Vic 17 Posted May 26, 2006 The Doctor Phlox actor discusses the end of 'Enterprise', working on 'Prison Break'... and Phlox in a gimp suit. By AntonyF Posted at May 22, 2006 - 8:53 PM GMT It's just over a year since Enterprise wrapped its final episode and eighteen years of Star Trek came to a close. John Billingsley, who has been keeping very busy since then, admits that Enterprise already seems quite distant, and that he hasn't been asked any questions about Enterprise for quite some time. But stepping back into the world of Doctor Phlox for a while, John gave his views on the final episode which upset many fans and drew condemnation from some castmembers. "I wasn't wild about the last episode, but as is often the case I think probably more is made of these things than should be," he said, admitting that he would have liked more time devoted to tying up the character's stories. "It, arguably, should have been more about our stories than The Next Generation's cast, and I think people who were a little put out perhaps had a point. I certainly think it was a strong final season, and it seemed to me from things that I've read or heard that people's reactions were a little over the top. I also think they were on some level trying to find a way to say goodbye, or at least goodbye for now, to the entire franchise, and to that extent I could understand what the thought process was in wanting to bring in some of the Next Gen characters." When no longer employed by a studio for a role, some actors feel freer to attack their former employers in ways they wouldn't have done when being paid. But ever the consummate professional, John said he has no axe to grind and that it's not his place to grind it anyway. "In all candour, I really don't think it is my business to be aggrieved," he said. "I was making a nice salary, and the folks that hired me were never anything but polite and kind to me, they gave me a lot of opportunities to work outside of the show, which they certainly didn't have to do. So the thought that I'm going to stick a finger in their eye... I tread lightly when these sorts of questions come up in interviews because it's not my place to be critical. I'm not hired to write the show." While he acknowledged that some episodes were better than others, as is to be expected for episodic TV, he feels that the last season was the show's strongest overall. "I think the idea of having the multi-episode arcs was the best way of having your cake and eating it too, getting some kind of a sustained narrative drive which you can't do in any standalone episodes, and not necessarily tying up a whole season the way we did in season three when we were chasing the Xindi. I thought some of the best work of the season was, for instance, the two or three episodes about the race of supermen with Brent Spiner (TNG's Data, and in Enterprise Doctor Noonien Soong). And I thought the Vulcan arc where [T'Pol's] mother died was very strong." He added that he hopes viewers think the show was on the up even if it ended three years earlier than the last there Trek incarnations. "I think if anything what I would love fans to come away with is a sense of the show was getting better and while it was disappointing we didn't a full seven year run we beginning, I think, to establish ourselves as a strong series in our own right." After Enterprise wrapped, John said the wrap party was particularly large due to the amount of people wanting to see the show off. "Those wrap parties are always odd because they're huge events and everybody that has any connection with Star Trek is at them, and usually you end up meeting a hundred people you've never met before and you didn't even know were involved with the show, so many people who were working in various capacities backstage in effect that you never really knew turn out. So my memories of the event are always a little hazy. I also of course hadn't really realized that there would be press in attendance, so when we arrived we all sort of walked the gauntlet of interviewers. By the time I'd actually got into the party I'd lost my voice," he laughed. "I remember that. They showed a wonderful, I thought charming, couple of videos. One was sort of a homage to Scott Bakula (Captain Archer) that I thought was very sweet, and we saw some of the outtakes for various episodes which are always fun." He said that the show's cancellation came as no surprise and that had an impact on the party. "It was a bittersweet feeling of course, as it always is when people are saying goodbye to each other after having worked together, and we had people saying goodbye to each other having working together for upward of a dozen years. But I think we'd all seen the writing on the wall, there wasn't really any sense of extraordinary gravity. People had made peace with the truth." UPN, the network that launched Star Trek: Voyager and Enterprise lasted just one year without Trek, and will merge this fall with the WB. This was something else that John expected. "The writing has been on the wall there for a number of years," he explained. "Anybody who was a sort of knowledgeable industry insider knew that it was just a matter of time. UPN did not have a business model that could be sustained, they lost money year after year after year and they never really figured out a way to kind of identify what their target audience was. It became fairly incoherent, the idea that UPN had one hand shows like Enterprise, wrestling and Top Model and on the other hand was trying to put out shows like Veronica Mars