cptwright 1 Posted December 16, 2003 The latest quote from Baghdad Bob... "Our great leader was not captured today. There are no American soldiers in Tikret. We have killed them all like bugs. The image of Saddam was created in Hollywood, California with the Governor and actors and computers and paint. Our great leader is free and the American soldiers will not get him. We will drive them out of Tikret and out of Iraq. They were never in Baghdad in the first place. Long live Saddam Hussein!" Did you notice where he says there are no soldiers in Tikret, and then just moments later says "We will drive them out of Tikret and Iraq". What an idiot. if anyone believe this dribble then they must be just as stupid as Bagdad Bob. Congrats to the military personell that took part in this great capture, a job well done. I also noticed that this mission was intitled "Operation Red Dawn" and the two teams that went in were called "Wolverine 1 and Wolverine 2". I then relized that whoever came up with this plan must have been a movie buff that liked the Patrick Swayze film "Red Dawn" about a group of American teenage boys that fight a gurrella war against the Russians and Cubans after the communist invade and claim a big chunk of the United States. The boys called themselves 'Wolverines' after thier high school football teams name. WOLVERINES!!!!!!!!! great movie, AND GREAT JOB BY THE TEAMS GETTING HIM FINALLY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
archerfan 0 Posted December 16, 2003 The capture of Saddam is a great event, let it not keep us from seeking the truth from our own government. The truth is our government believed he had weapons of mass destruction. He had them at one time even if they don't exist now. They were not going to take that chance. It's called being pro active against the war on terrorism. Furthermore Saddam Hussein financed terrorism all over the world, even if their wasn't a direct link to 9/11 there definatley was an indirect one and that is enough for me to justify what we did. Not to mention the fact that he was responsible for genocide, torture, repression, etc..etc.. What is the truth you are looking for? That our government had no reason to invade Iraq so we made up intelligence. The legitimate reasons to do what we did far out weigh what you are suggesting. Please keep that in mind. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
edmcgon 0 Posted December 19, 2003 Following is a good editorial from Charles Krauthammer on Saddam. There is a good line at the end of it, but you have to read the whole thing to appreciate it. End of the Myth of Saddam Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
VaBeachGuy 12 Posted December 19, 2003 One thing im not sure about though: The capture of Saddam Hussein does not mean the end of violence in Iraq," Bush said. "The United States of America will not relent until the war is won." Wasn't the whole purpouse of the war to change the regime in Iraq and capture Saddam. Well those are both done. Isn't the war over then?? There are still factions loyal to Saddam operating in Iraq, their goal is to restore Saddam or a Saddam-like government to power. To say that the only goal was to remove and then capture Saddam is to massively understate and over simplify the mission at hand. Yes, a major goal was to remove Saddam and if it was possible to do that AND capture him alive then so much the better. But if we were to go in, remove Saddam and leave the country would fall into anarchy and would do even more to destabilize the region then leaving Saddam in power would have done. Once troops would pull out there would be any number of terrorist factions fighting for control. We will have to remain there in force until the new Iraqi government is in place and is stable enough to to sustain itself. When we (The U.S.) leave Iraq we want to leave it in better shape then when we got there and we want to leave it being friends with the Iraqi government and the Iraqi people. Even these points that I have mentioned here are pretty over-simplified but I hope it gives you an idea of why he says the war isn't over. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
master_q 0 Posted December 20, 2003 (edited) Saddam Hussein will go down in history as one of the worst dictators of the 20-21st centuries. We Americans should not celebrate this- that is the right of the people of Iraq. Instead, we should honor the memories of those who died at Saddams hands, particularly the Kurdish people who were the target of genocidal attacks by Saddam's Iraqi troops for decades. Our troops did their sworn duty, and did their best to protect the people of Iraq, and for this let's honor them. But keep in mind that there is still no evidence of weapons of mass destruction in Iraq, or any link to 9/11. In fact, there is more evidence against there being a link between Hussein and the bombing than there is for it. The capture of Saddam is a great event, let it not keep us from seeking the truth from our own government. No. In fact that is off base from the facts. Saddam's link to terrorism is very deep. For one - Saddam paid the families of suicide bombers to go to Israel, but that's not even the end of it. The Weekly Standard got a hold of a leaked memo detailing major connection between Al Qudea and the former Iraq government. [http://www.weeklystandard.com/Check.asp?id...le=3378&r=fmxyz] If there is a direct link between 9-11 and Saddam we don't know hundred percent, but it is clear that Saddam had a very deep and active connection to terror. We also know from intelligence reports that Saddam was trying to buy missiles from North Korea through Sierra not that long ago, relatively