Tank 0 Posted April 4, 2003 I just finished reading The Eugenics Wars Volume One. I highly recomend this book to anyone, especially if you like Khan. Gary Seven and Roberta Lincolin are both great characters and I loved the way that this book tied in with events that really happened in our history. Did anyone else read this book? What did you think of it? Have you read Volume 2 yet? Is it as good as the first one? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kahn 0 Posted April 5, 2003 I haven't read the second one yet (waiting for it to come out in paperback) I was very surprised at how good it was. I sat in the swinging bench in front of the lake near my cabin and read it in a day. I really couldn't put it down. The current events tie in was what I loved most about it. I can't wait to see how Cox portrays the war. I think that WWIII and the Eugenics wars (are they the same thing or different?) are the most underdeveloped thing in Trek. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Tank 0 Posted April 5, 2003 I can't say for sure but I thought that I heard that Volume II was going to be released to paper back in March. Like I said I still don't have it so I might be wrong. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kahn 0 Posted April 5, 2003 Really? Shoot, I've got to go to a bookstore! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
cyphrx 0 Posted April 6, 2003 I just finished the second one not too long ago. Excellent read. Basically it was a blend of Star Trek lore, X-files like mystery and James Bondish over the top action. One scene even reminded me of "Octo(I'm trying to say a bad word but can't)." All in all it was a real page turner. Just had a quick question though if anyone has read both books (or even the first one.) I remember in one of the Star Trek TNG where the Enterprise-D helped these genetically engineered people from an oncoming stellar fragment of some sort (I think the episode was called "The Masterpiece Society.") Anyway I was wondering if that colony was the same as the one Kirk is involved with on Sycorax? (although I think the name of the colony in TNG is completely different...not too sure abouth it though) I know of Greg Cox fondness of using everything already established in the Star Trek universe to weave new stories and thought that this my be the case here. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Tank 0 Posted April 6, 2003 I just finished the second one not too long ago. Excellent read. Basically it was a blend of Star Trek lore, X-files like mystery and James Bondish over the top action. One scene even reminded me of "Octo(I'm trying to say a bad word but can't)." All in all it was a real page turner. Just had a quick question though if anyone has read both books (or even the first one.) I remember in one of the Star Trek TNG where the Enterprise-D helped these genetically engineered people from an oncoming stellar fragment of some sort (I think the episode was called "The Masterpiece Society.") Anyway I was wondering if that colony was the same as the one Kirk is involved with on Sycorax? (although I think the name of the colony in TNG is completely different...not too sure abouth it though) I know of Greg Cox fondness of using everything already established in the Star Trek universe to weave new stories and thought that this my be the case here. I can't wait to read Volume 2! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
A l t e r E g o 9 Posted April 6, 2003 Totally agree! Greg Cox cut his writing teeth with the Q trilogy and I thought those were 97% perfect but he has hit his stride with these books! He brings The Wars to life in ways I never would have dreamed (but should have!) were possible! I cant wait! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
removed 0 Posted April 9, 2003 ive read the first volume and, yes, it is an excellent read. i cannot wait until i read the second volume. it is in paperback now. and by the way, james bond rocks! lol. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lessa_Soong 0 Posted April 9, 2003 i read the first...loved it...started the second a few days ago, but have not been able to read much, but so far it is slow to start, but getting better! I found the hard back on a discount shelf for 6$ i thought i did well! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
A l t e r E g o 9 Posted April 9, 2003 $6!? What is that, about $18 :) off the cover price? You :) ! Yeah I would say you did very good! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lessa_Soong 0 Posted April 9, 2003 :) :) :) that is the first time that i have seen the :) used and it was in place! I was so shocked to see that book on for that price. I got the last one in hard back, but it was a X-mas gift, so i was glad to find this and keep the set going. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MichaelJCO 0 Posted April 10, 2003 I have devoured volumes 1 and 2 of the Eugenics Wars by Greg Cox.While the story is engrossing and well-written I still have a pet-peeve.The Eugenics Wars have always before(in the original series episode Space Seed,Star Trek II :The Wrath of Khan,and other novelizations) been presented as a world-wide conflict that caused major damage.Khan and the eugenic supermen were well known figures and their reign was very public.I realize Cox has tried to blend the OTL history of the 1990's with Star Trek-but its pretty clear the world of Star Trek has some major differences from where our world is today(non-withstanding a future nuclear war in the 2050's).Does anyone have any ideas for a timeline where the Eugenics Wars are a public event? Heres a brief one I came up with. The Eugenics Wars-A Brief History April 30th 1991-A young charismatic man named Khan Noonien Singh is elected to India's parliment. September 7,1992-This is the date that has come to be accepted as the day the Eugenics Wars began.China ,under the leadership of a eugenic superman Chairman Hikaru Minsei,attacked Taiwan with the stated goal of bringing order and evoultion to its most important "lost" province. April 20,1993- On this day 41 African,Asian and Middle Eastern nations lead by the young eugenic supermen formed the Great Khanate of Nations with Khan Noonien Singh of India as the titular leader.The experience of the people of these nations varied wildly from the essentially peaceful rule of Khan in India to the food rationing and forced selective breeding in Minsei's China to outright genocidal killings in General Muhammad Hasan's Iran. September 28,1993 The Great Khanate attacks Australia and New Zealand with the stated goal of" bringing genetic order to the West".Great Britian,South Africa and Japan declare war on the Great Khanate the following day. May 4 ,1994 Shocked by the surrender of Australia and New Zealand the previous day France , Germany and Italy declare war on the Great Khanate. June 1 ,1994 President Bill Clinton reaffirms American neutrality in the widening war but declares that the United States will help supply the anti-Khanate alliance. June 22,1994 San Diego, California-USA,Tel Aviv,Israel and Seoul, South Korea are hit by nuclear weapons as the Great Khanate declares war on those 3 nations.Those 3 nations and several others (including Canada and Mexico) follow suit the next day. May 14-15,1995 The Battle of the Sea of Japan is fought.This battle is acknowledged as the turning point of the Eugenics Wars as the resulting allied victory fractures the Great Khanate into waring blocs of nations.The American aircraft carrrier U.S.S Enterprise-CVN 65 is destroyed in this battle. October 1 ,1996 The Eugenics Wars end as Khan and his cadre of eugenic supermen are presumed killed in the battle to liberate Sydney,Australia- where they had held out in a last stand.Chairman Minsei signed an unconditional surrender document in Beijing, China. September 27,1997 Chairman Minsei,General Hasan and 59 other surviving eugenic supermen are put on trial at the International Military Tribunal in Paris ,France.This is the 1st such trial since the 1945-1948 trials of German and Japansese WWII leaders.Minsei,Hasan and the rest were convicted and executed for crimes against humanity and peace the following year. August 11,1999 Historian and author Travis Mitchell claims in his seminal work- The Eugenics War that there is next to no evidence that Khan Singh and his clique of eugenic supermen were killed in the liberation of Sydney on October 1,1996.Mitchell puts forth the widely unaccepted theory that Khan and his people escaped death and punishment on a DY-100 vessel launched from a samll Indonesian island that same day. GK-slang for a memeber of the Great Khanate alliance or army. normal-a slur used by the eugenic supermen for non-enginerred humans. Below are the 2 major alliances during the Eugenics Wars of 1992-1996 The Great Khanate of Nations 1993-1996 Afghanistan Algeria Armenia Azerbaijan Bahrain Bangladesh Bhutan Burundi Brunei Cambodia Chad China Cameroon Congo Egypt Eritrea Gabon India Indonesia Iran Iraq Jordan North Korea Kuwait Laos Lebanon Libya Malaysia Mali Mongolia Morocco Myanmar Nepal Niger Oman Pakistan Qatar Rwanda Saudi Arabia Somalia Sri Lanka Syria Tajkistan Thailand Tunisia Turkmenistan Uganda United Arab Emirates Uzbekistan Vietnam Yemen The Democratic Alliance 1993-1996 Australia Angola Belgium Brazil Canada Democratic Republic of Congo Denmark Djibouti Ethiopia France Germany Ireland Israel Italy Jamaica Japan Kenya South Korea Liberia Mauritana Mexico Netherlands New Zealand Nigeria Philippines Russia Senegal Singapore South Africa Taiwan Tanzania Turkey United Kingdom United States of America Venezuela Zambia Li Quan (General) 1961-1995 When one thinks of the Eugenics War the name Khan Singh usually springs to mind.Its becoming more evident that the "power behind the throne" in the Great Khanate was General Li Quan.Li Quan was first noticed as the brilliant eugenic Chinese general who lead the campaign against Taiwan in September-October 1992 at Chairman Minseis behest.Once the command structure of the Khanate was established in 1993 Li Quan quickly became the leading general.Quan argued forcefully for an "East then West " military strategy for the Khanate.The nations conquered first would be South Korea,Japan,the Philippines,Singapore.Once the Khanate had firmly controlled East Asia it could then move West striking out at Australia,Turkey,Israel ,South Africa and eventually Russia, Europe and the United States.Quan was overruled by Khan Singh who was eager to bring the "order of the Khanate" to the West.Quan was against the campaign but he lead the invasion of Australia with vigor.Despite the huge loss of manpower and resources the Khanate captured the Pacific superpower in only 7 months.After Australia and New Zealand's surrender in May 1994 Quan clamored for a focus on South Korea and Japan but was again overruled by Khan Singh and General Muhammad Hasan of Iran who both wanted a worldwide front.Quan cringed at the decision to attack the United States and Israel along with South Korea in June 1994.He privately said "Khan Singh is determined that we will win the world,even if were are defeated doing so".Quan threw himself into the South Korea campaign and that nation was conquered in less than 3 months.Quan's hoped for invasion of Japan was again held up when General Hasan fumbled the invasion of Turkey in October 1994.The Great Khanate had to divert nearly half its army to Syria and Iraq to prevent a total catastrophe.Li Quan always displayed a balance of thoughtfulness and ruthlessness.He successfully argued against General Hasans desire for an all out nuclear exchange with Israel after it nuked Tehran in retaliation for Tel Aviv noting"Once we conquer the world we will still have to live in it".However his campaign in South Korea was brutal and civilian causalities were high.Li Quan had always argued that the Khanate was overextending itself but the arrogance of Khan Singh,Hasan and others on the command staff didnt allow them to believe that their superior lot could ever be defeated by a pack of weakling normals.It's ironic that Quan ultimately lost his life in the fight he had longed for the whole time he lead the Khanate forces-the Battle of the Sea of Japan.That defeat did more that save Japan from invasion but fractured the Khanate into several warring camps who either wanted to stop the expansion and consolidate their current holdings or continue to expand.This infighting created a valuable opening for the Democratic Alliance and the Khanate was destroyed a year and a half after that pivotal battle.What if Khan Singh had swallowed his enormous pride and listened to the sound military advice of General Li Quan?Scary thought but it would make a good book. Travis Mitchell The History Journal April 10,2000 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
removed 0 Posted July 23, 2003 Here's a question for those of you who have read both volumes that are out now: which one is better? Volume 1 or 2? I'm asking because I have read volume 1, but not volume 2 and I would like to know if I should buy volume 2 now or wait 'til later. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites