VaBeachGuy 12 Posted April 4, 2004 Below is the transcript of Sunday's special Chat. I was not able to attend but would like to thank Tommy_Boyd and BBKUS for taking time to pay us a visit and answer questions. Also thanks go to Master_Q for setting this chat up and Alterego for his work during the Chat. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
master_q 0 Posted April 5, 2004 PART I Sun Apr 4 14:02:14 2004: Tommy_Boyd [0/] Msg:Hi there. We have storms here so I'll apologise in advance if I get disconnected Sun Apr 4 14:02:23 2004: BBKUS [0/] AAS-Login: Sun Apr 4 14:02:27 2004: Data [0/] Msg:ok Sun Apr 4 14:02:29 2004: Yillara_Soong [0/] Msg:ok Sun Apr 4 14:02:35 2004: Tommy_Boyd [0/] Msg:Great thank you. Sun Apr 4 14:02:35 2004: JulianBashir-Fa [0/] Msg:I'm back. I just had to go across the room to where I sit my coke. Sun Apr 4 14:02:38 2004: spacetigger [0/] Msg:Hello bbkus Sun Apr 4 14:02:44 2004: BBKUS [0/] Msg:Hi there. I'm ready to go! Sun Apr 4 14:02:45 2004: Data [0/] Msg:we have had rain here for days Sun Apr 4 14:02:45 2004: master_q [0/] Msg:Another one of our guests - bbkus. Welcome! Sun Apr 4 14:02:48 2004: scaleman [0/] Msg:ok, got me food and me drink Sun Apr 4 14:02:52 2004: BBKUS [0/] Msg:Thanks. Sun Apr 4 14:03:04 2004: master_q [0/] Msg:How are you doing? Sun Apr 4 14:03:09 2004: JulianBashir-Fa [0/] Msg:HI B B KUS Sun Apr 4 14:03:13 2004: BBKUS [0/] Msg:Doing good, yourself? Sun Apr 4 14:03:19 2004: Tommy_Boyd [0/] Msg:Hi bbkus, have we met? Sun Apr 4 14:03:20 2004: BBKUS [0/] Msg:Hello Julian Sun Apr 4 14:03:24 2004: master_q [0/] Msg:I'm doing great Sun Apr 4 14:03:25 2004: BBKUS [0/] Msg:Not in person Sun Apr 4 14:03:28 2004: davesayu2cool [0/] AAS-Login: Sun Apr 4 14:03:30 2004: Tommy_Boyd [0/] Msg:lol Sun Apr 4 14:03:37 2004: davesayu2cool [0/] Msg:hi Sun Apr 4 14:03:40 2004: master_q [0/] Msg:Remember we are having a special chat please read the portal page Sun Apr 4 14:03:46 2004: master_q [0/] Msg:(If you have not done so) Sun Apr 4 14:03:50 2004: Alterego [0/] Msg:To repete: MQ will ask the guest the first round of questions, please be silen until MQ opens the floor for your questions. Sun Apr 4 14:03:52 2004: JulianBashir-Fa [0/] Msg:*considers changing name to KhansWrath.* Sun Apr 4 14:03:54 2004: master_q [0/] Msg:Shall we start? Sun Apr 4 14:03:56 2004: BBKUS [0/] Msg:This is a pretty big webiste. Sun Apr 4 14:04:02 2004: BBKUS [0/] Msg:I'm ready Sun Apr 4 14:04:06 2004: davesayu2cool [0/] Msg:read what? Sun Apr 4 14:04:11 2004: Tommy_Boyd [0/] Msg:Sure. Yes impressive site to say the least. Sun Apr 4 14:04:14 2004: scaleman [0/] Msg:*wonders if any of his friends from trek.com are here* Sun Apr 4 14:04:15 2004: Data [0/] Msg:ok Sun Apr 4 14:04:15 2004: master_q [0/] Msg:It is on the homepage Sun Apr 4 14:04:23 2004: Yillara_Soong [0/] Msg:ok Sun Apr 4 14:04:27 2004: master_q [0/] Msg:Let's welcomebbkus & Tommy Boyd! They represent the Bring Back Kirk (bbk) group. We are in the chat room to 'interview' them..... to hear *their* opinions and *their* views. So let's welcome them aboard StarTrekFans.net! Sun Apr 4 14:04:39 2004: Indy [0/] Msg:welcome!!! Sun Apr 4 14:04:39 2004: kor37 [0/] AAS-Login: Sun Apr 4 14:04:42 2004: Tommy_Boyd [0/] Msg:Thank you Sun Apr 4 14:04:44 2004: Data [0/] Msg:we can chat in private windows if we wish, right Sun Apr 4 14:04:47 2004: BBKUS [0/] Msg:I just want to say it's a pleasure to be invited. Sun Apr 4 14:04:49 2004: MrLokiWolfe [0/] Msg:welcome Sun Apr 4 14:04:50 2004: Tommy_Boyd [0/] Msg:great to be here Sun Apr 4 14:04:50 2004: scaleman [0/] Msg:hello Sun Apr 4 14:04:58 2004: Yillara_Soong [0/] Msg:good question data Sun Apr 4 14:05:06 2004: master_q [0/] Msg:First I'm going ask some general questions to our guests. After that all of you are free to ask them a few questions you may have.... Thanks! Sun Apr 4 14:05:14 2004: BBKUS [0/] Msg:Sounds good. Sun Apr 4 14:05:14 2004: JulianBashir-Fa [0/] Msg:Remember me, Scaleman??? JulianBashirFan. Sun Apr 4 14:05:20 2004: Alterego [0/] Msg:All guests are asked to now become silent while MQ holds an interview, chat in PM if necessary. Sun Apr 4 14:05:32 2004: master_q [0/] Msg:How exactly do you guys want to bring back Kirk? (A full featured movie, brand new series, guest appearances on ent, ....) Sun Apr 4 14:05:35 2004: scaleman [0/] Msg:jul, it's not the time Sun Apr 4 14:05:54 2004: BBKUS [0/] Msg:We're very open minded on this subject. Basically, our goal is to see Kirk have a happy ending after Generations Sun Apr 4 14:06:20 2004: Tommy_Boyd [0/] Msg:Right now our main emphasis is Enterprise. It's the most practical avenue, but we don't object to any of the mentioned. Sun Apr 4 14:06:20 2004: BBKUS [0/] Msg:The key to us is getting the character a canonical happy ending. So a movie, TV movie, guest on Enterprise, or any