and shows that would appeal to a very different demographic. I think it's a very good move to merge UPN and the WB and I certainly think it gives them a legitimately strong slate for the first time ever." Now the castmembers have parted ways, John explained that they do occasionally see each other but are doing their own things now. "To a certain extent we bump into each other every now and again, but I don't mean this to sound in any way a comment on anybody-because we all got along very well-just the nature of this industry is such that one is always looking down the road to one's next project and most of us are busy doing other things. We were gathered together by some fans who very very sweetly like to have a Christmas gathering and have always invited us, so we saw each other over Christmas. And I don't know that any of us have had a chance to work together since the show ended, but once in a blue moon we'll cross paths on the convention circuit." Looking back at the show's run, John recalled his favourite moments both on and off set. "On a professional note, on a work related note, I would say that I still have the fondest feelings for the episode 'Dear Doctor' in the first season because that was the first opportunity I had to actually begin to figure out how to three dimensionalize that character. It was the first episode I really had a lot to do and we began to see there was more to this guy than 'Hey fellow well met [? 8.40] which was the concern I'd had up to that point, that Phlox was going to essentially be the cheery fellow who has always got a little alien quirk to make us laugh. So the idea that he was actually going to get to do more and be more, that episode was actually a turning point for me." And on a not-so-professional note? "Well my favorite moment would probably not actually have anything to do with one of the episodes. I did win the Halowe'en contest in the first season by playing Phlox in bondage at the end of a leash held by the girl who was our focus puller at the time. That was probably my favourite moment, which is immortalized in several pictures which will hopefully never make it into the press." Before Enterprise came to an end John guest starred on CBS's Cold case. The show, headed by Kathryn Morris as Detective Lily Rush, deals with an unsolved murder case each week that the team attempt to solve. The case could be 5 years old or 50, but rather than the forensics of shows like CSI the show decides to explore the life of the murdered person using flashbacks. In "Mind Hunters", John played a chilling killer named George who hunted women in the woods and decapitates them. In the episode Rush and her team were not able to arrest George, and the murder was unsolved. A shock for viewers, it was the very first time a case hadn't been solved, and the first time an episode didn't end by showing a vision of the murdered person at rest. John returned as George in the season finale, where George terrorizes Rush and is shot dead. George was a complete contrast to Doctor Phlox, but John explained that playing a killer was actually all too familiar. "Before I was cast as Doctor Phlox I'd been cast quite frequently as killers, nut jobs and what have you, so it wasn't as out of the blue sky as it might have appeared to people, that I would play a psychotic. So I had a certain familiarity with the way psychotic personalities' value systems are arranged." As such, he didn't do any specific research into playing the killer. "Most of the research I think you do, frankly in television especially you don't have a lot of time to prepare, is essentially just along the lines of engaging yourself in a conversation about what you think the story is about and how you can help server the writers' needs. Sometimes there's a little bit of a problem, as to me there was in those episodes, because what I would have said was the truth of who this guy is [is] that he had an extraordinary capability to compartmentalize and to outwit the police for years by never letting his emotional needs creep in and sabotage his need to kill. I feel the nature of television sometimes is that you have to have the hero win by making the villain cave, and the only thing for me that was a little problematic was trying to justify why I have these emotional outbursts and make that function in the story." John said he liked playing the first character to foil Rush. "I quite loved that, I loved the fact that he sauntered away, and although there aspects of the last episode that were intriguing to me the first episode was much stronger. I thought that it was very compelling that he bends but doesn't break, and particulary I suspect for regular viewers to the show that it allowed them to have greater access to these series regular because it was the first chance to really see them in the depth of the deceit, and I think that gave a level of three dimensionality to them that they might have been lacking otherwise, having seen a few episodes of the show. He added that he really enjoyed his time working on the show, and in particular had praise for Morris. "It was great, the people are just terrific. It's a lovely group of people. It's always an interesting experience if you're a guest actor because you come on to a set and like it or not you don't know anybody. And naturally enough, having experienced it from both sides as a series regular, you're always a little trepidatious about whether the guest star is going to really have their lines frankly, much less have the craft to really turn in a good performance. They