TrekUnited not giving up

[A l t e r E g o 9]

The Fight to Save Enterprise Continues

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I'm torn. Although I never financially supported them I always thought they were doing the right thing because I liked ENT and didn't want it to go away but I dislike that it's caused the biggest fan fracture in Treks history.

 

Tim does make some damn good points about the Heads at Paramount, Tims evidence does seem to point to their desire not only to keep ENT dead but future Trek projects because none of them care about or are fans of it!

 

That is very disturbing to me and does serve to ignite a pilot light of desire to do something not just for the sake of ENT but for the Future of Star Trek; I'd hate to someday realize I had a hand in supporting the Death of Trek by doing anything because I'd been decieved by the new Paramount Leaders.

Save Enterprise

Posted by: Tim B. – 05.02.05

Trek United: The Fight For Season Five Continues On:

 

Before we get into this to deep I would like to say a couple of things. I realize that some fans out here do not care for Enterprise and that is your choice. There were a couple of series that I was not fond of. I would have supported them none the less because they were Star Trek. I would never stoop to starting a website to kill a show. That is totally ridiculous. If you don’t like it don’t watch it.

 

I also know that some fans that are not fond of Enterprise has also expressed concern that we should not continue our efforts because we might make Paramount and Viacom mad and could hurt the future of Star Trek. I have news for you. You will not see any Star Trek in the future. They are canceling the show because of internal politics at Paramount, CBS, UPN and Viacom. Mr. Moonves has put people in charge at Paramount and UPN on purpose. He hand picked these people to represent his interest. Mr. Moonves does not like Science Fiction or Star Trek. This is the reason that Enterprise was cancelled.

 

If he is canceling Enterprise in mid season, what could possibly make you think that you will have Star Trek in the future? I don’t think it will be until one of three things happens.

The first is that they get a show runner in that has some pull and will not come to Paramount unless he is given Star Trek. Second is maybe when Berman’s contract is up and third if the fans voice our concerns loud enough for them to hear us around the world.

After all, I am not so sure that we can trust Paramount in the future. What if there is another Trek series and Paramount pulls the plug on it after a season or two? They did it here. Who is to say it will not happen again. I know that some fans are saying “leave them alone” you might leave a bad taste in Paramount’s mouth. I guess it is ok that they do it to the fans and people that support them right? I for one refuse to shut up and take what is given to me with the threat of maybe not getting Star Trek in the future. If you are that type of person to take what is just handed to you then that is your thing. Not ours!

 

We don’t want to settle and be good little Trek fans so that we can (MAYBE) get a bone later. So, I realize that some fans are going to get extremely mad at us and that is there choice. But at some time you have to make a stand on what you believe in and now is the time. This campaign will run until we have season five.

 

We have had several projects planned that we have not even brought to light yet. To date, we have all been very pro Paramount on what we have done on our site as well as in the media. Here are some of the projects that we will start working on.

 

• Full Page Ads in various papers about Paramount/Viacom/CBS and UPN.

• Double up on letters, faxes, phone calls and snail mail.

• Attend Shareholders meetings to express our concerns.

• Television commercials stating our thoughts.

• Other media related material being sent to the execs.

• Staying in the media to show our intent.

• Work with other production or companies to approach Paramount with proposals.

• Have them make an Enterprise movie

• Half Season for Enterprise.

• Miniseries for Enterprise.

 

The list goes on and on. Look at how long it took them to get Family Guy back on. Farscape took a year to get a miniseries. Despite what some people say, campaigns are successful and have been proven to be in the past. Look at www.savedisney.com they actually had one of the top execs removed from office. Never think that someone’s mind cannot be changed. It may take time but can be done! We are almost complete on giving all of the refunds. Still a few days to go on them. Once they are completed we move forward and this time we will try and really crank it up. We will not go quietly into the night.

 

Trek United

 

http://trekunited.com/news.php?id=42

[Madame Butterfly 0]

I personally think, after lurking at many trek sites, that things are deeply divided.

 

And to continue on, will only feed the fire of animosity between each side, thus creating a greater chasim, which will make it harder to heal.