format that is canon is what we want Sun Apr 4 14:06:26 2004: JulianBashir-Fa [0/] Logout:_ Sun Apr 4 14:06:40 2004: master_q [0/] Msg:A reasonable question would have to be --- Why bring back Kirk?.......... What caused all of you to start bbk? Sun Apr 4 14:06:51 2004: BBKUS [0/] Msg:It should be noted that earlier this week, William Shatner mentioned that he has an idea to bring Kirk on Enterprise Sun Apr 4 14:07:08 2004: davesayu2cool [0/] AAS-Login: Sun Apr 4 14:07:10 2004: BBKUS [0/] Msg:Captain Kirk is not about death. Neither was tos. The character should end on a happy note--looking for that next adventure Sun Apr 4 14:07:26 2004: master_q [0/] Msg:I see Sun Apr 4 14:07:33 2004: Tommy_Boyd [0/] Msg:I think we all came in at different times and for different reasons. But most of us were pretty appalled with Generations and wanted to get the character back with a bit more dignity. Sun Apr 4 14:07:41 2004: BBKUS [0/] Msg:hhad ST6 been the finale, that would have been perfect, but the idea that Captain Kirk was splatted on a few mountains in a death that was meaningless to the plot is just awful Sun Apr 4 14:07:59 2004: master_q [0/] Msg:Yeah, recently William Shatner has said that he has "written a scenario" that may actually bring back Kirk. That must be very exciting news for all of you at bbk! Sun Apr 4 14:08:16 2004: master_q [0/] Msg:If all of you remember in the Star Trek IV Collectors DVD Edition - in the audio commentary ---- Shatner mentioned that he wishes that they did more Star Trek movies. Sun Apr 4 14:08:23 2004: BBKUS [0/] Msg:No doubt. We just want Paramount to listen. BBK has a pretty strong number of fans behind it. Sun Apr 4 14:08:31 2004: Tommy_Boyd [0/] Msg:Definitely. It really is out of our hands as to the politics involved. Having Mr Shatner get to the negotiating table and pitching an idea is really the next best step. Sun Apr 4 14:08:49 2004: master_q [0/] Msg:Some people argue that William Shatner is too old to play to play Kirk. Is that a reasonable argument or no? Sun Apr 4 14:08:54 2004: BBKUS [0/] Msg:And he should. It's a waste of an excellent resource not to take advantage of Mr. Shatner. I've found that most of the TOS actors simply want to be asked, and would love to return if the script is right. Sun Apr 4 14:08:54 2004: Tommy_Boyd [0/] Msg:YYes, he and Nimoy both agreed on that. Sun Apr 4 14:09:32 2004: BBKUS [0/] Msg:DDavid Gerrold said it best. As long as he is willing and able to get out of bed, he should be allowed to play the part. John Glenn was shot into space on the shuttle at the age of 76. Mr. Shatner is younger, and Glenn did it in the real world. Sun Apr 4 14:09:44 2004: Tommy_Boyd [0/] Msg:It depends on whether or not anyone can be too old to play a character. He'd just be Kirk but aged 73 now. Sun Apr 4 14:10:01 2004: master_q [0/] Msg:Yeah I agree with that Sun Apr 4 14:10:14 2004: master_q [0/] Msg:A confusion a few people seem to have is during the trailer and what it may represent. Is the trailer meant to show an actual storyline in which BBK would like to see in action? Sun Apr 4 14:10:17 2004: BBKUS [0/] Msg:No one is expecting the flying drop kick or double fisted punch. But the Kirk of twok or Balance of Terror can work. And I've seen Mr. Shatner in Spplat Attack, his paintball dvd. The man at 70 has more energy than people half his age Sun Apr 4 14:10:31 2004: master_q [0/] Msg:....... Some people seem to think that the second official trailer suggests that the BBK group wants to combine all five series into one project with the return of Kirk. Is that true? Sun Apr 4 14:10:42 2004: holgram_tara [0/] AAS-Login: Sun Apr 4 14:10:48 2004: BBKUS [0/] Msg:No. The trailer is simply meant to show how exciting Kirk's return could be. It shows that Kirk fits in to the modern era. It's meant to show possibilities Sun Apr 4 14:10:49 2004: holgram_tara [0/] Msg:hello all Sun Apr 4 14:11:02 2004: Alterego [0/] Msg:Shhh! Sun Apr 4 14:11:11 2004: master_q [0/] Msg:What can people do if they want to support your guys’ group and want to bring back Kirk? Sun Apr 4 14:11:18 2004: Tommy_Boyd [0/] Msg:Storyline, definitely not. We deliberately took a story that we knew they couldn't and wouldn't do. The narrative was merely to show the possibilities. You'd never see all that happen on Trek, but seeing Kirk appear on Archer's bridge for example is doable. Sun Apr 4 14:11:30 2004: BBKUS [0/] Msg:Star Trek is one big universe. Mr. Shatner has had a lot of success with the crossover material. Inevitably, his return would be a crossover of sorts, either in cinema or Enterprise. Sun Apr 4 14:11:54 2004: master_q [0/] Msg:Ok --- I'm glad we cleared that up for the people that were confused about that Sun Apr 4 14:12:02 2004: BBKUS [0/] Msg:Well, first, check out www.bringbackkirk.com. There, you will see