Wishfire 2 Posted September 25, 2005 I do. I remember the blizzard of 1978 that hit southeastern New England. I remember how the snow, once it stopped falling, reached up to my hip. (That's over 3 feet of snow.) I remember how traffic was non-existant because we couldn't move that much snow. I remember how the blizzard was so windy that power was out for days. The thing is... I wasn't born until 3 years after. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Theunicornhunter 2 Posted September 25, 2005 That's why human memory is so unreliable. It has been documented that if people hear about certain events enough they develop memories of that event - sometimes vivid- sometimes of an event that never happened. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Wishfire 2 Posted September 25, 2005 That's why human memory is so unreliable. It has been documented that if people hear about certain events enough they develop memories of that event - sometimes vivid- sometimes of an event that never happened. 354052[/snapback] Yeah, I understand that. The thing is with this is that when I remembered this was before I had reached my full height. I first remembered it when I was about 8. At that age, that must snow would've been at my chest. But I remember it at my hip, and the stats have the snow depth at or slightly above 3 feet. Which means that these memories were of me being at my full height. Which is impossible, because when I remember it from I was much shorter, and when it actually happened I wasn't born yet. And I doubt that my memories were created by my grandmother (who raised me) telling me about this, because she is very short. She's four foot ten. The snow would've been way above her hip. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Theunicornhunter 2 Posted September 25, 2005 WF, there is the possibility that what you remember remembering at age 8 may not be what you actually remembered at age 8. Plus little details like height are easily manipulated by memory or our subconscious need to make facts "fit". Another possibility could be dreams. I have some very vivid memories of events that I know were from dreams - like one from childhood of a giant Mickey House hand coming out of the door. I know there was never a giant Mickey Mouse hand but I have a vivid memory of it. :lol: Sometimes when I get a sense of deja vu I've realized I was remembering an event from a dream. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Wishfire 2 Posted September 25, 2005 No, I'll have to disagree. I remember the events, but I also remember the date, which was 1978. I wasn't alive in 1978. Yet I remember it. I remember it as if I was someone else. (Though I can't say it was anyone in my family, considering that I'm 6'1" and aside from me the tallest member of my family is 5'6") I remember the storm. It lasted for 2 days. I remember the forcasters saying that it should last for only about 12 to 18 hours, but it moved really slow. I remember that no one on my street even bothered to shovel the driveway until after the town had managed to clear our street. I rmember things that there's no way I should remember. And I know about dreams that seem so real, yet we know aren't true. I had one that I leaped off the top step of the stairs in the house I grew up in. In that dream I simply floated down. I know that it was a dream. (Then again, I have a memory of doing the same thing from the very peak of the house's roof and, again, floating down to the ground. But that must be a dream, as it can't be anything else. People don't float.) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Theunicornhunter 2 Posted September 25, 2005 No, I'll have to disagree. I remember the events, but I also remember the date, which was 1978. I wasn't alive in 1978. Yet I remember it. I remember it as if I was someone else. (Though I can't say it was anyone in my family, considering that I'm 6'1" and aside from me the tallest member of my family is 5'6") I'm not sure what you're disagreeing with. No one said you don't have memories of the events - I'm just saying our memories are easily manipulated and unfortunately time takes an effect. There is no way to know that the memory you have now is the same memory you had when you were 8. This is one of the famous examples I was thinking about - here's the reference to the articlehttp://ca.encarta.msn.com/encyclopedia_761...sychology).html Click For Spoiler One of the most controversial issues in the study of memory is the accuracy of recollections, especially over long periods of time. We would like to believe that our cherished memories of childhood and other periods in our life are faithful renditions of the past. However, several case studies and many experiments show that memories—even when held with confidence—can be quite erroneous. The Swiss psychologist Jean Piaget reported a striking case from his own past. He had a firm memory from early childhood of his nurse fending off an attempted kidnapping, with himself as the potential victim. He remembered his nanny pushing him in his carriage when a man came up and tried to kidnap him. He had a detailed memory of the man, of the location of the event, of scratches that his nanny received when she fended off the villain, and finally, of a police officer coming to the rescue. However, when Piaget was 15 years old, his nanny decided to confess her past sins. One of these was that she had made up the entire kidnapping story to attract sympathy and scratched herself to make it seem real. The events Piaget so vividly remembered from his childhood had never actually occurred! Piaget concluded that the false memory was probably implanted by the nanny’s frequent retelling of the original story over the years. Eventually, the scene became rooted in Piaget’s memory as an actual event. But if you're trying to speculate that something else is going on like clairvoyance why not just pose the question? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
