MoulinRouge
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A valid point of view, to be sure. There is always the danger of a relationship turning into a sapfest.
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Okay, once more I am very, very stupid.
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Assuming that Sussman, Strong, Shiban, Black, or Goodman authors the actual romance, of course--which couple should vow eternal love and hit the sheets?
I'm not speaking of Berman and Braga authored "tee hee, T'Pol has big knockers" mentality romance. Who is--or would be--sweet spicy and sexy all at the same time? This is a hetero poll but fear not, I shall make a slash poll at another time. :devil: My vote is for those two sensual romantics, Trip and Hoshi. :)
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Trip and Malcolm gave me the bloody creeps. They do shine. Gosh, Reed is a sinister little nazi when everything is stripped away. That wisp had rape on his mind. Trip's seemed friendly at first, but wow.....
I loved how Archer went into protective big brother mode over Trip. He didn't want to "understand" the aliens. Wow, blowing up their ship was very "un Picard." Hello....earlier era. Overall, I'd give it a 7 out of 10. Not great, but good. The ending was a bit abrupt. UPN's extra add time really hurts ENT, I think. Billingsely, Keating, and Trinneer were the best. I love those three actors.
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Archer and Trip are pretty sweet.
I loved it when Archer got into big brother mode in "The Crossing" and said he wished he could keep Trip in sickbay for the time being. Jon was so mad at the being inside Trip's body when it was eating; he didn't want to take the time to understand the beings if his little brother was missing. :) I like that.
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I voted for Archer and T'Pol. I think the realtionship between Captain and next in cammand is fine. A love interest would be too much for me.It would seem that most fans agree with you on that score, Data. Archer and T'Pol as a romantic couple just does not work. The chemistry's either there or it isn't. With Scott and Jolene....it isn't. :lol: I think their lack of chemistry is what fuels slashy speculation like you find in that review, Bakulabird. I'm a Trip/Hoshi shipper myself, but I did enjoy "Breaking the Ice" a great deal more than "A Night in Sickbay." The forced "sexual tension" bit between Archer and T'Pol was a huge turn off for me. I'm not sure Trip and T'Pol would make a successful enduring romantic couple, but at least there's something there in the chemistry department between Trinneer and Blalock--some semblance of a spark. I could at least imagine those two characters giving into passion once or twice and the audience buying it even though long term prospects for relationship success would be dubious. With Archer and T'Pol, there is no spark at all. Friends only. Their scene in "Fallen Hero" where she quietly pleads with him in his quarters to not turn over V'Lar was excellent. Archer's quiet acquiescence spoke volumes of the respect he's come to feel for T'Pol. That scene I liked. I don't ever want to hear Archer saying, "I'll do the breast I can" again.
I'd rather watch Reed and Tucker devlop a lifelong friendship than watch Archer and T'Pol forced into a romance that doesn't work.
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ACCCKKKK!!! That's the second time I forgot to log in. 'Tis me, the pollmaker.
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I could only put up ten choices. Feel free to submit a write in vote for
K. Malcolm/Hoshi
L. Trip/Hoshi
M. Archer/Malcolm
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Which pairing has the best potential for storyline? Who is your favorite ENT pair? Which pair makes you smile? Which pair would make you smile if they had more time together? Who do you want to see more of--together? :lol:
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Robin Williams. LOL! :)
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"Three days. You were there for three days and you couldn't restrain yourself."
T'Pol--"Unexpected." :)
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Indeed. All of ENT's characters are really coated with teflon, not just the captain. However, it is Archer's decisions that should matter most and affect storyline most. ENT needs a dose of real drama and sadness. In spite of the cries of the technogeeks who only notice whether or not the NX-01 is Akira as opposed to Daedelus class, ENT and Trek in general needs to focus inward on these characters. The best drama on television focuses inwards. I wish TPTB had gone even more primitive and set the show on Earth for its first several episodes--make these people more like astronauts. This is the first generation on Earth completely untouched by war. Trip did remark in "Broken Bow" that Earth had gotten rid of war during the last 50 years, but his generations' parents grew up with parents who were raised by folks who remember war. Trip and Archer's generation is untouched. Their parents don't remember war, thus the generation of the 2150s thinks itself "above" war-like impulses. Seeing Earth attacked should shock them into some serious regression.
