cptwright 1 Posted June 14, 2003 heres another technical question for ya. nasa, and all space explorers seem so gung ho to inhabit mars. they have all these ideas to go and live on mars for short periods. so instead of just taking a huge chance on their ideas, why dont they just go to the moon and try living there? its a lot closer if anything goes wrong, and we will be taking less chances with human lives, and extreme costs working out any and all bugs on the moon first. second, why havent we gone back to the moon since the seventies? i think it would be awsome to go back to the moon and do modern experiments, and all that they do. it just seems weird to me to go to the moon quite a few times, then as our technology, and space program progress by leaps and bounds, all they do now is orbit earth. doesnt that seem a little off to any of you? well whats your ideas or knowledge on either or both of these questions? i eagerly await your replies. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lollypop 0 Posted June 14, 2003 We are too late there's somebody already on the Moon :o Click for Spoiler: UFO - NASA In December 1965, Gemini astronauts James Lovell and Frank Borman also saw a UFO during their second orbit of their record-breaking 14 day flight. Borman reported that he saw an unidentified spacecraft some distance from their capsule. Gemini Control, at Cape Kennedy told him that he was seeing the final stage of their own Titan booster rocket. Borman confirmed that he could see the booster rocket all right, but that he could also see something completely different. During James Lovell's flight on Gemini 7: Lovell: BOGEY AT 10 O'CLOCK HIGH. Capcom: This is Houston. Say again 7. Lovell: SAID WE HAVE A BOGEY AT 10 O'CLOCK HIGH. Capcom: Gemini 7, is that the booster or is that an actual sighting? Lovell: WE HAVE SEVERAL...ACTUAL SIGHTINGS. Capcom: ...Estimated distance or size? Lovell: WE ALSO HAVE THE BOOSTER IN SIGHT... According to hitherto un-confirmed reports, both Neil Armstrong and Edwin "Buzz" Aldrin saw UFOs shortly after that historic landing on the Moon in Apollo 11 on 21 July 1969. I remember hearing one of the astronauts refer to a "light" in or on a crater during the television transmission, followed by a request from mission control for further information. Nothing more was heard. According to a former NASA employee Otto Binder, unnamed radio hams with their own VHF receiving facilities that bypassed NASA's broadcasting outlets picked up the following exchange: NASA: What's there? Mission Control calling Apollo 11... Apollo11: These "Babies" are huge, Sir! Enormous! OH MY GOD! You wouldn't believe it! I'm telling you there are other spacecraft out there, Lined up on the far side of the crater edge! They're on the Moon watching us! In June 1965, astronauts Ed White (first American to walk in space) and James McDivitt were passing over Hawaii in a Gemini spacecraft when they saw a weird- looking metallic object. The UFO had long arms sticking out of it. McDivitt took pictures with a cine-camera. Those pictures have never been released. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
cptwright 1 Posted June 14, 2003 WOW where did you get this information? is it real or made up? that you know of. thats real cool though. but id still like us to go there, even if we have neighbors. :o Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
VaBeachGuy 12 Posted June 14, 2003 We are too late there's somebody already on the Moon :o Click for Spoiler: NASA: What's there? Mission Control calling Apollo 11... Apollo11: These "Babies" are huge, Sir! Enormous! OH MY GOD! You wouldn't believe it! I'm telling you there are other spacecraft out there, Lined up on the far side of the crater edge! They're on the Moon watching us! If the above is a "transscript" of the conversation it has a flaw. When to 2 space craft that flew on Apollo 11 were joined Houston would call them Apollo 11 in their radio transmissions. After seperation of CSM and LM there were now 2 different space craft that Houston had to communicate with. The way they did this so as not to confuse themselves and the crew in space was to call each spacecraft by name. They were no longer "Apollo 11". When talking to Mike Collins in the CSM they would call up with "Columbia" and when they were talking to Neil Armstrong or Buzz Aldrin they would call up with "Eagle". Not only that, before the flight the crew was asked what they would say when they step onto the moon. Mike Collins reply to Neil Armstrong was: "If you had any Balls you'd say 'My God, What is that thing?!' then scream and cut your mic." There are many hoaxes concerning this kind of thing, some of which say we never really went to the moon anyway. I don't know if there is life "Out there" or not but I don't believe Apollo 11 encountered anything other then rocks on the moon. Also, the Russians had an unmanned lander at the moon during the exact time as the mission of Apollo 11. It was feared that the lander could cause a disaster. It is also possible they (Neil and Buzz) could have seen this lander fly over head. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lollypop 0 Posted June 15, 2003 I got this off the web and thought that this was interesting as well. Click for Spoiler: AirBrush - A NASA Cover-Up A former employee of the National Aeronautics and Space Administration reveals how NASA covers up and erases UFOs from satelite photos. But first a little bit about this former employee: DONNA TIETZE HARE Formerly of NASA, female slide technician, the recipient of numerous space awards including 1969 Apollo Achievement award from the National Aeronautics & Space Administration, 1973 Skylab award, a medallion for success on the Skylab-Suez Test project, numerous other awards for her skill as a technical Artist, honors, awards and a 1994 reccomdation by Texas Governor Ann Richards to the Advisory Committee of Psychology Associates. Donna Tietze has spent most of her professional life involved in the Space Program as a technical illustrator. She drew lunar maps, landing slides, she worked in the photo lab, Precision Slide Lab, reducing art work to one inch by one inch drawings. She drew launch sites, landing sites and was employed as a sub-contractor to NASA for over 15 years. She worked on flight manuals for astronauts & has the wonderful ability to put words into images but uniquely, learn to do everything backwards, including mathematical computations, the writing of words, to put it simply, this woman has seen just about all the different kinds of images one could see that are used in Space Programs. Donna Tietze interviewed on Washington D.C. Radio Station The following is a partial transcript of a radio talk show that occurred 5/6/95 on WOL-AM in Washington D.C. which is simulcast on WOLB-AM in Baltimore Maryland. The show is broadcast every Saturday night at 12:00am. The show is called "UFOs Saturday Night". The guests on that date were Stanley McDaniels, author of the McDaniel Report, Erol Toron, a cartographer and who provided valuable information for Richard Hoagland in preparing his book, "The Monuments Of Mars". Also on the program was keith Morgan, Dan Drazon and Donna Tietze, a former employee of NASA in Houston, Texas. The transcript was transcribed by Donald Ratsch, "Operation Right To Know" (ORTK) from an audio recording of the show. Elaine Douglass (ORTK) host of the show: Elaine Douglass: This is Elaine Douglass, WOL News-Talk Network, our show is UFOs Saturday night and here in the studio with Keith Morgan and our topic is the Face On Mars. We have a new guest on the air with us, Donna Tietze. Donna, you are also with three scientists who are on the air with us and that would be Stan McDaniels from California, Erol Toron from the east coast and Dan Drason whose in Colorado. The reason that I asked Donna to come on the show, Donna is in Houston, Texas and kind enough to join us tonight to tell us some very interesting things she observed while working at NASA. Donna is an educator and she is working on her Masters in Education. In the past Donna, as I understand it you held a position for 15 years with a contractor at the NASA Johnson Space Center in Houston. You were a photo technician? Donna Tietze: Correct! E.D.: Donna welcome to UFOs Saturday Night. Tell me and tell everyone the incident that you recall as they say in the law court, did there come a time when you walked in a photo lab and someone told you something quite astounding? What happened that day? D.T.: Yes Elaine, thats true. During the Apollo mission I worked at NASA throughout those Apollo missions and I did leave NASA at the time the space shuttles began. I worked in building eight in the photo lab. I had a secret clearance so I thought I could go anywhere in the building. And I did go into one area that was a restricted area. In this area they developed pictures taken from satelites and also all of the missions, the Apollo missions, flight missions. I went in and I was talking to one of the photographers and developers and he was putting together a mosaic which is a lot of photos, smaller photos into a larger photo pattern. And while I was in there I was trying to learn new methods and new things about the whole organization and I was looking at the pictures and he directed my attention to one area, he said, Look at that. I looked and there was a round oval shaped, well it was very white circular shape of a dot and I, it was black & white photography, so I asked him if that was a spot on the emulsion and he said, well I can't tell you but spots on the emulsion do not leave round circles of shadows. E.D.: So there was a shadow on the ground? D.T.: Right, a round shadow! And I noticed that there were pine trees, now I don't know where this area was or what, you, pretty close to the ground what I saw but I didn't see outline of the continent. But I did notice that thre was shadow under this white dot and I also noticed that the trees were casting the shadows in the same direction as this shadow of the circle of this aerial phenomena because it was higher than the trees but not too much higher than the trees but it was close to the ground and it was spherical but slightly elongated, not very much but slightly. I then said, is it a UFO? And he said, Well I can't tell you. And then I asked him, what are you going to do with this piece of information? And he said, well we have to airbrush these things out before we sell these photographs to the public. So I realized at that point that there is a procedure setup to take care of this type of information from the public. E.D.: Isn't that remarkable gentlemen? Stan McDaniels: Elaine, I was unable to really hear very much of that. E.D.: Oh really? SmcD: I did catch air brush it out. E.D.: Alright, Stan can you hear this station break coming up? SmcD: Uh, sure. E.D.: So