addresses for fans to write to Paramount. You will also see we have both a newsletter and a discussionlist for people to follow what we're doing. Sun Apr 4 14:12:11 2004: BBKUS [0/] Msg:The key is to just keep hounding Paramount with letters. Sun Apr 4 14:12:17 2004: Tommy_Boyd [0/] Msg:We have an official newsletter at the site www.bringbackkirk.com and everything we do and are about to do is available immediately for our subscribers. Sun Apr 4 14:12:39 2004: spiddy [0/] AAS-Login: Sun Apr 4 14:12:44 2004: master_q [0/] Msg:Referring to the second official trailer..... in basic terms how did you guys go about creating it? It is an impressive trailer. It probably took a lot of work. Sun Apr 4 14:12:52 2004: BBKUS [0/] Msg:Talk it up as well. You can see Mr. Shatner wants back in, and Star Trek could certainly use the ratings boost that Kirk's return would inevitably provide. Sun Apr 4 14:13:05 2004: BBKUS [0/] Msg:I'll let Jason handle that one--he's one of the fab 3. Sun Apr 4 14:13:06 2004: Captain_Jean-Luc_Picard [0/] AAS-Login: Sun Apr 4 14:13:10 2004: holgram_tara [0/] Logout:_ Sun Apr 4 14:13:14 2004: Captain_Jean-Luc_Picard [0/] Msg:Is this the chat? Sun Apr 4 14:13:23 2004: master_q [0/] Msg:It is Sun Apr 4 14:13:28 2004: Captain_Jean-Luc_Picard [0/] Msg:*gets quiet* Sun Apr 4 14:13:40 2004: Tommy_Boyd [0/] Msg:Thank you. It was a labour of love and a lot of sweat. We knew we'd come a long way since we did the first trailer and we knew we could offer something different and better. That it nearly killed us is nothing compared to the great emails and feedback. Sun Apr 4 14:13:57 2004: BBKUS [0/] Msg:I'll just add that what I found impressive was that three people, with a budget of $0.00, did this. None of them met, and each one is from a separate country. usa, UK, and Netherlands. If they could do this, imagine what Paramount could do. Sun Apr 4 14:14:40 2004: master_q [0/] Msg:It is impressive and from my view point I support what all of you are doing Sun Apr 4 14:14:46 2004: Tommy_Boyd [0/] Msg:Well to be truthful there was a wine budget. But it wasn't Chatteux Picard. We have to wait a few centuries for that ^_^ Sun Apr 4 14:15:02 2004: BBKUS [0/] Msg:Trials and Tribbleations scored a rating of 7.7. No Trek episode has done as well since. That episode did 35% higher than the average DS9 episode that year. Imagine what the real return of Kirk on Enterprise would do for that show. Sun Apr 4 14:15:11 2004: Tommy_Boyd [0/] Msg:Thank you very much. Sun Apr 4 14:15:23 2004: BBKUS [0/] Msg:We appreciate all the support. Sun Apr 4 14:15:23 2004: master_q [0/] Msg:But do you think that will still hold true today? Sun Apr 4 14:15:32 2004: BBKUS [0/] Msg:Absolutely. Sun Apr 4 14:15:36 2004: master_q [0/] Msg:Why? Sun Apr 4 14:16:04 2004: Tommy_Boyd [0/] Msg:I think people are more into nostalgia and heroes as much as ever. Christopher Reeve for example knocked up the highest rating for Smallville ever. People love these guys. Sun Apr 4 14:16:05 2004: BBKUS [0/] Msg:Just last November, the highest rated Sweeps show was Andy Griffith standing around talking with Ron Howard and Don Knotts. Christopher Reeve's stint on Smallville was that show's highest rated episode Sun Apr 4 14:16:14 2004: BBKUS [0/] Msg:People love this stuff. Sun Apr 4 14:16:34 2004: BBKUS [0/] Msg:Look at all the buzz our trailer got. Imagine what the real thing would do, with Mr. Shatner promoting it. Enterprise would get much needed press. Sun Apr 4 14:16:37 2004: kirk1701 [0/] AAS-Login: Sun Apr 4 14:16:41 2004: BBKUS [0/] Msg:That leads to ratings. Sun Apr 4 14:16:49 2004: Tommy_Boyd [0/] Msg:Also bear in mind that William Shatner is doing his third successful Kirk trilogy, set after Generations. Sun Apr 4 14:16:50 2004: BBKUS [0/] Msg:Ratings leads to higher advertising rates. Sun Apr 4 14:17:06 2004: master_q [0/] Msg:That is true Sun Apr 4 14:17:12 2004: BBKUS [0/] Msg:Jason is right. The Shatnerverse books are among Pocket's bestsellers. THE return was one of the best selling books ever. Sun Apr 4 14:17:39 2004: Tommy_Boyd [0/] Msg:Ratings aren't really what animates our campaign, but it could be a bi-product if people tune in to see Kirk and also see what a great show they're missing. Sun Apr 4 14:17:46 2004: BBKUS [0/] Msg:More important, if Enterprise truly has 12 episodes with 12 on the bubble, the ratings from using 2 of those episodes for a Kirk return would go a long way to convincing UPN to renew the show for a full year. Sun Apr 4 14:18:21 2004: BBKUS [0/] Msg:Kirk's return would be the opposite of the Kobayashi Maru. It would be the no-lose scenario. Fans win because they get Kirk back. Trek wins because one of its greatest characters returns. UPN wins because of ratings. Sun Apr 4 14:18:39 2004: master_q [0/] Msg:So all of you do think that bringing back Kirk would reenergize Star Trek Sun Apr 4 14:18:43 2004: Tommy_Boyd [0/] Msg:And don't forget the merchandising Sun Apr 4 14:18:45 2004: BBKUS [0/] Msg:If done right, the character could return to other eras as well. Sun Apr 4 14:19:06 2004: BBKUS [0/] Msg:Absolutely. Like the character or not, he gets your attention. Even those against the campaign will watch. Again, everyone wins. Sun Apr 4 14:19:19 2004: Tommy_Boyd [0/] Msg:Plus Bill is getting back into episodic television to great reviews. He's definitely in a position to pull this off. Sun Apr 4 14:19:25 2004: sulati [0/] AAS-Login: Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
master_q 0 Posted April 5, 2004 Part II Sun Apr 4 14:19:33 2004: master_q [0/] Msg:If anyone has any questions for are guests then ask away........... Sun Apr 4 14:19:34 2004: BBKUS [0/] Msg:TOS hasn't been used for real in 10 years. The return of Kirk would be a major shot in the arm. Sun Apr 4 14:19:44 2004: Alterego [0/] Msg:I reccomend we have questions from the STF members in alpha. order. Question from Data? Sun Apr 4 14:19:53 2004: Tommy_Boyd [0/] Msg:Cool. Hi Data Sun Apr 4 14:19:59 2004: Data [0/] Msg:Hi Sun Apr 4 14:20:05 2004: BBKUS [0/] Msg:All we ask is one at a time. Makes it easier. Sun Apr 4 14:20:12 2004: sulati [0/] Logout:_ Sun Apr 4 14:20:37 2004: Data [0/] Msg:I am curious about the happy ending idea. Sun Apr 4 14:20:42 2004: shrek [0/] AAS-Login: Sun Apr 4 14:20:46 2004: kirk1701 [0/] AAS-Login: Sun Apr 4 14:21:05 2004: kirk1701 [0/] AAS-Login: Sun Apr 4 14:21:08 2004: BBKUS [0/] Msg:Well, the idea is that Kirk is not a character you need to see die. See ST6 for an example. The endings of Avenger and Preserver were also great. Sun Apr 4 14:21:22 2004: kirk1701 [0/] AAS-Login: Sun Apr 4 14:21:29 2004: shrek [0/] Logout:_ Sun Apr 4 14:21:31 2004: BBKUS [0/] Msg:There are characters that are just a part of our culture. You don't kill them. Batman, Bond, etc. Sun Apr 4 14:21:32 2004: Alterego [0/] Msg:Question Data? Sun Apr 4 14:21:38 2004: Alterego [0/] Msg:Sorry Sun Apr 4 14:22:01 2004: Alterego [0/] Msg:2cool? Sun Apr 4 14:22:07 2004: kirk1701 [0/] Msg:Could you explain the battle scene in the BBK Trailer? Sun Apr 4 14:22:11 2004: Data [0/] Msg:How positive would the happy ending be do you think Sun Apr 4 14:22:19 2004: Tommy_Boyd [0/] Msg:Certainly Kirk is about dealing with tragedy and impossible odds. But he's always found optimism out of those crisis. They kind of forgot that when scripting his end. Sun Apr 4 14:22:25 2004: BBKUS [0/] Msg:Captain Kirk's death not only was utterly awful, it meant nothing to the plot. If you think about it, had they lost, they would have just gone back into the nexus and tried again. Plus, why not just come out of the nexus a few minutes earlier and slap the Sun Apr 4 14:22:31 2004: BBKUS [0/] Msg:cuffs on Soran? Sun Apr 4 14:22:39 2004: Tommy_Boyd [0/] Msg:Battle scene, sure what would you like to know Sun Apr 4 14:23:00 2004: BBKUS [0/] Msg:Kirk was not about death--he was about cheating it. The character still sells. Sun Apr 4 14:23:02 2004: kirk1701 [0/] Msg:Did Archer go into Kirk's era? Sun Apr 4 14:23:14 2004: Data [0/] Msg:of course anything could happen with the Nexus Sun Apr 4 14:23:30 2004: Tommy_Boyd [0/] Msg:Yes, he was in a scene set in Astro Metrics on Voyager. He helped Kirk and Chakotay detect the Suliban base. Sun Apr 4 14:23:57 2004: BBKUS [0/] Msg:The nexus was an open enough plot device that anything could happen with it. Though even that isn't necessary to use to bring back KIrk. We believe the writers can do it. Sun Apr 4 14:23:59 2004: Tommy_Boyd [0/] Msg:The Nexus is a loophole in that any time or place can be visited by any traveller in there. Sun Apr 4 14:24:16 2004: Alterego [0/] Msg:Fleet captain? Sun Apr 4 14:24:16 2004: master_q [0/] Msg:Does anyone else have a question? Sun Apr 4 14:24:19 2004: Fleet_Captain_Rick_Alverado [0/] Msg:Would you support Shatner's Star Trek novels being made canon as a way of bringing back Kirk? Sun Apr 4 14:24:19 2004: MrLokiWolfe [0/] Msg:i do Sun Apr 4 14:24:22 2004: scaleman [0/] Msg:i do Sun Apr 4 14:24:31 2004: BBKUS [0/] Msg:Absolutely. We would welcome that. Sun Apr 4 14:24:37 2004: BBKUS [0/] Msg:I love those books--read all of them. Sun Apr 4 14:24:47 2004: scaleman [0/] Msg:The Return as a movie would be great Sun Apr 4 14:24:47 2004: Data [0/] Msg:which would you chose first Sun Apr 4 14:24:47 2004: Alterego [0/] Msg:Wait till your name is called. Sun Apr 4 14:24:52 2004: Tommy_Boyd [0/] Msg:Yes, especially a nice nod in an episode or future movie. Sun Apr 4 14:25:00 2004: Data [0/] Msg:sorry Sun Apr 4 14:25:06 2004: BBKUS [0/] Msg:Plus, using those books allows for the use of the character without using too much time in explaining the return. Sun Apr 4 14:25:17 2004: Tommy_Boyd [0/] Msg:The