I'm not rooting for a 9/11 tribute per se, but I am acquainted with a great many people who considered themselves total pacifists until our shores were touched personally by those hijackers and then they changed big time. It's the difference between North Americans and Europeans. Europeans grandparents remember what it's like to lose a war, to have their own shores invaded. North Americans don't. Seeing the destruction on Earth, which the NX-01's crew considered untouchable, should shock them into some seriously aggressive impulses--what a great new direction for ENT if Bermaga have the guts to play it. By 2152, all of Earth's inhabitants are like North Americans prior to 9/11. None of them grew up with bombs or threats of terrorism. In short, I want to see an Earth in transition on ENT--people who aren't quite so inclined towards peace just yet. The folks on TOS were a bit more quick to jump the gun. The people of ENT should be that much more quick. If Jonathan had to hold together a crew hungry for revenge (against the unjustly blamed Klingons, perhaps) ENT would be fraught with tension. Big time. If his chief engineer held the biggest grudge--FANTASTIC. Archer would have to balance his responsibilities to keep the peace with his desire to comfort Trip. A grieving person often doesn't understand the push to forgive and let go. Archer and Trip's friendship would suffer, but that suffering is what makes excellent drama. Circumstances would cause Trip to drift more towards Malcolm and identify with his militaristic viewpoint. Trinneer and Keating enjoy the best chemistry of any pairing on the show. It's even better than Trinneer and Bakula's, which is the epitome of brotherly sweetness. I'd rather see a "triangle" between Jon, Trip and Malcolm than all this drooling over T'Pol business we are subjected to at the moment. T'Pol's sexuality needs to be deemphasized quickly.
In light of the new spoilers for "Cogenitor" being published at Trek Today, I'd wager that the tension between Trip and Jonathan might be starting a little sooner than we expected. Berman and Braga might actually have learned something. I was shocked. spoiler space
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Apparently Jon is furious at Trip for going behind his back and taking it upon himself to teach this kid to read because it (I'm trying to misspell a badword but can't)s up first contact royally with the Vissians. After the cogenitor is returned (perhaps involuntarily?) the Vissians contact Enterprise after a few days to tell them that he committed suicide. :) :) Consequences. Someone we've been introduced to dies. Truly a big step for B&B.
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Unfortunately the actor passed away in 1994 :) and Terri Garr wouldn't appear on Trek now if her life depended on it. However, it was an inspired idea. Finding out that Gary Seven's planet is involved would be rather the interesting twist that tied ENT into TOS more. I love TOS. :) I just hope that future guy is either Romulan or Vulcan. The TCW won't have any emotional bite otherwise.
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Welcome and welcome again. :blink:
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He made this site all by himself? :blink:
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Thanks. No, I can't say that I've heard from Mr. Braga, no.
I am glad to hear that someone, especially someone male, shares my sentiments about T'Pol. They totally denigrate the character by over sexualizing her. You couldn't dress that way on duty around a bunch of men and be taken seriously. There's nothing wrong with the character or the actress, but how can you take seriously a lady whose breasts are cinched up to her chin? :blink: No one is saying she can't look sexy off duty. ENT could be every bit as good as DS9, but they don't do gutsy writing. Too much formula. Gotta have the problems resolved in one episode; gotta have the big boobed babe. Gotta push that exciting Archer/T'Pol relationship, when there isn't any excitement to them. What ever happened to that crackling dynamic Trip and T'Pol had during season one? They're never together anymore, not by themselves.