were so willing and supportive to let me stand up ands say 'Here's what I think, here's what my argument would be for how this scenes functions'. Very supportive. I really enjoyed working with Kathryn Morris. Just a lovely lady. She got in touch with me outside of the rehearsals, we talked to over the phone, she had a real strong commitment to rehearsing and making this show as good as it could be. The schedule is so gruelling on episodic television. For the person who plays the lead to have that sort of commitment to the work I found very impressive, I really enjoyed working with her." John also spoke about his recent role in Prison Break. The show just wrapped its first season, and is about a man up for execution for a crime he didn't commit, framed as part of a massive conspiracy. His brother gets himself placed into jail to break him out. John plays the person who is supposedly murdered, the brother of the Vice President of the United States, but at the time of the interview earlier in the year his character hadn't appeared yet, so John was reluctant to give too many details. "I'm recurring on it, and I'm hesitant to say much about it because when my character is introduced it's sort of a major surprise in the way the plot suddenly takes a u-turn. So I don't want to be guilty of spoilers. But I'm part of the cover up ... I was told when I was hired that we'd probably see me at least four or five times over the arc of this and the next season, so I'm anticipating coming back next season." Another guest spot, which was "a lot of fun", was on Nip/Tuck. "I got to play a guy who had a very unusual condition, apparently a real condition, where people want to have a limb amputated," he explained. "There are, depending on who you talk to, either a couple of hundred or maybe as many as a thousand people in the world have this condition that .... leads them to want to take one of their limbs away. And all of the studies have shown that in every other respect these are normal, healthy functioning people, not in any other way physically disturbed. They just believe that they have an extraneous limb. So I played a guy who had this condition and comes to these plastic surgeons wanting his right leg taken off. Great show to work on, lovely people, and I had a very nice time. Although it was a little uncomfortable because I had my right leg tied up behind me for the better part of a 2 - 3 day shoot." He also appeared on CSI: Crime Scene Investigation, but admitted that it wasn't a very memorable role. "I played an eccentric billionaire who was very briefly a red herring in one of the murder investigations," he said. "There's not a lot I have to say about that. It was a tiny little part; I've been in an out of that office on a couple of occasions, close but no cigar to some interesting parts. And I know they wanted to use me. In all candour, sometimes you take a guest star role not because there's anything of about it that necessarily is going to make you jump up and down and say 'wow what an acting challenge', but because," he said, pausing for a small laugh, "the money's the same, good or bad." PART 2: In part two the Doctor Phlox talks about ABC's 'The Nine', his film roles and how his career has moved on since 'Enterprise'. » Click to show Spoiler - click again to hide... « By AntonyFPosted at May 26, 2006 - 7:46 PM GMT ABC just last week picked up The Nine, a new lead-out show for Lost to replace Invasion, which will star John as a series regular. "It's a very exciting, interesting premise," he said. "You never know when you get a pilot, it's out of your hands once you've gone through the audition cycle where you have some control, what you bring in the room. The pilot has to be picked up, then it has to find success, so there a lot of stiles to be jumped yet. But I think it's got a good pedigree, the people behind it are the people from Without A Trace, which from what I gather is a good show, I'm afraid I haven't caught it yet. And Chi McBride is going to be in it, Scott Wolf's going to be in it." John plays one of the titular nine. "It's about the lives of nine people who are involved in different capacities in a botched bank robbery, and I play a guy who is sort of a sad sack who is surprisingly one of the heroes of the hostage taking situation and helps save the day. And it turns his life around, he gets a new lease on life. So it's actually a very lovely story about somebody who realizes late in life that he has latent potentialities. You don't know in a situation like that with nine series regulars how much you'll get to do as that's a lot of folks to be telling stories about, but I'm very excited about the part. I think it's got the potential to be a popular show. It's ABC, and that's certainly right now the most prestigious network." He said the show would employ flashbacks, making it sound similar to Lost. "It will spend its first season, at least I assume, flashbacking to the events of this 56 hours hostage stand off. We, in the pilot, only get a few little hints about what transpired in this hostage taking. We know that some things went down that had tremendous psychological significance for the survivors, so we're tracking forward as we see them get on with their lives, and I think that's where it has the ability to have legs because ultimately it's going to be about how these people cope with the aftermath of a life changing event and how they learn to be different people really in certain respects, and the flashback I think is largely going to be what keeps some of the mystery alive, at least for the first season. How long they can sustain that as it goes, I don't know. It's not like Lost where you have a capacity for infinite flashbacks, it is actually a 56 hour hostage taking situation and I don't know if they can hold us flashing back to that one event in perpetuity, but we'll see." He added he doesn't know if he can do Prison Break when a series regular on The Nine, but said was hopeful that "everybody can kind of work things out." For all his television roles, John admitted that he doesn't actually watch much TV. "If I had my druthers I'd rather read a good book, that's where my time actually goes. I watch a few things on TV, but I'm very sparing in the amount of television I watch. [...] It's just that there's so much product right now with a multiplicity of cable channels etc. etc. etc. that I'm pretty ruthless about my TV viewing." John said he was a fan of shows such as Six Feet Under, which he watched "religiously until it went off the air", Sopranos and Deadwood. Yes, he's a HBO fan. "I watch a lot of the HBO shows, I tend to gravitate more towards some of the cable shows just because they don't have these silly regulations and prohibition regarding language and content etc. that make me tear my hair out a bit. So I move to towards those shows as opposed to those shows on mainstream TV." He said he has lost interest in some network shows. "I watched the first season of Lost although I finally did pull away from it at the beginning of the second year. I just felt that its absurdities had become too great for me to continue on with it, though I thought the work was strong. I watched the first three years of West Wing, then somewhere around the part of the storyline where [President Bartlet] was running for the first re-election campaign ..., I think it was about the time when Sorkin was leaving the show, I just started to lose interest a bit and I never really picked it up again. Although from everything I've heard they've had a creative resurgence in the last year and a half or so, so I may very well catch up with that show again." One way to catch up is, of course, with DVD. "What I do is buy the DVDs, and I have a DVD library for my wife and I, and at each point in time we'll say 'we're going to watch this show from beginning to end' and it allows me to keep my television watching in a place I feel comfortable with. People on average watch something like four hours of TV a day, and it's ironic given that I make my money in this medium, but I find that sort of to be deleterious. People should read more," he laughed. "It's really where I'd rather spend my time." But not content with keeping busy on TV, John has also been involved in a number of movie projects. "I've done three or four independent movies, which you know always is the case you never know if they're going to see the light of day or not," he admitted. "I did a movie called the Ripple Effect a little while back which was written and directed by a guy named Philippe Caland. [it is] about a clothing designer who is sort of at the end of his tether because he's losing the funding for a new line of clothing and it's sort of driving him into a nervous breakdown. I play an old friend of his who has achieved fabulous success but who he has not kept up with, and he comes to me as a last resort to borrow some money. And I make him jump through a lot of hoops. I punish him emotionally for what I perceive as his inability to sustain our friendship. To a certain extent that's what the movie's about, the difficulty of keeping one's personal relationships in a world that demands we attend always to our business our business our business. That had a great cast, Forrest Whittaker, Forrest Virgina Madsen, Forrest Minnie Driver. Phillipe is very interested in improvizational style so he gave me all the latitude in the world to conjure up my own script, and I actually like working that way. The work we did together was very satisfying, and in fact we'll do another film together some time spring called Cake if it goes, which I'll have a larger role playing opposite Phillipe again." "Then The Man from Earth I shot at the beginning of this year, which is a very low budget—I applaud the director's ballsyness to try and make a movie on such a shoestring, he basically shot it in eight days which is unheard of, you know 12 page days-about a guy who claims he's 12,000 years old. I played one of his circle of pals who was of course incredulous initially but then slowly starts to think 'Could this story possibly be true, he makes a great case'. He eventually reveals himself or tells us he was Jesus in fact. It's very interesting, because as an agnostic myself (depending on which day you catch me I'd say I'm an agnostic or atheist), it has very interesting take on religious mythology. I'd be curious to see how it comes out as it's very static. All the action essentially takes places in the living room of a cabin, it's really all about the story and the dialogue and there's not a lot of about action. Whether or not it can sustain interest, I don't know. And, you know, when you shoot a movie in eight days you have to sacrifice a lot of things to get the thing in the can. You always wondered 'did we get enough coverage there?' But I'll be curious to see how it turns out. Nice cast, fun to do." "Then I just recently did just a few days in a movie called Dead and Deader, which I think is going to play on the SCI FI Channel. It's a zombie comedy. A zomedy. I'd initially been scheduled to have a role