion is to discuss why. Would you please elaborate on why you dislike ENT?

Well, I don't like it because it doesn't appeal to me. Also, because they kind of push TOS under the rug as far as technology is concerned. They have better computer input panels and etc. than TOS had. granitite that TOS was made in the 60s, but still I think they should be more true to the timeline. I will admit that the last few episodes were pretty good, but I think all the rest of the Star Trek series' are better.

Well, I can understand the show not capturring your attention, sometimes a TV show just doesn't do anything for me, so I can understand that.

 

As for the technology looking more advanced than TOS? If it looked less advanced than TOS, it'd look extremely fake, almost laughable. ENT is, in my opinion, a perfect mix between todays tech and TOS tech. They had to do this, especially since today's tech is more advanced than that in TOS. Heck, we have PDA's when Kirk wrote his log on paper.

[Captain Holland 0]

I HATE ENTERPRISE!!! It is just a worthless series. The characters stink, the ships a piece of ****, and I could care less about the Xinidi! In my opinion.

Yes, so you don't like ENT, but the purpose of the discussion is to discuss why. Would you please elaborate on why you dislike ENT?

Well, I don't like it because it doesn't appeal to me. Also, because they kind of push TOS under the rug as far as technology is concerned. They have better computer input panels and etc. than TOS had. granitite that TOS was made in the 60s, but still I think they should be more true to the timeline. I will admit that the last few episodes were pretty good, but I think all the rest of the Star Trek series' are better.

Well, I can understand the show not capturring your attention, sometimes a TV show just doesn't do anything for me, so I can understand that.

 

As for the technology looking more advanced than TOS? If it looked less advanced than TOS, it'd look extremely fake, almost laughable. ENT is, in my opinion, a perfect mix between todays tech and TOS tech. They had to do this, especially since today's tech is more advanced than that in TOS. Heck, we have PDA's when Kirk wrote his log on paper.

Yeah, I know they have to make it more advanced. If they didn't nobody would watch it. Come to mention it, I don't think Kirk wrote his logs on paper. I don't recall ever seeing the top of that huge black thing he tapped on. I think I saw something somewhere that said it was a PADD, maybe it was in the Star trek Encyclopedia.

[fredbroca 0]

The one thing that bugs me is why does the Enterprise have control panels that have buttons(which it should have) but if you look at all the other ships they encounter they all have the flat panels like in TNG. I know that some of the races they encounter are more advanced but they should not be that advanced or then Kirks enterprise would have flat panels because the Vulcans would have given them the technology when they made the federation.

[Captain Jean-Luc Picard 1]

To be honest, I think it's a matter of preferrence. Touchscreen versus buttons.

[Red Shirt Volunteer 0]

I've made a list of some of the episodes I thought sucked. Season 3 has been great and I have no problems with it, but here are a few stinkers from the first 2. If you disagree, please explain why these episodes were either good, exciting or just what the heck the point was because it eluded me at times. I felt that my time could have been far better spent doing almost anything else after watching these ones, just because at least I would .

 

 

"Horizon" "Vanishing Point"

 

A good chance for Mayweather and Hoshi to develop as characters in these episodes which they starred in respectively, but neither did very much and have seen ever reducing time on screen, except for Hoshi's "Exile" ep. We haven't seen either of them do much of anything this season (3). Why they bothered making these ones, I don't know.

 

"Rogue Planet"

 

No connection to the main storyline and not much character development. Just the usual we have higher moral standards than you storyline.

 

"Oasis"

 

Hmmm. Why?

 

"Shadows of P'Jem," "Detained," "Acquisition," "Desert Crossing," "The Communicator," "Canamar" and "Bounty"

 

Archer and co. are either captured or held somewhere against their will in some way. Repetitive, boring, uncreative. I liked the episode "Acquisition," but they might have made an effort to avoid the whole capture theme being repeated so often. Some of these episodes were good, but what were they thinking by repeating the capture theme. I didn't even mind most of them, but I think the combination of these eps must have driven away more than a few fans.

 

"Precious Cargo"

 

Let's face it, this story was just plain cheesy any way you slice it and the acting was absolutely terrible. Padma Lakshmi was a brick. As beautiful as she is, she was awful in this appearance. I was really watching the clock during this one. It would have been better to watch some parts with the sound off.

 

"Dawn"

 

Some will disagree, but this story has just been done too many times and is basically a copy of the film "Enemy Mine," which may be a copy of something else. So predictable they'd help each other in some ways, with the human being the one to do the better deed in the end. Lame, lame, lame.

 

 

 

By the way, regarding panels and technology, I agree with Picard. The panels are a sign of our own technology and reflect our own expectations of the near future. It would look ridiculous to have TOS-style panels and such. Look at the thing in front of you right now - it's more advanced looking than anything we ever saw on TOS.

Edited February 7, 2004 by Red Shirt Volunteer

[Guest Mike_Hines01]

All I have to say is, I love Enterprise, it's my favourite Star Trek series and current favourite TV show. However, just like every other show it does have it's good and bad points.