KIMIMELA 1 Posted September 25, 2005 No, not really, but I can remember things I don't want to remember: Embarrasing moments. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Angela 1 Posted September 25, 2005 I have had since I was a small child of being in a victorian Room, very victorian decore and finding matches the non safety version my mum only ever bought and setting myself on fire. All I ever remember is my hand being very burnt painful and inevitably bandaged. Thing is I have never burnt my hands I have no scars and the type of burns that these were would have had scars. And when as a four year old I told my mother of it she said it had never happened. Other 'memories' I have had are dressed in what I now Know is 13th century dress and being thrown from a parapet, by a man I was supposed to marry. I remember 'floating' above my body as people came to see if I were ok (clearly i was not). I carried a major fear of falling from heights because of it. I believe it is the memory of a past life. I don't care if others don't believe in it. I believe there is more to this life than anyone can believe. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Wishfire 2 Posted September 25, 2005 (edited) No, I'll have to disagree. I remember the events, but I also remember the date, which was 1978. I wasn't alive in 1978. Yet I remember it. I remember it as if I was someone else. (Though I can't say it was anyone in my family, considering that I'm 6'1" and aside from me the tallest member of my family is 5'6") I'm not sure what you're disagreeing with. No one said you don't have memories of the events - I'm just saying our memories are easily manipulated and unfortunately time takes an effect. There is no way to know that the memory you have now is the same memory you had when you were 8. This is one of the famous examples I was thinking about - here's the reference to the articlehttp://ca.encarta.msn.com/encyclopedia_761...sychology).html Click For Spoiler One of the most controversial issues in the study of memory is the accuracy of recollections, especially over long periods of time. We would like to believe that our cherished memories of childhood and other periods in our life are faithful renditions of the past. However, several case studies and many experiments show that memories—even when held with confidence—can be quite erroneous. The Swiss psychologist Jean Piaget reported a striking case from his own past. He had a firm memory from early childhood of his nurse fending off an attempted kidnapping, with himself as the potential victim. He remembered his nanny pushing him in his carriage when a man came up and tried to kidnap him. He had a detailed memory of the man, of the location of the event, of scratches that his nanny received when she fended off the villain, and finally, of a police officer coming to the rescue. However, when Piaget was 15 years old, his nanny decided to confess her past sins. One of these was that she had made up the entire kidnapping story to attract sympathy and scratched herself to make it seem real. The events Piaget so vividly remembered from his childhood had never actually occurred! Piaget concluded that the false memory was probably implanted by the nanny’s frequent retelling of the original story over the years. Eventually, the scene became rooted in Piaget’s memory as an actual event. But if you're trying to speculate that something else is going on like clairvoyance why not just pose the question? 354070[/snapback] I was a bit drunk last night, so my choice of words was a little... blah. Basically, what I was disagreeing with was the "there is the possibility that what you remember remembering at age 8 may not be what you actually remembered at age 8" comment. The thing is, when I was 8 we didn't have even a foot of snow at any given time. Note: Just fixed code. Edited September 26, 2005 by Takara_Soong Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Theunicornhunter 2 Posted September 25, 2005 WF, I don't think what I was saying was clear - I am saying that the memories you have now are the only your present recollections of memories you had when you were eight. No one can say for certain that what they remember now is exactly the same as how/what they remembered 10, 15 or more years ago - most likely it isn't. It's only how we remember it - human memory is incredibly fallible. In other words you remember now having a memory about snow when you were 8 but what was really inside your head when you were 8? (this line of reasoning can give you a headache) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Wishfire 2 Posted September 25, 2005 I get the jist of what you're saying. But the thing is, no matter how distorted my memory of then was, I would still remember it as 1989, not 1978. In fact, I have clear memories of the winter of 1989. I remember making a make-shift igloo and having snowball fights. And making snowmen and such. The 1978 memories are completely seperate from the 1989 memories. My mind doesn't even assosiate the two with one another, unless I do it conciously. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Theunicornhunter 2 Posted September 25, 2005 Well my personal bet would be on a similar situation to that described by Piaget, you've acquired memories based on exposure to various retellings of the event. However, you could always research psychic phenomena and see if they mention experiences like this. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites