Takara_Soong 4 Posted April 21, 2005 I pick Janeway. At least she didn't make the serious blunder that Picard did by letting the Borg discover humans. 320218[/snapback] Picard didn't let the Borg discover humans. The Borg assimilated the Hansens about 2356 which is long before the Enterprise was even commissioned (which was about 2364). Besides, Q was the reason for the Enterprise's first contact with the Borg but we also learned in Q Who? and subsequent episodes that the Federation outposts that were destroyed in TNG's first season episode The Neutral Zone were the handiwork of the Borg. We also know from the Enterprise episode Regeneration that a subspace beacon was sent to that Delta Quadrant that T'Pol estimated would take 200 years to arrive at its destination which would have been about 2353. So you see, the Borg knew about humans long before Picard encountered them for the first time. I think both were excellent captains. Because they faced very different situations I really can't compare them. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kor37 9 Posted April 21, 2005 You forgot one important thing. Picard carelessly let Borg technology float around in the past when he went back to the future causing the whole incident that happened in Enterprise to happen in the first place. Had he cleaned up his mess, no signal would have been sent. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sea trooper 0 Posted April 21, 2005 Picard, only because I've only watched a few episodes of Voyager. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Takara_Soong 4 Posted April 22, 2005 You forgot one important thing. Picard carelessly let Borg technology float around in the past when he went back to the future causing the whole incident that happened in Enterprise to happen in the first place. Had he cleaned up his mess, no signal would have been sent. 320278[/snapback] I don't think it was carelessness though. The Enterprise-E had suffered a lot of damage and a big loss in crew because of the Borg. It is possible they were unable to detect that parts of the Borg ship had landed on Earth. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jack_Bauer 1 Posted April 22, 2005 Additionally, any attempt to retrieve the Borg wreckage would have alerted the Vulcans to their presence and would have caused a much greater contamination of the timeline. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Esther 0 Posted April 24, 2005 (edited) Picard didn't let the Borg discover humans. The Borg assimilated the Hansens about 2356 which is long before the Enterprise was even commissioned (which was about 2364). If I remember my timeline correctly, the Hansens didn't go looking for the Borg until after the Enterprise encountered them. The Borg are presumed to be responsible for the lost colonies along the Neutral Zone, but at the time the Hansens left to follow a cube, that was not known. What causes you to place her assimilation so far back? Edit: Also, I believe the subspace signal the Borg attempted to send using the Enterprise deflector dish was stopped when Worf, Hawke, and Picard disconnected and destroyed the apparatus. Edited April 24, 2005 by Esther Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Takara_Soong 4 Posted April 24, 2005 Picard didn't let the Borg discover humans. The Borg assimilated the Hansens about 2356 which is long before the Enterprise was even commissioned (which was about 2364). If I remember my timeline correctly, the Hansens didn't go looking for the Borg until after the Enterprise encountered them. The Borg are presumed to be responsible for the lost colonies along the Neutral Zone, but at the time the Hansens left to follow a cube, that was not known. What causes you to place her assimilation so far back? Edit: Also, I believe the subspace signal the Borg attempted to send using the Enterprise deflector dish was stopped when Worf, Hawke, and Picard disconnected and destroyed the apparatus. 320619[/snapback] I got those dates from Seven of Nine's profile at st.com Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
trekz 7 Posted April 24, 2005 Picard. Janeway was very good, but seemed to change back and forth on the prime directive at times. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Odie 0 Posted April 24, 2005 What choices did she have? She very far from home and no support to help her with ship and crew. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Esther 0 Posted April 24, 2005 At least she didn't go as far as Cpt. Braxton. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dark Reality 0 Posted June 14, 2005 Janeway. Picard was a great captain, but Janeway seems to be modeled after Picard but with more guts, riskier like Kirk. For nostalgia, Picard looks better, but I think Janeway is an improved Picard. What bugs me about Janeway though is this need she has to stop and look at every nebula, especially if it looks dangerous. And... I suppose this applies to both of them, but every now and then, they'll do an episode where a member of the crew is arrested and to be put to death or lobotomized or something else, and the captain just accepts it. I can see it with Picard; for example when Wesley Crusher was to be executed (right?) for walking on the grass, I guess had Picard taken him and ran, the Federation would have just extradited him. But in Voyager, 4x10 "Random Thoughts", Torres is arrested for having a negative thought. After Janeway liberated Seven from the Borg, I thought she'd be in the clear to just beam Torres and the rest of her people out of there and hit it, warp six. What would they have done? The offending thought is now light years away from their little planet, in a starship. Problem solved. So Janeway's not perfect... but she's a great captain. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Validus 0 Posted July 15, 2005 I think Picard was the better Captain for essentially one reason. Picard would never have gotten his ship stranded in the Delta quadrant. That Janeway did was a poor desision on her part (something she admits more then once in Seasons 5 and 6 of Voyager). Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Eratosthenes 0 Posted July 16, 2005 Picard, but I think they're both good. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Medusa 0 Posted July 17, 2005 Of course it's Picard - he is just the ideal captain - nothing could ever change that. Janeway was good, she has a good way with people, is most of the times a good diplomat, but she didn't have Picard's .. flair, I would call it, I guess. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Itchygomba69 0 Posted July 17, 2005 I think Picard should of been Promoted to Admiral Before janeway, I mean she got her Ship lost, and she finally gets home Shes an Admiral, WTF! Picard only saved Starfleet and countless worlds IDK 100 times, let's not forget the Borg Invasion, I can only hope he took Kirk's advice and Declined the Promotion :oops: Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SeeingEyeBorg 0 Posted December 14, 2007 Both are actors of epic caliber, but I get shivers watching Picard. He's more graceful, more classy, and had it been his ship stuck in the Delta Quadrant (with Riker at his side, of course) the Enterprise would've gotten home a hell of a lot faster. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Warrior_Princess 0 Posted December 14, 2007 Picard is by far the better Captain with Janeway a close second. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TJ Phaserman 2 Posted December 14, 2007 for me it's picard, sisko, janeway and kirk. and the reason kirk is dead last is mainly he couldn't measure up to 24 century captains :-D Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kor37 9 Posted December 14, 2007 for me it's picard, sisko, janeway and kirk. and the reason kirk is dead last is mainly he couldn't measure up to 24 century captains :-D .....Kirk?........Captain James T. Kirk?........couldn't measure up to 24th century captains?..... Deep breath........deep breath..........must.....remain.....calm........................ Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
youbroughtheryouRiker 2 Posted December 14, 2007 Definitely Picard. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TJ Phaserman 2 Posted December 15, 2007 for me it's picard, sisko, janeway and kirk. and the reason kirk is dead last is mainly he couldn't measure up to 24 century captains :-D .....Kirk?........Captain James T. Kirk?........couldn't measure up to 24th century captains?..... Deep breath........deep breath..........must.....remain.....calm........................ *gives kor his stress pills* Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GhostofMajorHayes 10 Posted December 15, 2007 I went with Janeway here. Both Captains are great in their own right. Picard is good at diplomacy and quite an accomplished officer. Janeway is great at being honest with her convictions and her command style is stern, but only because she cares about her crew. I saw way too many eps in which Picard lost a crewmember and didn't seem to care. Janeway, on the other hand always seemed to feel the loss more deeply. That is the primary reason i went with Janeway because she had genuine emotions that were exhibited often. Picard seemed like, for lack of a better word, a Vulcan. Perhaps, that is why his inner emotions were explored in scenarios that didn't "happen" (e.g. Inner light and All good things). It is not my intent to slight Patrick Stewarts acting, in fact, he is very talented. He did the best with what the writers gave him, but Kate Mulgrew's portrayal of Janeway was imo more profound and had greater depth. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TJ Phaserman 2 Posted December 15, 2007 picard cared...he just had his own way of showing it....like how he lost what little family he had left Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GhostofMajorHayes 10 Posted December 15, 2007 picard cared...he just had his own way of showing it....like how he lost what little family he had left Yes, in the movies he seemed a little more passionate. I only wish he had been that same way during the series. Don't get me wrong, he is still a good character, but imo Janeway is better and would be the Captain i would (if Star Trek was real) want to serve under. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TJ Phaserman 2 Posted December 15, 2007 if i had the choice i pick sisko. with a black man in charge, you know things will get done Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kor37 9 Posted December 15, 2007 Picard had too much starch in his shorts............ Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GhostofMajorHayes 10 Posted December 15, 2007 Picard had too much starch in his shorts............ Good one! Dahar master!!! :lol: Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SeeingEyeBorg 0 Posted December 18, 2007 Picard had too much starch in his shorts............ That is TOO funny. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TJ Phaserman 2 Posted December 18, 2007 Picard had too much starch in his shorts............ sometimes i wonder if kirk did as well :lol: Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kor37 9 Posted December 19, 2007 Picard had too much starch in his shorts............ sometimes i wonder if kirk did as well :lol: Nah.......Kirk went commando...... :lol: Share this post Link to post Share on other sites