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  1. Posted

    Gotta love wikipedia:

     

    Origin of the Borg

     

    It has also been speculated that there could be a connection between the origin of the Borg and V'ger, the vessel encountered in Star Trek: The Motion Picture, as is asserted in William Shatner's novel, The Return. The two organisms are similar in philosophy:

     

        * The Borg are born as wholly organic beings, and melded with hardware to become part machine. They idolize a totally machine state, which is what allows Lore to conquer them in 'Descent'.

        * V'ger is originally a machine, but it wanted to see and touch its creator in order to proceed to the next level of life.

     

    The final form of V'ger is the machine somehow "melted" with the two persons. With reasonable conjecture, the Borg, a cybernetic organism, a mixture between man and the machine, is born.

     

    Following Star Trek: First Contact, the "Borg from V'Ger" origin theory has a few obstacles.

     

      1. The Borg attempt to use the Enterprise's deflector dish as a subspace transmitter to contact the Borg existing in their time. Voyagers 3-6 have not been launched as of 2005. Assuming V'Ger (Voyager 6) was launched some time in 2005, by 2063 a spacecraft traveling at Warp .99 would be no more than a short trip from Earth at maximum warp, hardly a distance which would require a subspace transmitter to contact anybody.

      2. V'Ger has not merged with its creator prior to this date, and thus would not yet be part human

      3. Even before the film was released, Guinan mentioned (in an episode of Star Trek: The Next Generation) that the Borg had been in existence for thousands of years, so they would already have been around long before V'Ger was ever created.

      4. This is also supported by the story of the Vaadwaur who reported contact with the Borg 900 years ago – that episode took place in the 2370s, so contact between the Borg and Vaadwaur would be in the 1400s.

     

    However this origin story could be reversed into a "V'Ger from Borg" origin theory – V'Ger could have been aided by Borg. V'Ger mentions in a visual presentation of its origin that it was once a smaller machine, one of NASA's Voyager space probes. It was then rescued and augmented by a race of machines... however, the name or nature of this machine planet is never elaborated upon, and could well belong to the Borg.

     

    One could go even further and pose the question "Why, if they have been around for thousands of years, have the Borg not succeeded in dominating the galaxy?" There are few examples of effective resistance being offered the Borg, and the two battles of Sector 001, both of which ended in a Borg defeat (though the second outcome is perhaps not so clear-cut), must surely be the exception. Human beings will not make contact with intelligent extraterrestrial life until 2063, and Species 8472, the other race on the short list of those who have defended territory against the Borg, does not enter space as we know it until about 400 years later. Again however, the Vaadwaur might provide an answer by stating the species had several encounters with the Borg, and "lived to tell the tale". This would suggest that the Borg were not the overwhelming force of the 24th century for most of their existence.

     

    Another explanation may lie in the particulars of the evolution of the Borg. V'Ger's mission is "to learn all that is learnable" – perhaps to an intelligent machine all that is learnable is abstraction. Were V'Ger to join, perhaps become an emissary for a race (or collective) of computers whose purpose is to collect all of the information in the Universe – to dominate the Platonic realm, one could view the Borg as having more machine history than cybernetic and see the mission of the Borg as it is more commonly understood – one of acquisition and integration of all of the life, culture, and technology in the Universe – as having been born the day V'Ger "joined" with Captain Decker. The purpose of this joining was to enable V'Ger to understand "the rest of the picture" – could this terrible menace be machine thought sparked by a glimpse of human understanding?

     

    The obstacle to a "V'Ger from Borg" theory is the apparently great distance between Earth and the space dominated by Borg. Possible rationalizations to address this include:

     

      1. since the Borg were obviously able to travel back into time in the film, it is conceivable that they travelled back at another point to establish a hive in the 21st Century.

      2. V'Ger mentions (again in its visual presentation of its origin) that it passed through a kind of disturbance, possibly a wormhole, on its trip to the machine world.

     

    Though not in the formal continuity, a speculative story in the recent short story anthology Strange New Worlds VI offered a theory of their creation. It stated that the Borg came about on a world suffering from a devastating plague. One of the victims was the granddaughter of the planet's ruler, and she forced the scientists treating the plague to attempt a new treatment upon her. Nanotech was introduced into her body, which eliminated the virus and restored her. However, the nanotech was programmed not to make her as she had been before, but to make her perfect. Since she was naturally imperfect, they changed her body and brain, augmenting them with technology and creating the first Borg Queen. The scientists who changed her were put to death by her grandfather, who tried to kill her with gas. Her body adapted to this, removing the need to breathe and allowing her to introduce her nanobots into the wall of the room holding her, melting it and allowing her to escape. While fighting her guards, she accidentally put the nanotech into one of them, creating a link and changing him. In this way, the first Borg were born. Assimilating their homeworld, the Borg began to conquer other planets.

     

    Link to wikipedia Article:

    WIKIPEDIA:Borg

  7. Posted · Edited by LordOfTheBorg

    I'll try out sea_troopers's sig... i dunno how good it will be, But i will try! If i dont get it done <well> in two days, then "The Frogger" can take it over...

    Ugh, this is a really, really bad picture... you don't have to use it, it looks like crap... :P I would get "the frogger" to redo it.. I pretty much just found pictures on google of everything that you wanted, and put em onto one background..

     

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    (wrong name, mah bad)

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  21. Posted

    I really like your's, wishfire. :P

     

     

    I was thinking... what if we were to take the top 3 (or 4) avatars in a few days, and have them compete for the award. That way, more people would get a chance to decide the final winner rather than having the votes so spread out (and yes, I came up with this idea before I lost the lead. lol).

    Just a thought; it doesn't matter to me. :wow:

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    Hm, ultimately it would be up to AE, but, as the one making the polls and "running" this thing, i would have to say... Sure, why not. Sounds like a good idea. But, you should have said something a while ago :laugh: It would have been easier.

     

    You seem to have forgot mine  :eekout:

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    No, your name was not on the nomination list.... If it was and i missed it, i am sorry.. but i dont think it was.