As long as TPTB and Paramount value only the young, straight, horny male demographic ENT is never going to move beyond that 4.5 million viewer mark. The season finale's spoilers sound like a step in the right direction and Mr. Berman promises that ENT will have a new feel next season, but we shall see. The proof is in the death count. SPOILERS for "Expanse"
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The NX-01 has to return home upon hearing that Earth has been attacked. They run into trouble with Klingon ships, but some warp 2 ships help them out. Upon assuming orbit, they see a scar of destruction down the Floridian peninsula and also over Cuba. Whether the Klingons are actually responsible is debatable but the proof is in the pudding. Is Mr. Berman serious? If he is serious, Mama and Papa Tucker will be victims of the torpedo bombardment. If he's serious, everyone Trip loves, including Natalie the former girlfriend, will be gone. So, do we get a chief engineer who's carrying a grudge against the believed perpetrators of this attack next season--treating us to drama, angst, and character development--or were momma and pappa Tucker conveniently on vacation? You make the call. If we have dead Tuckers, this series is on its way. Somebody important has to die. They'll never have a better chance than now. I don't know about you, but I think Trinneer could break our hearts with this kind of material.
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Greetings, Q. :blink:
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If I have to pick one and only one--"Shuttlepod One." Trip and Malcolm are the best. They remind me so much of Bashir and O'Brien, who are right up there with Kirk and Spock as my all time favorite Trek friendship.
Runners up:
Cold Front
Fallen Hero
Carbon Creek.
CeaseFire
Dawn
Vox Sola (never has a water polo date been cuter)
Strange New World.
How do I put this politely? I'm afraid I don't quite share Bakula Bird's affection for "A Night in Sickbay." The writers did not do Jonathan's character any favors in this episode. :blink: Slips of the tongue about breasts just make me cringe.
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Welcome, soong girl. :blink: I just joined myself, today. Nice to see you.
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The Borg are going to become a crutch every time the ratings dip a little. Trek has made wimps out of them. They aren't scary anymore. :blink:
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Thanks everybody. Yes, this board would pretty much have to be an improvement over st.com. Doesn't Paramount care? Rest assured, I won't be making any posts about sucking my own genitalia. Wolfie's latest contribution over yonder at the other place. :blink:
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I posted this little essay at the trekbbs under "Dorian." I thought it might generate a little discussion here as well. Enjoy or bash away. They are just my thoughts on how to improve the program. I listed five "cons" and "pros."
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Mr. Braga, if by chance you are read these boards I'd like to thank you for your hard work on "Enterprise." It's a welcome respite to have an escape like Star Trek during these troubled times. That being said, I'd like to offer my praise and some constructive criticism which might help "Enterprise" become a consistently better program. Call it my "five and five." I'll cite my five "cons" first so that we may move past the bad and go on to what's good more quickly.
CONS:
1.)A stand alone episodic format
While "Enterprise" has produced some outstanding stand alone episodes ("Carbon Creek," "Shuttlepod One," "Singularity," "Fallen Hero") it has also produced more than its fair share of forgettable ones ("Oasis," "Terra Nova," "Marauders," "Rogue Planet," "Vanishing Point"). At this point in franchise history, ENT can ill afford to produce forgettable episodes. It's worthwhile to point out that ENT's best received episodes have been those few connected with its story arcs ("Shockwave I," "Broken Bow," "The Andorian Incident," "Cold Front," "Future Tense," "CeaseFire"). IMHO, ENT needs more ongoing stories dealing with less eventful happenings, perhaps concerning more personal goings on of the NX-01's crew.
True enough, certain primetime programs (CSI) survive and even thrive with a stand alone format. However, "CSI" isn't burdened by dwindling audience numbers and a thirty-seven year legacy replete with fans demanding ever more original ideas and freshness. I appreciate Paramount executives' belief that programs which rely on story arcs are not easily sold for syndication, but that assumption isn't borne out by the facts; prime time "soaps" have found new life on TNN and other specialty networks. Even classic daytime soap operas are being rerun on SoapNet, a network created solely for that purpose. The X-Files certainly isn't suffering from a lack of airtime for its reruns. More and more, the most successful primetime dramas rely primarily on ongoing arcs intertwined with stand alone episodes to tell compelling stories: "Alias," "24," "Gilmore Girls," and "Judging Amy" being only a few examples. With an eroding audience, ENT might be better served by beefing up arcs already begun and adding a few more. Arcs needn't be overly long and convoluted. Two and three part episodes can be quite entertaining. If the audience is curious to find out what happens next, they will return.
2.)Lack of risk, aka "death count zero"
It's a cliché, but it's true. ENT doesn't take enough risks in its storytelling. What's been presented is entertaining; however, ENT is not fraught with tension and drama of the highest order. This is humanity's first deep space mission. They face unknown dangers on a weekly basis. Why has no one perished? Is it a directive set forth by Paramount's executives? If so, perhaps they could be persuaded to reconsider. "Minefield," a fine outing from ENT's sophomore season could have been far more poignant had Captain Archer's desire to save Lieutenant Reed in the face of a mounting Romulan threat been underscored by his desire not to lose another crewman. That not a single soul perished in so horrific an explosion defies logic; ENT's refusal to kill off a single member of NX-01's crew blunted the dramatic impact of a fine piece of work by Mr. Shiban.
Unfortunately, ENT's lack of risk taking isn't confined to an absence of death. The members of NX-01's crew get along too well. No conflict lasts more than 42 minutes. Such an opportunity was lost when Captain Archer pulled an uncharacteristic switcheroo and suddenly agreed with the possibly genocidal decision made by his ship's physician at the conclusion of "Dear Doctor." How exciting watching a continuing conflict (caused by two species' clash of ethical values) between these two characters could have been. Risk involves more than daring decon scenes which are sufficiently entertaining for the highly prized 18-24 male demographic, but has it not yet become clear to Paramount's executives that Trek's most loyal audience skews older and decidedly more female?
3.)The teflon coated captain
This particular complaint is related closely to ENT's lack of risk taking. Lately I have noticed a marked improvement in the way the character of Jonathan Archer is written. The staff is to be congratulated for this; however, Archer still is not wholly believable a man whose strength and professional judgment would inspire such fervent loyalty in others. While I appreciate the need to create an inexperienced captain, a fine line exists between inexperience and foolishness. That a man who has earned command of a starship could make such a drastic error in judgment as to take a dog along to a planet populated by a species as volatile and unreasonable as the Kretassens defies logic. However, per usual everything turned out okay in the end. In spite of his many questionable decisions, Archer never suffers any lasting consequences. The government of Tandar Prime could realistically have declared war on Earth after the captain took it upon himself to release 89 Suliban detainees simply because he was morally offended by the Tandaran judicial system. Archer had no way of knowing that none of the detainees sympathized with the Cabal, genetic enhancements or not. What he did was shockingly short sighted. What if one of the detainees had killed more Tandaran citizens? Of course this didn't happen because Captain Archer is inexplicably coated with teflon. Allowing him to suffer some consequences and guilt if his shortsighted decisions were to cause harm to others would redefine Archer's character and in the process give Scott Bakula meaty material which would better utilize his talent. A tormented captain is a riveting character.
4.)The hypersexualized first officer
I understand that sexuality adds a certain spice. I don't object to this. However, it is possible to hypersexualize a character to the point where it detracts from an actors' performance. While Trip and Archer have been given equal treatment in the gratuitous skin department, they are afforded the dignity of a proper uniform in which to report for duty. Jolene Blalock is a criminally underrated actress. I admire her work. Desired male demographic aside, it demeans Ms. Blalock to dress her in a unitard so tight that all attention is drawn to her breasts and buttocks. A woman dressed in such attire would command zero respect; her male coworkers would be too busy gawking at her breasts and derriere. This hypersexualization detracts from her significance as an extraordinarily intelligent, brave woman willing to risk being ostracized by Vulcan society. There is plenty of opportunity for her to dress provocatively off duty. Also, the contrived "sexual tension" between her and Captain Archer is cringeworthy. Jolene Blalock and Scott Bakula do not enjoy a great deal of natural romantic chemistry. No amount of trying to force the issue with adolescent slips of the tongue about her breasts or "swapping chromosomes" can create sparks where none exist. A romantic pairing of T'Pol and Captain Archer only serves to exacerbate a female character who has already been too sexualized. Jonathan Archer simply isn't very appealing when he's panting over a subordinate. Both Mr. Bakula and Ms. Blalock deserve better.
5.)Not spreading around the wealth
I adore the work of Scott Bakula, Jolene Blalock and the ever charismatic Connor Trinneer. However, ENT is blessed with an excellent cast of seven. Travis' history as a boomer should be of use to his fellow crewmates. He's the last character who should be ignored. Linda Park's talent hasn't even begun to be tapped and, at the risk of sounding shallow, she deserves better than to play second fiddle/ugly duckling to Blalock's T'Pol when Ms. Park is every bit as attractive if not more so. Dom Keating is pure gold as the slightly malevolent, darkly mysterious Malcolm. His presence turns the "big three" into the "fantastic four." Words can't articulate how phenomenal an actor is John Billingsley. Utilize Phlox more often. Period. In every manner possible.
PROS
1.) The Vulcans
Pay no attention to fans who bellowed for something different from Trek then cried foul when you delivered it. Knocking the Vulcans off their pedestals was a stroke of genius. These repressive 22nd century Vulcans differentiate ENT as truly belonging to an earlier era of less enlightened times. It makes perfect sense to me that a highly ordered society like the Vulcans would react negatively to possible contamination from highly emotional Terrans. That a Vulcan subculture such as mind melders would be more discriminated against since first contact with Earth than 1000 years ago is oddly logical. Are we building to a revelation that all Vulcans are capable of learning how to meld? EXCELLENT.
2.)A treasure trove of friendships and character interaction
First and foremost, to whomever noticed the palpable chemistry between Dominic Keating and Connor Trinneer...bravo. :blink: The enduring popularity of TOS was made possible in no small way by the striking emotional bond shared by Kirk and Spock (and McCoy). Had it not existed, TOS would not be remembered as something quite as special. DS9 offered the odd yet strangely lovely pairing of Bashir and O'Brien, of whom Reed and Tucker are very reminiscent. I'm not sure whether or not it was your original intention to make friends of Trip and Malcolm. In any case you did the right thing, Mr. Braga. You are to be congratulated. Tucker and Reed are the golden "couple," reminiscent of Trek's most endearing friendships. Hopefully, though, their newfound camaraderie won't overshadow the decade long bond Tucker shares with the captain. Trip's affection for Jonathan may not be that of a best friend so much as that of an adoring younger brother, but their fraternal/mentor-like affection for each other is lovely in its own right--seeing it again would be welcome. Two such well developed friendships coming from differing perspectives are an asset to any program.
Phlox's interactions with everyone from Travis to T'Pol are fabulous, especially with the latter since the doctor offers a more positive counterpoint to T'Pol's stoic outsider's perspective. The doctor's preternatural cheerfulness always lends a positive energy to scenes. More knowledge of his home life on Denobula would be most welcomed. Travis and Hoshi are like a pair of naughty children. What's puzzling, however, is the decision to separate Connor Trinneer and Jolene Blalock this
season. Their many shared scenes during season one have dwindled to nearly none during season two. What's going on? Their banter and reparteé was wry, sexy, smart and not at all forced. I'm not clamoring for a romance, but IMHO their chemistry far outshone that of Blalock and Bakula and still would if they were only allowed to interact. A loyal platonic friendship between Trip and T'Pol could run as deep as his friendship with Malcolm. What a pity that their dynamic was abandoned in favor of forcing a romantic connection between T'Pol and her captain. And what about a female friendship on this series? Women develop lifelong bonds as well as men. Why was the budding relationship between Hoshi and T'Pol in "Sleeping Dogs" forgotten?