speaking. (And that's not the end of it - China is also connected into this whole deal with North Korea...). WMD? We never went in because he was an imminent threat. We went in because we didn't want it to become an imminent threat. Nowhere in any of Bush's speeches did he talk about an imminent threat. Bush's speeches talked about that we don't want Iraq to become an imminent threat According to the reports from some of the gathered intelligence a few months ago (these reports the mainstream media completely ignored) it showed that Saddam did indeed have major violations when it comes to weapons. PBS.org Highly secret terrorist training camp at Salman Park - http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/sh...ws/khodada.html PBS: Captain Khodada's hand-drawn map of the Salman Pak facility -http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/sh...ing/art/map.jpg PBS: Transcript of Frontline's Interview with Captain Khodada- http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/sh...ws/khodada.html From: Aviation Week & Space Technology Headline: Satellite Photos Believed To Show Airliner for Training Hijackers Byline: Michael A. Dornheim Dateline: Los Angeles, January 7, 2002 Satellite images of a facility near Baghdad show an airliner that Iraqi defectors say is used to train terrorists in the art of hijacking.Space Imaging, which operates the Ikonos civilian surveillance satellite, was prompted to look for the aircraft in existing photos after a ''Frontline'' television show interviewed two Iraqi defectors who described the hijacker training and the aircraft used for the mock attacks. One of them drew a map of the Salman Pak training area, and Space Imaging was able to find the facility and the aircraft in photographs taken on Apr. 25, 2000, of an area about 15 mi. southeast of Baghdad on the Tigris River. The zoomed-in photograph is a close match to the hand-drawn map, lending credence to the defector's story. He is Sabah Khodada, and said he worked at the secret Salman Pak complex for about six months as an administrator. The facility is run by the Iraqi secret service, and is used to teach assassination, kidnapping, hijacking of airplanes, buses and trains and other terrorist operations, Khodada said. ''This camp is specialized in exporting terrorism to the whole world.'' Foreigners were trained separately from Iraqis, both Khodada and the other defector said.The aircraft is sitting by itself far from an airport. ''In this camp, I saw [people] getting trained [in] situations where security will not allow you to get weapons into the plane - then what you need to do is to use...very advanced terrorizing methods,'' Khodada said on the television show.''They are even trained how to use utensils for food, like forks and knives provided in the plane.... They are trained how to plant horror within the passengers by doing such actions. Even pens and pencils can be used for that purpose. They can do it, and they can overcome any plane because they are very well physically trained, and they are very strong. They can overtake a plane in a very efficient manner. ''Training will include the way they would sit in the plane, how they enter the plane.... They will, for example, sit in twos, and they will assign who will sit to the right of the other guy, and who will sit to the other side. Two will sit in the front, two will sit in the back and two will sit, for example, in the middle. They are trained to jump all at one time, and make a declaration that 'We are going to take over the plane. And nobody [move], don't move, don't make any moves.''' They will probably use a pencil or a pen, or even sunglasses or prescription glasses. Somebody will hold the crew members of the plane from their chins upward tightly, and you will pull it on his neck. He will think you are going to slaughter him and kill him. Including in this training is terrorizing by making very, very loud noises and screaming all over the plane. That will [create] the planned horror, and will terrorize the plane, including the crew.' "The aircraft was also used to practice fighting a hijacking, Khodada said. He called it a Boeing 707, but the position of the wing on the fuselage better fits an aft-engined aircraft.The camp was visited by United Nations inspectors on a holiday in January 1995. The inspectors ''went all the way inside the camp,'' Khodada said. ''They saw the plane, they saw the train, and they didn't care anything about it, because [the commanders] told the United Nations, 'This is a camp to train police, antiriot police.''' Khodada said he was sure the Sept. 11 attacks involved Iraqi training because Osama bin Laden was not capable of such a high-level operation. ''These kind of attacks must be, and have to be, organized by a capable state, such as Iraq,'' he said. ''Even the grouping; those groups were divided into 5-6 people in the group. How about the training on planes? Some of these groups were taken and trained to drive airplanes at the School of Aviation, north of Baghdad.... Everything coincides with what's happening.'' The question that comes to mind is "why have all of these things not been spoken about much?" I believe the answer to that is purely political and will be released at the best politically calculated time. I think that an international tribunal is a possibility because the UN would want to intercede to insure that he is receiving a fair trial. No it would not. In fact Saddam (in my view and prediction) would turn the case around to be a case against the U.S. and that would be disastrous... Master Q StarTrek_Master_Q@yahoo.com Edited December 20, 2003 by master_q Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
