ThetaFive

Great special effects and a great continuation of Space Seed.

The one thing I do not like is the captain of the Reliant. From the point you meet him he is just not act as a I think a captain would he seems unsure of himself.

This movie has so many problems I just do not know where to begin. It could be from the exageration of the size of the enterprise to the transition from one story element to the next to the story in general.

It is like when you have a dream and things in the dream just do not fit together.

This movie goes back to the feel of TNG when it was on TV which I like.

The things I don't like are how they bring Worf into the story. I personally think there should have been more of a story to that.

The major thing that annoys me is the manual control that Riker does towards the end of the movie. That part is just so plain stupid it is disturbing.

I enjoyed this movie very much except for a couple of things.

The first is when they find B4. It happens a lot where the Enterprise just happens to be in the right place in a large galaxy at the right time. They could have come up with a better explanation on finding the android parts.

The second thing is the lack of use of the other characters. As is the case in recent movies the focus is for the most part on Data and Picard. This one does have some content for Riker and Troi but what about the rest?

I liked the special effects and most of the story on this.

The one element I do not like is the introduction of the Borg Queen. This does not do justice to the Borg prior to this movie and is something that could have been done without.

For this reason I give it a good rating.

It is a tough decision weighing the pros and cons but I think it would be better to be assimilated then killed. That way you at least have a chance to fight back.

When it comes to movie ratings, tv ratings, game ratings or these fan fiction ratings there is some content that I am not sure where it would fit.

I am sure the story I am writing would fit into PG-13 or R when using the movie ratings.

The content has nudity but does not have any sexual content. I believe this falls into the PG-13 category but I am not sure.

Between the maturation chamber in TNG which looked like a drawer or the one in Voyager with the transparent front and green tint which do you think looks better?

I like the later it gives a more eerie feeling seeing the soon to be drone thru the green lighting.

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In one of my posts I asked this question before I realized it could be placed as a poll.

Sorry about the weird topic line. I discovered you can't put emoticons in the title and now can't change it.

What is chilling about the Borg is that they take people's lives.

Which do you think would be a worse fate?

1. To be killed by the Borg.

2. To be alive but assimilated by the Borg?

I think one of the most disturbing aspects that I have mentioned if seeing someone you know being assimilated. Especially if it is a child in a maturation chember.

I think details are they key when it comes to making the effect. Here is a example.

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A nine year old human child has recently been placed in a maturation chamber. ( A few days to a week). The child looks peacefull in the maturation chamber and the childs features are still mostly recognizable to any who knew this child.

Even thou the child has some features that are recognizable to those who knew the child there are also signs of what is to come. Thru the greenish tint of the maturation chamber several borg implants can be seen and every so often movement can be seen under the childs skin as nanites move throughout the childs body.

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If that is not disturbing enough imagine looking down at your own arm and seeing nanties moving underneath your own skin.

Taking the normal and twisting it enough so that it is not so normal while still being normal intrigues a lot of people and that is how I view the Borg before the queen. The disturbing aspect has continued after the introduction of the queen but it is just not the same.

I think the Borg effect was more successful before the introduction of the Borg Queen. For me one of the things that intrigued me was the fact that we knew so little about them, we didn't know what was inside the cubes, what they really did to you once you were in there and how they did it only seeing the after-effects of the assimilation process.

I agree with things being better. The fear of the Borg was taken away with her introduction.

Even after this it was still effective. When we first saw people being assimilated it looked like they were being devoured by these nanoprobes. The sense of helplessness, the fact that it seemed like there was really nothing you could do to stop your body being taken over and being forced to do abhorrent things to people, anybody, even your family.

There is also the horror of realizing you are helping further the goals of the Borg when you used to be fighting them or looking at yourself becoming one of them.

I think the first problem with what you're saying there is that you're thinking of what the Borg have on their bodies as a uniform. I don't believe it's a uniform at all, it's not like they go into the Borg changing rooms every morning and take it out of their locker. What they appear to be wearing is essentially what the nanoprobes have placed on areas of their body to both sustain and advance them and there is no reason why pre-maturity drones wouldn't have this.

Ok that makes sense. Your saying that it is like a outer laying of skin that in a sense grows as the nanoprobes assimilate, so it is actually interconnected or bonded into the drones skin on a molecular level?

I think it is something to worry about.

Even if this flu does not escalate into anything big, it does have the possibility to lead to something worse.

As time moves forward stronger and more dangerous diseases continue to evolve from other diseases as they adapt. Some of them appear to be adapting so fast we are hard pressed to keep up. That is what I worry about is that even if the bird flu is dealt with and does not become large scale, how long until it becomes something that we can't address?

Society has played a part in this over the past as people use the medications meant to fight of some of these diseases when they didn't really need to. Now some of them are resistant to medications that used to be able to fight them and we seem hard pressed at times to find replacements to the medications and treatments that the viruses and bacteria have become resistant or even immune to.

I am not sure if this is really a inconsistency but it is something that doesn't really make sense to me.

In the Voyager episode that introduces the Borg children I find it kind of weird that the children would have body armor similiar to the full grown drones.

They where in maturation chambers still going thru the process of maturation. Some if not all of them where not full grown so why would they have the body armor unless does the body armor grow with them as they are matured?

A lot of the assimilation is done on a molecular level. It makes sense that even the body armor could be created and repeaired on a molecular level also, but to me it makes more sense that they would wait till the drone is full grown before adding the armor/platting.

I think they should have had a episode where one of the children remembered the events leading up to being placed in the maturation chamber and having to deal with the emotional after effects of that.

I think part of the intrigue of the Borg is the eerie feeling that they are able to provide in certain situations. It is like watching a psychological horror in a sense. By taking what is normal and making it not so normal anymore in can instill a type of fear and that is part of what makes them so fascinating I believe.

Here are a few things that I think cause this effect in viewers when it comes to the Borg.

1. When a starfleet crew member comes a round a corner and encounter any of the following:

A. Someone they know or recognize in the process of being assimilated.

B. Someone they know or recognize begging for there help while in the process of being assimilated.

C. Someone they know or recognize attempting to attack/assimilate them.

D. A child they know being placed in a maturation chamber or already in a maturation chamber.

E. Entering a familiar location on there ship and discovering that the borg have assimilated that location.

F. Being assimilated and not being able to do anything about it.

G. Has been assimilated and performing tasks for the collective and not able to do anything about it.

2. Alice Krige as the Borg Queen. She seems to just come with a dark eerie feeling not matter what movie

she is in. I saw her in a movie called Habitat and and in Sleepwalkers and she was downright spooky in

those roles. In my opinion Susanna Thompson the other actress who plays the Borg Queen in most of the

Voyager episodes does not have the same effect as Alice Krige.

Please add your own thoughts on what you feel intrigues, gives the chills or downright scares the audience when it comes to the Borg.

Here are several of my theories on the Borg. I welcome any input and thoughts on these ideas.

The Borg collective controls all the ships and drones that are in the collective, however it is my opinion that the collective is not always linked.

As a example when a Drone assimilates another lifeform the Drone is using instructions that where at one time given it from the Borg collective. I believe a Borg is always connected to the collective from the ship it is from but is that ship always connected to the collective at Unimatrix One? I personally do not believe so.

My theory is that each Borg ship has it's own collective which is a mirror which contains a set of instructions on how to deal with certain situations and each ship can receive uplink to the collective or receive a downlink as necessary from the collective. This makes it so that the actual main collective only needs to put it's attention in critical areas and the ships collective can handle tasks and events that have a standard way of happening and do not change that much from one instance of the event to another such as fighting a ship. After all the centuries that the collective has existed most encounters would be similiar.

When it comes to how the collective passes information around from ship to ship, ship to drone, drone to drone or any other combination that may exists I think it is possible that it is done in a way similiar to the way the internet works with ip addresses and pasing packets and/or streams around.

This is just a small bit of the the theories I have when it comes to the Borg and as time permits and if people show a interest in sharing their own perspectives I would enjoy sharing more of them for people to comment on or share there own views on them.