chicken or the egg? Didn't Q answer that for us ^_^ Sun Apr 4 14:25:39 2004: scaleman [0/] Msg:emm, tying V'Ger with the borg was a neat idea in that book, don't you think? Sun Apr 4 14:25:40 2004: Alterego [0/] Msg:Indy? Sun Apr 4 14:25:50 2004: Alterego [0/] Msg:Sorry. Sun Apr 4 14:25:59 2004: Alterego [0/] Msg:Done? Sun Apr 4 14:26:06 2004: Indy [0/] Msg:My question has already been answered, but do you know if any of those books have been pitched as an idea for a movie? Sun Apr 4 14:26:14 2004: Indy [0/] Msg:The Shatner books, I mean Sun Apr 4 14:26:16 2004: Tommy_Boyd [0/] Msg:V'Ger and the Borg, yes it was a nice idea. They tend to tie a lot of loose threads up in the Shatnerverse novels. Sun Apr 4 14:26:21 2004: BBKUS [0/] Msg:yes. Shatner originally pitched the Return on the set of Generations. Sun Apr 4 14:26:30 2004: BBKUS [0/] Msg:When Berman declined, the books were born. Sun Apr 4 14:26:31 2004: Indy [0/] Msg:And it was rejected? Sun Apr 4 14:26:36 2004: BBKUS [0/] Msg:Unfortunately, yes. Sun Apr 4 14:26:42 2004: Indy [0/] Msg:ook, thanks Sun Apr 4 14:26:44 2004: Alterego [0/] Msg:Kirk1701? Sun Apr 4 14:26:48 2004: Captain_Jean-Luc_Picard [0/] Msg:I was away. Is it open question time? Sun Apr 4 14:27:00 2004: BBKUS [0/] Msg:However, there is still hope for Kirk's return, via Enterprise or any way. Sun Apr 4 14:27:00 2004: scaleman [0/] Msg:why didn't sulu make an appearance? Sun Apr 4 14:27:04 2004: Alterego [0/] Msg:You said you had no question! Sun Apr 4 14:27:20 2004: BBKUS [0/] Msg:Nothing in the canon has Sulu in the 24th century. That's really the only reason. Sun Apr 4 14:27:22 2004: Captain_Jean-Luc_Picard [0/] Msg:I thought that was for the "submit a question" part. Sorry... ^_^ Sun Apr 4 14:27:29 2004: kirk1701 [0/] Msg:Talk more about the trailer....plot stills seems confusing to me alittle Sun Apr 4 14:27:35 2004: Alterego [0/] Msg:Wolfe? Sun Apr 4 14:27:37 2004: MrLokiWolfe [0/] Msg:i love kirk, and have all the books shatner wrote on kirks return, but, wouldnt it be nice for a trek character to die and stay dead. Kirk said he knew he would die alone, and even though he was with picard, none of the TOS 7 were with him. Sun Apr 4 14:27:39 2004: Tommy_Boyd [0/] Msg:Sulu, good question. It really had to do with too much convenience if he was. Sun Apr 4 14:27:44 2004: Alterego [0/] Msg:Sorry nm Sun Apr 4 14:28:03 2004: MrLokiWolfe [0/] Msg:doesnt bringing him back risk making it a parody off it all Sun Apr 4 14:28:03 2004: BBKUS [0/] Msg:Plenty of Trek characters have died and stayed dead. But Kirk should not be one of them. His character needs to end on an optimistic note. Sun Apr 4 14:28:23 2004: BBKUS [0/] Msg:On the contrary, bringing him back would reinvigorate the franchise. Just look at the excitement from the trailer. Sun Apr 4 14:28:24 2004: master_q [0/] Msg:Yeah I think that's a more then reasonable question Sun Apr 4 14:28:26 2004: MrLokiWolfe [0/] Msg:But he died doing what he was best at, saving people Sun Apr 4 14:28:33 2004: Tommy_Boyd [0/] Msg:Incidentally Kirk was the only Trek main character killed without a happy ending. Tasha Yar got a second go. Jadzia lives on in Ezri. Sun Apr 4 14:28:58 2004: BBKUS [0/] Msg:Not really. Kirk died for no reason at all. They could have just left the nexus a few minutes earlier and slapped the cuffs on Soran Sun Apr 4 14:29:03 2004: MrLokiWolfe [0/] Msg:i felt that kirk showing he was at peace with his death was a happy ending Sun Apr 4 14:29:27 2004: scaleman [0/] Msg:perhaps a "return" to the signing off scene from star trek 6 is in order? Sun Apr 4 14:29:27 2004: Alterego [0/] Msg:These are not questions... Sun Apr 4 14:29:31 2004: BBKUS [0/] Msg:Kirk is always about the next adventure. Plus, if Mr. Shatner wants back in, that's big. He deserves his finale. Sun Apr 4 14:29:38 2004: Tommy_Boyd [0/] Msg:Actually if you read Shatner's movie memories the inspiration for that final scene was that Kirk had scene the next adventure. He knew it wasn't it :P Sun Apr 4 14:30:11 2004: Indy [0/] Msg:agreed Sun Apr 4 14:30:18 2004: BBKUS [0/] Msg:Again, if Mr. Shatner was satisfied, he wouldn't have written so many books. Nor would he be interested in resurrecting the character on Enterprise. Sun Apr 4 14:30:35 2004: master_q [0/] Msg:That is a good point Sun Apr 4 14:30:47 2004: Tommy_Boyd [0/] Msg:Also it wasn't just the fans that hated the ending. Nimoy and Takei have both said publically that it stunk. Writers for the original series have emailed us and agreed that it wasn't honourable and didn't do justice to the character that they wrote for. Sun Apr 4 14:30:55 2004: scaleman [0/] Msg:how about making kirk "shadow man", or would that be too cliche? Sun Apr 4 14:31:02 2004: BBKUS [0/] Msg:Star Trek is always about possibilities. Captain Kirk does not want to die. Never did. He's a hero. Sun Apr 4 14:31:21 2004: Data [0/] Logout:_ Sun Apr 4 14:31:26 2004: Yillara_Soong [0/] Logout:_ Sun Apr 4 14:31:34 2004: BBKUS [0/] Msg:There are only 3 things that could make the Kirk situation worse than it currently is. 1. Kill him again. 2. Not have him be the real Kirk. 3. Make him evil Sun Apr 4 14:31:40 2004: Tommy_Boyd [0/] Msg:I think making Kirk future guy would have been a great idea if it was the mirror counterpart, but it wouldn't be new because the fans have tossed it around for years now :( Sun Apr 4 14:31:46 2004: drwho42 [0/] AAS-Login: Sun Apr 4 14:31:47 2004: BBKUS [0/] Msg:So having Kirk be future guy is just not the right thing to do. Sun Apr 4 14:32:12 2004: BBKUS [0/] Msg:But if Future Guy was indeed Tiberius, then you would need Captain Kirk back to stop him. Sun Apr 4 14:32:20 2004: Tommy_Boyd [0/] Msg:Having Khan future guy would be cool though. Especially if the genesis wave recreated him like it did Spock. Sun Apr 4 14:32:46 2004: master_q [0/] Msg:That would be cool Sun Apr 4 14:32:53 2004: BBKUS [0/] Msg:The key is fixing Generations. No clone, mirror double, evil twin, second death, hologram, or any other version that isn't post Generations would work Sun Apr 4 14:32:57 2004: Tommy_Boyd [0/] Msg:Who knows Khan and the Reliant might still have been out there... And Khan would be about the right age in the 24th century Sun Apr 4 14:33:13 2004: drwho42 [0/] JoinRoom:Trivia Sun Apr 4 14:33:15 2004: drwho42 [0/] JoinRoom:Kronos Sun Apr 4 14:33:17 2004: drwho42 [0/] JoinRoom:_ Sun Apr 4 14:33:27 2004: BBKUS [0/] Msg:Personally, I would love to see Mike Sussman have a crack at Kirk's return. He's shown interest in a prior interview, and he is a known TOS fan Sun Apr 4 14:33:34 2004: JulianBashir-Fa [0/] AAS-Login: Sun Apr 4 14:33:42 2004: kor37 [0/] Msg:Would you be opposed to a younger actor playing the Kirk of the TV series era for some guest shot on Enterprise or in a movie? Sun Apr 4 14:33:45 2004: Tommy_Boyd [0/] Msg:He's also written some of the best Enterprise and later Voyager episodes. Sun Apr 4 14:34:23 2004: scaleman [0/] Msg:seeing as how fan made series are going, is it possible that kirk could be revived on one of those and be canon? Sun Apr 4 14:34:28 2004: BBKUS [0/] Msg:Before a younger actor can be cast, the key would be to have Shatner get his swan song. And I think Mr. Shatner should be involved in casting a replacement. Necessary to legitimatize it. Sun Apr 4 14:34:38 2004: harrykim [0/] AAS-Login: Sun Apr 4 14:34:43 2004: BBKUS [0/] Msg:Scaleman, that's up to Paramount. Sun Apr 4 14:34:43 2004: kor37 [0/] Msg:good point Sun Apr 4 14:34:46 2004: Tommy_Boyd [0/] Msg:A younger actor would be fine if they were doing the Academy years and Shatner and Nimoy had cameos as their future selfs. But I don't see the profitablility unless you're using Collin Farrell etc lol Sun Apr 4 14:35:07 2004: Alterego [0/] Msg:Space tigger? Sun Apr 4 14:35:29 2004: Tommy_Boyd [0/] Msg:Unfortunately Paramount view all stories by the fans, and indeed most novels by Trek writers non-canon. Sun Apr 4 14:35:37 2004: JulianBashir-Fa [0/] Msg:How would you bring Kirk back exactly? What general ideal of the story be? Sun Apr 4 14:35:38 2004: spacetigger [0/] Msg:My questions have been answered..But has Paramount been appeoached with any of this? Sun Apr 4 14:35:41 2004: harrykim [0/] Msg:Guys, sorry I came in late. Sun Apr 4 14:35:51 2004: BBKUS [0/] Msg:Imagine Paramount's point of view--they have to worry about their product. Sun Apr 4 14:36:08 2004: Tommy_Boyd [0/] Msg:I suppose that's a blessing too. I've read fanfics were Kirk and Spock had to make love because Spock was on ponn farr. Each to their own but that's not the characters I remember lol Sun Apr 4 14:36:25 2004: Indy [0/] Msg:oh my Sun Apr 4 14:36:25 2004: BBKUS [0/] Msg:To come up with specific storylines is something that should be left to the writers. We provided one scenario in the trailer, while Mr. Shatner showed how it could work in print. Both have been successful Sun Apr 4 14:36:26 2004: Alterego [0/] Msg:Dont ask questions until asked please... Sun Apr 4 14:36:37 2004: drwho42 [0/] Msg:k Sun Apr 4 14:37:00 2004: Alterego [0/] Msg:Spiddy? Sun Apr 4 14:37:09 2004: BBKUS [0/] Msg:As for Paramount being approached, they've received plenty of mail on it. ST Communicator once said Kirk's return was a major subject that they get constant letters on. Sun Apr 4 14:37:35 2004: spiddy [0/] Msg:i do;t have one Sun Apr 4 14:37:39 2004: Tommy_Boyd [0/] Msg:Me personally, I would have Kirk show up in Archer's time, and have Archer not trust Kirk. For the first time in his career, Kirk would have to prove himself to people who've never heard of him. It would be about trust, galactic consequences and T'Pol :( Sun Apr 4 14:37:39 2004: Alterego [0/] Msg:cj-lp? Sun Apr 4 14:37:39 2004: master_q [0/] Msg:Yeah, you guys have something on your website on this, correct? Sun Apr 4 14:38:02 2004: Captain_Jean-Luc_Picard [0/] Msg:Yes Sun Apr 4 14:38:09 2004: BBKUS [0/] Msg:We do. I urge people to explore http://www.bringbackkirk.com thoroughly. We even interviewed David Gerrold. Sun Apr 4 14:38:17 2004: Captain_Jean-Luc_Picard [0/] Msg:Ack, chat thing wouldn't work... K, here's my question. Sun Apr 4 14:38:18 2004: JulianBashir-Fa [0/] Logout:_ Sun Apr 4 14:38:21 2004: Alterego [0/] Msg:You're next Captain. Sun Apr 4 14:38:31 2004: JulianBashir-Fa [0/] AAS-Login: Sun Apr 4 14:38:32 2004: JulianBashir-Fa [0/] JoinRoom:Trivia Sun Apr 4 14:38:40 2004: JulianBashir-Fa [0/] JoinRoom:Kronos Sun Apr 4 14:38:46 2004: Libby [0/] AAS-Login: Sun Apr 4 14:38:48 2004: JulianBashir-Fa [0/] JoinRoom:Trivia Sun Apr 4 14:38:51 2004: JulianBashir-Fa [0/] JoinRoom:_ Sun Apr 4 14:39:01 2004: JulianBashir-Fa [0/] JoinRoom:_ Sun Apr 4 14:39:15 2004: Captain_Jean-Luc_Picard [0/] Msg:If Captain Kirk is brought back... Would we see him in a new TV show, movie, book series, recast by a younger actor, or something else? In other words, I'm asking "why" we would see Captain Kirk. Would he command the Enterprise-F or something? Sun Apr 4 14:39:24 2004: BBKUS [0/] Msg:Scott Bakula has mentioned it would be cool to have Kirk show up. Berman has shown an open mind. Braga once admitted at a convention killing Kirk is a mistake. Sussman would love to see it happen. Sun Apr 4 14:39:55 2004: harrykim [0/] Logout:_ Sun Apr 4 14:39:56 2004: BBKUS [0/] Msg:There are many possibilities for Kirk's return. Right now, we want to see Kirk, post Generations. That's the key. Recasting wouldn't do that yet. Sun Apr 4 14:40:14 2004: BBKUS [0/] Msg:Kirk would come back for one adventure or two. It's not about re-centering the franchise on the character or Mr. Shatner. Sun Apr 4 14:40:22 2004: BBKUS [0/] Msg:It's about giving the character a happy ending that he deserves. Sun Apr 4 14:40:30 2004: JulianBashir-Fa [0/] Logout:_ Sun Apr 4 14:40:33 2004: Tommy_Boyd [0/] Msg:I don't think Kirk's comeback would have to have him in a central role. He'd be either guesting in someone elses era or kickstarting a new era. I think he can be used kind of like Admiral Ross in ds9, as an experienced Starfleet advisor/commander capacity Sun Apr 4 14:41:07 2004: master_q [0/] Msg:Everyone have their chance to ask a question? Sun Apr 4 14:41:10 2004: Tommy_Boyd [0/] Msg:I'd have him as a recurring guest hero in Enterprise. Sun Apr 4 14:41:11 2004: kirk1701 [0/] Msg:It would be even better if Shadow Man was someone from Kirk's past, so it's more personal for him to come back Sun Apr 4 14:41:15 2004: BBKUS [0/] Msg:There are many possibilities. Kirk's involvement should be a function of Mr. Shatner's interest. He's a busy man with the new show next year and Miss Congeniality 2. Whatever he wants should be what happens. Sun Apr 4 14:41:25 2004: BBKUS [0/] Msg:I agree with Jason on that. Sun Apr 4 14:41:58 2004: scaleman [0/] Msg:having watched your trailer, you have sisko return from being with the prophets, could they somehow bring kirk back? Sun Apr 4 14:42:01 2004: Tommy_Boyd [0/] Msg:Certainly tying Kirk into the cold war time would be great. They'd have to make sure though that Kirk was just an aid for Archer, and didn't take over Archer's mission. I'd like to see conflict between the two characters. They're both great actors. Sun Apr 4 14:42:05 2004: MrLokiWolfe [0/] Msg:i would like to ask a question Sun Apr 4 14:42:06 2004: BBKUS [0/] Msg:The key that people should understand is that it's not about just tos. Star Trek is one big universe. It's time to re-include tos. Mr. Shatner did that in his books, and had enormous success. Sun Apr 4 14:42:10 2004: Alterego [0/] Msg:Tinme for two more questions... Sun Apr 4 14:42:43 2004: Tommy_Boyd [0/] Msg:The prophets, definitely. There are so many ways Kirk can return, that's the no-brainer part. What I'd like to know is what Shatner has in mind when he pitches to the staff, hopefully soon. Sun Apr 4 14:43:04 2004: master_q [0/] Msg:Me 2 Sun Apr 4 14:43:27 2004: BBKUS [0/] Msg:We definitely want Enterprise renewed because it leads to the possibility of a Kirk appearance. We'd all win Sun Apr 4 14:43:55 2004: Tommy_Boyd [0/] Msg:And my colleague loves the decon scenes Sun Apr 4 14:43:58 2004: Alterego [0/] Msg:Wolfe? Sun Apr 4 14:43:59 2004: MrLokiWolfe [0/] Msg:arent you concerned that it would be viewed as only a marketing ploy, and having kirk return even if for only a proper death could hurt the characters dignity Sun Apr 4 14:44:09 2004: Unadopted_Angelic [0/] AAS-Login: Sun Apr 4 14:44:09 2004: Chronic [0/] AAS-Login: Sun Apr 4 14:44:28 2004: scaleman [0/] Msg:maybe they could have shadow guy be shatner himself, not kirk, having ended