12181802 0 Posted March 28, 2005 In First Contact it seems like it is easy for Picard to kill former crew members who are Borg like Ensign Lynch in the holodeck when he was with Lilly. Picard went back to save Data so why couldn't he save the others. The crew saved Picard from the Borg in the series as well. What do you think about this? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MrPsychic 1 Posted March 28, 2005 Data wasn't yet part of the Collective. Ensign Lynch was, so it would be too difficult and dangerous to seperate him from the Collective. Picard is a Captain, as well as seemingly in command of that Borg Cube, so that's why they used all their resources to bring him back. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kor37 9 Posted March 28, 2005 I'd be less concerned about that than I would about Picard's sudden developement of super powers i.e. Being able to "hear" the Borg. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Itchygomba69 0 Posted March 28, 2005 its not superpowers, he still suffers effects from the borg, also he knows of those effects and feel it would be more humane to kill them then to have them suffer like he did Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MrPsychic 1 Posted March 28, 2005 Well, being able to hear the Borg hasn't been shown in any other episode throughout Star Trek. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kor37 9 Posted March 28, 2005 its not superpowers, he still suffers effects from the borg 313097[/snapback] If true. howcum he couldn't hear Hugh or any of the Borg in that episode? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Odie 0 Posted March 28, 2005 It's just another plot whole or them re-writting cannon. :) I would want to get Data back because all the information that he has in brain. Plus I believe Picard is more connected (no pun intended) to Data than to Ensign Lynch. Data had risk his life when trying to save Picard when he was connected to the Borg the first time. Also Data spoken to him through the Borg connection on the bridge. If Data didn't do that I don't think Picard would have gone back to get him or have the chance to show off arms. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
XFS_Shadow_EliTe 0 Posted March 29, 2005 Someone remind me Wasn't Hugh's bit before their encounter with the Borg Cube that assimilated Picard into their collective and the Enterprise D crew risked everything to get him back? His being able to "hear" the borg, came from that...if I'm not mistaken.. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kor37 9 Posted March 29, 2005 It was after. Remember, Hugh recognized Picard as Locutus. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
XFS_Shadow_EliTe 0 Posted March 29, 2005 I see, memory got fuzzy there, Hugh wasn't part of the main collective, they had split off to form their own collective.. I think... so how could Picard hear another collective? lol Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kor37 9 Posted March 29, 2005 (edited) Picard's biggest screw-up in FC was going back to his own time without cleaning up his mess. He left Borg technology all over the place in the past. The Borg tech that was found in Archer's time was part of Picard's failure to finish the job. Picard's failure caused even more deaths in Archer's time as well as a signal being sent to the Borg homeworld in Archer's time. This caused the Borg to be aware of Earth's existence long before they had to be in turn forcing a meeting with the Borg earlier. In fact, you could argue the point that Picard's screw-up caused his own assimilation. This was gross negligence on the part of Picard and he should have been relieved of command and court-martialed. Edited March 29, 2005 by Kor37 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
A l t e r E g o 9 Posted March 29, 2005 Picard's biggest screw-up in FC was going back to his own time without cleaning up his mess. He left Borg technology all over the place in the past. The Borg tech that was found in Archer's time was part of Picard's failure to finish the job. Picard's failure caused even more deaths in Archer's time as well as a signal being sent to the Borg homeworld in Archer's time. This caused the Borg to be aware of Earth's existence long before they had to be in turn forcing a meeting with the Borg earlier. In fact, you could argue the point that Picard's screw-up caused his own assimilation. This was gross negligence on the part of Picard and he should have been relieved of command and court-martialed. 313439[/snapback] Woah that's right! He should have made sure no debris survived... Guess Starfleet is very forgiving these days. For the topic I agree with MrPsychic, it was too late to save assimilated crewmembers. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MrPsychic 1 Posted March 29, 2005 Basically, Picard's mess up lead to new technology of Enterprise... Goood job Picard Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
KIMIMELA 1 Posted March 29, 2005 :P :( I really wish I know what you talk about...I know so little!!! :blush 2: :( Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MrPsychic 1 Posted March 29, 2005 :( :( I really wish I know what you talk about...I know so little!!! :blush 2: :P 313545[/snapback] Enterprise has much more advanced technology than The Original Series. Many people have wondered if this has to do with the Enterprise-E and Borg Sphere coming back in time. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LordOfTheBorg 1 Posted March 29, 2005 So, its Picards fault that the borg came back to earth. But he's also responsible for the Enterprise(in a way). So, is he a HERO or a IDIOT? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
KIMIMELA 1 Posted March 29, 2005 :( :( I really wish I know what you talk about...I know so little!!! :blush 2: :P 313545[/snapback] Enterprise has much more advanced technology than The Original Series. Many people have wondered if this has to do with the Enterprise-E and Borg Sphere coming back in time. 313560[/snapback] Oh. Thank you for explaining it Justin :lol: :lol: :P :lol: :P Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
krysis 2 Posted March 30, 2005 :) :) I really wish I know what you talk about...I know so little!!! :blush 2: :P 313545[/snapback] I feel the same cos I don't get to watch Enterprise as often as I want to. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MrPsychic 1 Posted March 30, 2005 So, its Picards fault that the borg came back to earth. But he's also responsible for the Enterprise(in a way). So, is he a HERO or a IDIOT? 313569[/snapback] Neither, he made a mistake that worked to Enterprise's favor. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
8247 0 Posted March 30, 2005 Come on, people...Picard was on the Enterprise with the Borg. Riker was on the planet, oblivious to what was going on. They had a very limited amount of time. They had to get the Phoenix into space, and defeat the Borg. Think about it. Wouldnt the Vulcans have detected an explosion on Earth's surface, and wanted to know where that came from before they even landed? They might not have even landed if they saw that explosion. Also, if they had destroyed Enterprise, wouldnt the Vulcans have detected a warp core breach? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
XFS_Shadow_EliTe 0 Posted March 30, 2005 (edited) okay I suppose I see how that goes...still don't know how Picard could hear another collective though...and yeah its too late to save assimilated crew...but he was able to save data :> And how the heck could it be Picard's fault that the borg went back in time...it was part of a daring plan by an evil mind (the Queen) to take out the Federation before it ever existed...if the Enterprise had not followed, she would have succeeded... Edited March 30, 2005 by XFS_Shadow_EliTe Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Itchygomba69 0 Posted April 3, 2005 Picard Knew Data couldnt not become part of the Collective like a Biological being Share this post Link to post Share on other sites