 

I say both sides need to just shut the -bleep- up.

 

These arguments are nothing like the values that Trek has always exhibited and made the series so well loved.

 

 

If the fight continues as it is, Trek will never return.

 

If TU does get Trek back, the "others" will only begin another battle.

 

It's time for everyone to just walk away and take a breather, get a better perspective on this entire matter.

[ddillard 2]

As with AE I did not support TU financially, but have agreed and supported their cause. I feel that ENT does need to continue and that the only way to have any chance of that happening is to fight for it. I fully support continuing the campaign. I have continued to send letters to paramount and Viacom each week concerning the show and will continue to do so even after *gulp* the last episode on the 13th. I feel that if ENT goes forever than so will Trek. I believe that Paramount will just dangle carrots in front of us now and then about "considering a new trek series" but that it will never really go anywhere.

[Jack_Bauer 1]

I think Trek United should continue the fight. The fight for Enterprise is a lost cause, mostly because the actors and crew have accepted it and are moving on. (though that Sci-Fi ad still perplexs me). However, there focus should be a guarantee from Paramount that the next Star Trek series will be synidicated in first run.

 

I don't think that things will be divided now that Enterprise is passed. In that statement, there seem to be a lot of things said common to both sides, disliking UPN, disliking Berman and Braga, the need for a new showrunner (i.e. KillEnterprise has seemed to change focus into JMSTrek, getting the creator of Babylon 5 to be showrunner, which I find intriguing but have reservations about).

 

We all really want the same thing: a strong future for Trek. We disagree on Enterprise but the sides will likely shift with the next series...

[Madame Butterfly 0]

I don't know JB, I was over at ST.com this morning, and it seems not to be the case.

 

People there haven't moved on at all.

 

It was quite sad actually.

[sea trooper 0]

I donated ten dollars and I'm proud that I did! Enterprise should live on and I don't give a damn who says it shouldn't! I think this is a great show and I will stick to it all the way! Down with Paramount!

[Angela 1]

I am sick and tired of this. Trek is too big of a money spinner in the merchandising area to be gone completely, I figure trek needs a break, feel free to kick my backside. Don't care.

[Kor37 9]

I agree. Trek does need a break. Fans need to know what it feels like not to have any new Trek. I went through it after TOS got cancelled. Maybe after a few years, if a new Trek comes along, fans won't be so likely to nitpick everything like they have tended to do in recent years.

[Madame Butterfly 0]

Good point Kor.

 

Also I think that the break in Trek gave much time to make TNG what it was, one of the strongest Trek series ever.

[Korthedaharmaster 0]

Move on it's dead

[Kor37 9]

Move on it's dead

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You're slipping Daharmaster. You blew a perfect opportunity to say........"Its dead, Jim".......lol

[LoveMalePecs1 0]

TU should let it go Trek will be back after several years rest ( "A Breather to get new ideas etc")and give me the time to save up money to buy all V series on DVD eventually ("One Series at a time of course").

[sea trooper 0]

Why do you need Trek back later when you've got Enterprise now? Tell me! Enterprise is just as good as any Trek because, oh well would you look at that IT IS TREK! You have Trek now! Watch Trek now! No later!

[Takara_Soong 4]

I support Star Trek Enterprise and some of the efforts to save the series but I think TU did more harm than good. They diverted fans' efforts away from letter writing, email sending, etc. by focusing completely on the fundraising which had absolutely no chance in heck of succeeding. I think TU itself has widened the gulf amongst Trek fans more than anything else in my memory. The hostility amongst fans for and against the series intensified twentyfold (at least) because of the fundraising campaign and the introduction of this mysterious Al Vinci. BTW, we have some big production companies in Canada, such as Alliance-Atlantic which co-produces the CSI franchise with CBS, and if they wanted to get involved with Trek they wouldn't have that guy as their frontman.

 

I'm troubled after reading that list of on-going projects as I see at least two more fundraising campaigns. Personally, I'd rather spend my money on Enterprise DVDs than donate for newspaper ads that get changed at the last minute. And do they have any idea how much it costs to produce a television commercial and get it aired on network television?