3.) Memorable guest stars
ENT continues Trek's tradition of outstanding performances by its guest performers. Fionnula Flannagan's V'Lar was simply breathtaking. Another guest appearance by the wily ambassador is encouraged. Andreas Katsulas, John Fleck, Suzie Plaxson, Clancy Brown, Gary Graham's dour Soval and Vaughn Armstrong's plethora of characters also earn praise. Kudos to ENT's casting director for luring back the magnificent and versatile Jeffrey Combs as Shran. Shran is one of the more intriguing Trek "villains" to appear in years because it's difficult to decide whether he should be, loved, loathed, admired, or feared.
4.)The story arcs attempted so far
Some may criticize, but speculation still runs rampant as to the identity of Future Guy. Just because John Fleck is no longer available doesn't mean that FG shouldn't torment someone else. Resolution of the Vulcan/Andorian conflict as possible inspiration for the formation of the United Federation of Planets is tantalizing. These are intriguing arcs. A call for more doesn't mean that these storylines should be given short shrift. Keep up the good work, but add more.
5.)Leading men are in
An audience that skews older is not as appreciative of cheap titillation. Sexual humor is cute in small amounts, but captains falling face first into breasts isn't clever. ENT's casting director, whether by fortunate happenstance or by design, has assembled a group of unusually charming and handsome male cast members. Timeless romance of the kind shared by Jim Kirk and Edith Keeler is sorely missing from Trek. Not many actors project a demeanor courtly or gentlemanly enough to
successfully carry off sensual romance. On ENT, we are blessed with five. Bakula, Trinneer, Keating, Montgomery and Billingsley are all more than capable of portraying a long term romance that would sustain the interest of Trek's fans. I'm not advocating turning "Enterprise" into mawkish soap opera, but leading men as opposed to frat boys are a rare gem not valued enough by network executives. Placed against an appropriate backdrop of war, adventure, intrigue and danger, romance plays very well.
Whoever decided that Trinneer's Tucker should be ENT's roving stud has made an error in judgment. There's a reason that his adolescent antics on Risa didn't play well with the audience. It doesn't suit him; such blatantly horny behavior isn't as admired by the audience as some network executives might believe. If anyone should play leading man in a timeless Trek romance, it is Trinneer. The man exudes the charm of a 1940s movie star. He needn't bed or be desired by every alien woman he meets. Perhaps Trip is the man who will finally notice the lovely communications officer (an idea I fancy). Or will it be the strikingly handsome Travis who courts Hoshi? If Reed were to take his eyes off T'Pol's bum long enough to shore up his courage and ask her to tea, the results might be positively delightful. A tempestuous Trip/T'Pol affair, mixed with a healthy dose of bittersweet romance, would certainly please a large contingent of fans with whom I'm acquainted. Is there a lovely diplomat in space to tempt Captain Archer into a passionate, tempestuous affair and keep his mind off his buxom first officer? Hopefully so. Give romance a chance, Mr. Braga. You might be pleased with the results.
Thank you for your attention.
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So, what do you say? Yea or nay? Too many grammatical errors? Too long winded. I'm home. I have a cold. I couldn't go to work today. I've finished my book so I'm bored.
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Log me in as a Trip fan.
I don't really dislike any of the characters, though. Log me in first and foremost as a Trip and Malcolm fan, as in Bashir and O'Brien the sequel, best friends to be. :blink: There's something inherently appealing about those two characters when they're paired up. Together, Trip and Reed are definitely my favorite ENT "character." Trip and the captain are very sweet also, but if I had to choose between the two pairings Trip and Malcolm edge out Trip and the captain by a teensy little bit. Trip and the captain are more like brothers, don't you think? You'll always have your brother no matter how many friends come into your life along the way.
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Hello. I am MoulinRouge--real name Dorian. I am a chick. I like Star Trek. Nice to meet everybody here. :blink: Nice place.
Who is the best pairing?
in Star Trek: Enterprise
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No lie. I'd have much rather Archer been looking after a sick Trip in sickbay during "A Night in Sickbay." That would have been precious. He's cute when he looks after Trip like he did in "Desert Crossing."
Their status as contemporaries gives them the edge. A very slight edge.