up as shadow guy because we got tired of his priceline commercials Sun Apr 4 14:44:31 2004: BBKUS [0/] Msg:There is no such thing as a proper death. Killing him again would only make the situation work. As for a marketing ploy, it doesn't matter. Let them market. Sun Apr 4 14:44:43 2004: master_q [0/] Msg:Again I want to thank bbkus & Tommy Boyd for coming. It has been fun. I hope in the future all of you will come back for an update on how the BBK is doing and the progress of your goal. Sun Apr 4 14:44:45 2004: Tommy_Boyd [0/] Msg:I think they key is his dignity was betrayed in the final scenes in Generations, and a lot of people have turned off feeling betrayed as TOS fans themselves. Kirk's dignity has always been in the characters ability to change the rules Sun Apr 4 14:44:45 2004: BBKUS [0/] Msg:But the bottom line is that marketing is based on fan demand, and that's what the return of Kirk has. Sun Apr 4 14:45:12 2004: master_q [0/] Msg:Do any of you have any final thoughts, bbkus & Tommy? Sun Apr 4 14:45:40 2004: BBKUS [0/] Msg:Kirk has always overcome the odds. Generations should be no different. The character deserves to ride into the sunset. Mr. Shatner obviously wants it, and we will never stop fighting for it until the goal is achieved. Sun Apr 4 14:45:49 2004: Tommy_Boyd [0/] Msg:Thanks Master Q, it's been a great chat and very welcoming and friendly. I'm genuinely pleased at the intelligence of the questions. Thanks for the great questions guys ^_^ Sun Apr 4 14:46:01 2004: master_q [0/] Msg:Thanks again. We will see you out there! Sun Apr 4 14:46:02 2004: scaleman [0/] Msg:your welcome Sun Apr 4 14:46:04 2004: BBKUS [0/] Msg:http://www.bringbackkirk.com/subscribe.html That's our newsletter. We hope people sign up/; Sun Apr 4 14:46:13 2004: master_q [0/] Msg:I will Sun Apr 4 14:46:14 2004: MrLokiWolfe [0/] Msg:take care and good luck with kirks return Sun Apr 4 14:46:14 2004: BBKUS [0/] Msg:Thanks a lot for having us. We'd love to do this again. Sun Apr 4 14:46:14 2004: Indy [0/] Msg:Thanks!! Sun Apr 4 14:46:17 2004: spacetigger [0/] Msg:Thanks for cgatting with us.. Sun Apr 4 14:46:20 2004: MrLokiWolfe [0/] Msg:i mean that Sun Apr 4 14:46:24 2004: drwho42 [0/] Msg:*chatting Sun Apr 4 14:46:24 2004: Indy [0/] Msg:Good luck!! Sun Apr 4 14:46:26 2004: Tommy_Boyd [0/] Msg:Definitely. If anyone has any more questions they can definitely get in touch with us via the site Sun Apr 4 14:46:29 2004: spacetigger [0/] Msg:Good Luck Sun Apr 4 14:46:34 2004: Tommy_Boyd [0/] Msg:Thanks! Sun Apr 4 14:46:36 2004: BBKUS [0/] Msg:Anytime. Officials@bringbackkirk.com is a way to reach us Sun Apr 4 14:46:37 2004: master_q [0/] Msg:Thanks again for coming. We will post the transcript on the website. Sun Apr 4 14:46:39 2004: Mrs.Picard [0/] AAS-Login: Sun Apr 4 14:46:41 2004: kirk1701 [0/] Msg:Thanks!!! Sun Apr 4 14:46:44 2004: Alterego [0/] Msg:I too want to say thanks to the guests and thanks to the members for asking great questions and helping to make this a smooth meeting. Sun Apr 4 14:46:48 2004: BBKUS [0/] Msg:Have a great rest of the weekend. Sun Apr 4 14:46:55 2004: drwho42 [0/] Msg:*wanders the ceiling* Sun Apr 4 14:46:55 2004: Chronic [0/] Logout:_ Sun Apr 4 14:46:56 2004: Indy [0/] Msg:Master_q, are you going to post the transcript? Sun Apr 4 14:47:01 2004: Mrs.Picard [0/] Logout:_ Sun Apr 4 14:47:03 2004: master_q [0/] Msg:Yes Sun Apr 4 14:47:04 2004: Tommy_Boyd [0/] Msg:Yes, see you all out there! Sun Apr 4 14:47:11 2004: scaleman [0/] Msg:emm, transcript, hehe Sun Apr 4 14:47:24 2004: MrLokiWolfe [0/] Msg:feel free tommy and bbkus to come in to chat anytime Sun Apr 4 14:47:32 2004: MrLokiWolfe [0/] Msg:even for fun Sun Apr 4 14:47:34 2004: Unadopted_Angelic [0/] Msg:I wish you guys all the best Sun Apr 4 14:47:34 2004: Fleet_Captain_Rick_Alverado [0/] Msg:is there a way I can watch the Bring Back Kirk Trailer online without having to download it? Sun Apr 4 14:47:40 2004: Tommy_Boyd [0/] Msg:I will do thanks. Sun Apr 4 14:47:48 2004: Tommy_Boyd [0/] Msg:Thank you everyone. Sun Apr 4 14:47:51 2004: drwho42 [0/] Msg:yw Sun Apr 4 14:47:51 2004: BBKUS [0/] Msg:I don't think that's possible, though there are low, medium and high quality versions. Sun Apr 4 14:47:58 2004: BBKUS [0/] Msg:bbk.darthdavid.com is a direct link. Sun Apr 4 14:48:08 2004: Tommy_Boyd [0/] Msg:I think in time we'll put low quality streams online Sun Apr 4 14:48:08 2004: master_q [0/] Msg:Bye. Thanks again! :( Sun Apr 4 14:48:16 2004: BBKUS [0/] Msg:You wouldn't want to watch it that way anyway. It would be choppy. Sun Apr 4 14:48:25 2004: BBKUS [0/] Msg:Anyway, I must get going. Have a good day. Sun Apr 4 14:48:29 2004: drwho42 [0/] Msg:thanx Sun Apr 4 14:48:38 2004: Tommy_Boyd [0/] Msg:See ya and thanks again *waves* Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