There will be problems when the people get assimate when they are female and male. They will still apeart to have sex, but if you look closely at their DNA they would have no sex at all. Dr. Crusher said they messed around with the DNA of the person.

 

As far as the Queen Borg being sexy I really don't know why she would be like that. The only thinkg I can think is that her head, neck and shoulders where not connected to the body. So she can have any body that would fit with her shoulders. The Queen Borg, which she never called herself that, could have a male or female body to suit the needs that time.

That brings up something I had never thought of. I always assumed that when assimilating that the nanites made the small implants and that the larger implants where placed surgically inside the soon to be drone.

Going on what you said makes a little more sense. By altering the DNA they nanites could create the larger implants and even merge them on a molecular level with the organic components of the drone. This would explain how the maturation chambers work also. The child growth is not only accelarated but also the borg implants can be placed in while the child matures making them more a part of the drone once the child has matured into a drone then adults who are assimilated. Using this senario the younger that a child is assimilated the more difficult it would seem to be to separate the technology from the drone.

One problem I see with the above scenario is that younger the child is when assimilated the less likely they are to retain any resemblance at all to once having a female or male build.

I think that the borg Queen is one of the greatest villains of all time!! she is sexy and ruthless and has a need to be perfect! lol :borgqueen:

Out of curiosity why would the Borg Queen want to be sexy. I thought it had been mentioned in one of the episodes somewhere that the Borg drones where neither male nor female. Does that mean she looked the way she did to attract Picard and later Data? And also if she decided the liked say a Klingon instead of Picard would she have took the form of a Klingon?

Now that I look back on his post it was a good explanation due to the circumstances. Wonder what would be scarier being assimilated in a familiar setting or being assimilated in a alien setting?

I thought by leaving Picard's uniform they way it was just heighten the danger and gave the crew and audience something more happen to Picard. I thought it was very odd the his cloths where neatly and could found easily by the crew.

If I remember right they found his uniform bacause his communicator was active or something like that. It did set up the danger thou as the viewers begin to wonder why his uniform is there. I can't remember back to the first time I saw it so I can't really remember if I knew what was coming or not.

They do look scarier in First Contact all around -- there technology, the drones and eveything else. But the feeling behind them is not the same after First Contact. They where just so alien yet so familiar at the same time and that is part of the intrigue behind them to me. They way they take the normal and twist it just enough so the normal is still there in some form yet you can tell that the normal has been altered in some way.

I can see some of the logic behind the Queen just not all of it. One example is why would the Queen want a partner as she stated in First Contact. If she is truely the center of the Borg Collective then such a need would seem to be unnessary to me. Such a behavior would seem to be a defect in the collective since it would not be neccesary for perfection.

Also I wasn't clear on what part of First Contact I was reffering to above. In First Contact the drones in the Holodeck had uniforms under the Borg plating yet in Best of Both Worlds they found Picards uniform. That is the inconsistency I was reffering to. I am just curious why it was done this way. Some inconsistencies I can see but this one I can not see why it was done. Later in Voyager they go back to the way it was done in Best of Both Worlds so there must have been a reason it was only that way for First Contact. Anyone have any ideas?

That and they took what was normal and twisted it just enough so that it still could be seen for what they used to be but could see that they had been corrupted not to mention what those had been assimilated or who where in the process of being assimilated where going thru.

One moment they where fighting against the Borg and the next moment they are fighting for them or even worse still are aware enough to know they are being assimilated. Imagine the fear of seeing or feeling Borg technology moving thru you or attached to you or being led passed maturation chambers and seeing children you know.

Such fear is what made them so good and still do in some cases.

Ok that makes sense.

Out of curiosity which Borg do you think are better (more intimidating).

Pre first contact or post.

I like elements of both, the main thing I like about pre is the lack of a queen. To me it was more interesting to say the least thinking of the collective being one mind without a queen. Plus I never really understood the logic of why a queen would be needed.

I do like the technology in the post First Contact better such as the maturation chambers and the look of the Alcoves.

Why do the Borg in First Contact have uniforms under the borg armor or whatever it is called however in Best of Both Worlds they find Picard's uniform in a drawer?