alright, we are going into that, we'll be back in just a couple of minutes BREAK E.D.: Erol Toron, you are here? E.T.: I'm still here E.D.: Alright fine, Stan you said you could not hear the account that Donna gave? SmcD: Not very well. E.D.: Alright, Keith would you like to recapitulate what Donna said? Keith Morgan: Stan, what she said was that she was in the photo lab at NASA and that she was looking at some photos and one showed an elliptical object, white object that was casting a shadow on the ground above some trees and the technician in there, she asked him if it was a UFO? He said I can't tell you. She said what are you going to do with this kind of information? He said well that is the kind of stuff that we airbrush out. SmcD: Oh I see, thanks for that! E.D. So Donna thats approximately, essentially correct what you said, right? D.T. Right! E.D.: Yes well I, Stan I think thats quite startling, don't you? SmcD: Its speaks for itself. E.D.: Yes it certainly does, Now Donna there is another matter that you learned about when you were there at NASA. I believe this was through a third party, a person that you were spending some time with who was a fellow NASA employee? D.T.: Right, in fact after we talked, I thought about another incident with a guard that I would like to convey too thats very important. This man that I had dated was in quarantine with the astronauts when they had come back from the moon and I had talked to him about seeing this saucer (satellite photos) and asked him if he had heard anything about that and he told me that every astronaut, every moon trip had been followed by craft, by saucers, that every one of them, every astronaut that went to the moon, now I don't know about other sites but they all had seen it and all had been told to keep quite about it and they were threatened with jail and their whole retirement, everything taken away from them. They were also, this told me that if I ever told that he said it, that he would deny it, that he would never admit that he told me all of that. E.D.: Did you hear that Stan? SmcD: No E.D.: Alright, ah, go ahead Keith, recapitulate. (Keith repeats everything of that part that Donna Tietze stated, to McDaniel) SmcD: Oh yes I see E.D.: Yes and I believe that Donna you related to me, you friend came to believe that the UFOs were instrumental in geting Apollo 13 that was, ah, our disable mission to the moon, was it 13? D.T.: Right, well he said that it shouldn't have come back, I mean, there was no, ah, they had help. And thats was all he would say. E.D.: All he would say? D.T.: He said it was impossible for that craft to have gotten back home E.D.: Donna you said that there was another matter that you wanted to relate to us. D.T.: Yes, something that I didn't talk to you about earlier. When I had quite work, I had an office, I was doing ilustration work at another office, in another part of town. And a man that had been a guard at NASA during the time came into my office and he had a large gash scar on his forehead and he told me that he was a guard at NASA and that he was burning a lot of photographs of UFOs. That was his job. E.D.: Really (surprised) D.T.: And he said he stopped to look at one too long and one of the other, I gathered it was some type of military man, hit him in the head with a gun butt and knocked him out. E.D.: What? (shocked) D.T.: Because he had looked at one of the photographs too long, he did describe the photograph to me which I tend to believe was an accurate photograph. E.D: Oh, my god! D.T.: He explained that it was a craft on the ground and it looked like, it was like a regular saucer with like little bumps all over and he said it was like it was burnt. He said cows in the field all had their tails stuck straight up. At the time he said he didn't know when cattle were frightened, that their tails would stick staight up. And he described this to me and since then, I did describe it to someone that I thought might have looked at some of these photos, possibly and they did look kind of frightened that I shouldn't know about that one. (the next several minutes later the conversation is more about UFOs following Apollo crafts to the moon) E.D.: The second part of her account had to do with the stalking of our space mission by UFOs of our space missions to the moon and so on. She even said that they apparently helped in one case by bringing the Apollo 13 back, that was the impression that she got and.. D.T.: yes but they (aliens) also didn't want that craft to investigate the part of the moon that they was going to, so they may have caused some of it too, but it was supposed, we were told not to go but we ignored it. Now thats what I've heard, that some of the stuff he was telling me. E.D. Did he say that, your direct contact? D.T.: Yes! E.D.: That the United States was told not to go to the moon? D.T.: To that certain place on the back side of the moon. E.D.: And did he know why we weren't supposed to go there? D.T.: I guess they didn't want us to see something back there, I don't know, I don't know that part. (interview winds down a few minutes later and the show is out of time) END Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bionicx 0 Posted June 16, 2003 ** Bionicx hears the faint tune of the X-Files, carried by the wind ** Very interesting indeed. I do have an open mind but a healthy dose of scepticism too. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