larger than I ultimately had, but my network test [for The Nine] came up and when the network says jump, you jump. So I had to [find a way] through my agency a way to step out of the movie, and they decided what they would do is recast the role I was going to play with Armin Shimerman [Deep Space Nine's Quark] and write a different role for me. So by the end of the day I was in it fairly briefly playing a ploddish mortuary attendant who misplaces a body." John also appeared in Room Six, by the same company. "Very nice guys. They have a company that does low budget thrillers, usually with a tongue in cheek quality to them. Room Six is about a guy who's in an automobile accident, wakes up in a hospital that is seemingly either haunted or is run by demons, we're not sure which. I had a very small cameo role as a guy in the bed opposite him who's trying to warn him to get the hell out of Dodge if he can. By in so doing, I tip the nurses off that I'm trouble so they devour me in the middle of the night. I think. Don't quote me on that!" Last time I interviewed John, he was preparing to move agent. He's made the move, and spoke more about his decision to move and the nature of actor/agent relationships. "I'm with an agent called Stone Manners, which is working out fine. It's the nature of this business that you move around periodically if you feel you need to. When I was with Buchwald, they lost several of the agents and it just felt as if it were an agency going through a big transition and I didn't really feel comfortable having to forge new relationships with people who didn't really know me. Stone Manners was an agency I'd interviewed with at the time I'd decided to go with Buckwald a few years back, it was kind of a coin toss either way at the time, and I wouldn't say regretted not making the decision to go with Stone Manners but I always kept it in the back of my mind that would be natural place to look if I decided to move on. It's a funny business, you have to have a healthy respect for your business partners and collaborators and a recognition at the same time that you are ultimately you are business for yourself. Your business model is not necessarily their business model and you have to be very very sharp eyed about where you think those interests diverge. If they diverge too much, you move on." Things have also been busy for John's wife, Bonita Friedericy. "She's doing great in fact, I can't really go into the specifics, but she's waiting to test for a pilot too. Sometimes that process can be absurdly attenuated, depending on how many actors they're looking at for how many roles. They have let her know she's past the first cut, they want to her to network, now they're sort of negotiating a deal. So we're keeping our fingers crossed and I probably shouldn't really say more than that at this point about anything because we just don't have a final. She also had a move at Sundance recently, called Stay, that Bob Goldthwait, the ex-comedian, wrote and directed which I thought was just adorable. It's a very dark comedy about a young woman who has a peculiar sexual incident in her past that she's always kept hidden for fear that people will be revolted by it and it finally comes out and blows up all her relationships. Bonita plays that young girl's mother. One of the best indy scripts I read last year, I auditioned for it but didn't get it. It was sold, and it will see the light of day, it's definitely not for everybody. But I'm very proud of her for that. It's a tough business, it's a tough business for female actors, but I think she's doing pretty well." So with so many TV and film roles on the god, could Enterprise's cancellation been a good thing for John's career? "I think for me it has been," he said. "I'll be very candid with you: it was a wonderful experience, and certainly it was a life changing experience in so far as it provided me a level of financial security that I never dreamed I would have, but the reality of playing a supporting role in an action/adventure series is that you don't have a tremendous opportunity to throw your elbow around. There wasn't enough for me to do on that show to be fully satisfied. And I knew that going in it was likely to be the case that I would feel some of that. I don't want you to think that I ever considered it to be a problem. I knew that I was not hired as a series regular, as a lead, so it's not as if I was ever depressed, or downcast. Having said that when it ended it was okay be me, because I knew I'd get to go on and do other things and I had every confidence that I would keep working. You never know what's coming down the pike, but to a certain extent what you can control if you're an actor and you have some desire to keep in this mix is that you can always find something to do. So four years, it put us at the magic number that allowed us to be syndicated so there will be some residual incoming coming in down the road and it was long enough for me to feel like I had gotten a chance to explore that character fairy fully. If it had lasted another three years, that'd have been fine too. I certainly don't mean to suggest that I was rooting for it to go away, I know how much of a loss that is for some of the fans of the show." But John is happy with how things have turned out. "It's a very good time right now. There are a lot of irons in the fire which is great." http://www.treknation.com/interviews/john_...ley_may06.shtml http://www.treknation.com/interviews/john_...y_may06-2.shtml Share this post Link to post Share on other sites