 

Right now Enterprise - Season One is at the #17 spot in the list of best selling DVDs at Amazon.com. Season Two has a rank of #92 and it's not being released until the end of July. If you want more Trek then buy Trek and watch Trek because, bottom line, as long as Trek makes money, Trek will be made.

 

There is one area that seems to set me apart from many other Trek fans - I don't want Rick Berman to leave. I love TNG, I really like Enterprise and Voyager, DS9 is okay in my books and I really like all of the TNG movies. And since I've enjoyed all of these, I see no reason to get rid of him.

[A l t e r E g o 9]

This thread is more about Tims new claim that the Heads at Paramount may be trying to finish Trek altogether than it is about past mistakes from either side but is there any evidence TU distracted their members from writing letters and the rest?

[sea trooper 0]

No, they tell you how to do all that stuff.

[Takara_Soong 4]

This thread is more about Tims new claim that the Heads at Paramount may be trying to finish Trek altogether than it is about past mistakes from either side but is there any evidence TU distracted their members from writing letters and the rest?

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That isn't a new claim, AE. He's made the claim that Enterprise will be the last Trek produced if the campaign fails since the cancellation was first announced. I don't agree with that. As long as Viacom/Paramount can make money from the franchise, they will produce it. I don't want to wait 3, 5 or 10 years for more Trek. I want Enterprise back however I don't think that this is the end of the franchise if Enterprise isn't saved.

 

I don't know if there is evidence to prove or disprove that it got in the way of other aspects of the campaign. TU was created specifically for fundraising however even at SE fundraising seemed to become the main focus. The number of discussions of what could be done seemed to take second place to talk of fundraising IMO.

[Madame Butterfly 0]

Move on it's dead

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You're slipping Daharmaster. You blew a perfect opportunity to say........"Its dead, Jim".......lol

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LMAO!!!!!!!! B)

[A l t e r E g o 9]

 

 

Oh, well, it was new to me; I hadn't been following along with what he was saying from the beginning.

 

Everyone one happy to see ENT die keeps saying Trek will be back, fans not happy with the death of ENT but who are coming to grips with its death say Trek will be back, Rick Berman and a whole host of others keep saying Trek will be back but not the people whose opinions matter most to me; it's owners. They haven't yet said it will be back that I've heard, show me their guarantee and I'll shut up.

[Madame Butterfly 0]

From what I've been hearing is that the actors believe the new head of Paramount doesn't like Trek.

 

Now I for one believe that everything in our world happens for a reason, that there is a hand in everything that has a more complete wisdom than we do.

 

Having said that, I think this is giving Trek the needed break.

 

This individual will not always be in charge of Paramount, it's been proven that these types of jobs are always fluctuating every few years.

 

And perhaps in that time away from Trek, some new ideas for a series will evolve and eventually implimented.

 

This series won't die because of a break.

 

How many decades did we go through between TOS and TNG?

 

It won't be decades before the next Trek evolves.

 

Each series has fans, and while you may love DS9, others didn't. But we all still tune into the premieres don't we?

 

We check out every new incarnation and make our decisions from the best way, and that is observing the program for ourselves.

 

There is a patience with Trek fans that I like. That if this series isn't their favorite, they know that eventually there will be one that grabs them again.

 

In that sense Trek is strong and will stay strong.

 

IMO that patience is being tested by TU and those that actively and nastily oppose them.

 

Because of this we need the break from Trek even more.

 

When the new Trek permieres, the memories of the awful fighting will have diminished and the excitement and hope of an awesome Trek will bring Trek enthusiasts back together in a stronger fashion.

[sea trooper 0]

What happens if after your break you find that you really hate the new one? Will you go "Oh this sucks! We need more break!" or will you be "This sucks! More Enterprise!"

[Madame Butterfly 0]

What happens if after your break you find that you really hate the new one? Will you go "Oh this sucks! We need more break!" or will you be "This sucks! More Enterprise!"

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No, I wouldn't think that.

 

I'd hope the series meets the needs of other fans out there, that they enjoy it.

 

And I'd most likely wait until another series comes along that is more to my liking.

 

It all boils down to the writing.