Stingray63

Thanks for your input, guys.

I guess it's too much for the big wigs to keep us Niners happy.

Stingray

Takara_Soong Posted on May 28 2003, 09:50 AM

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QUOTE (Stingray63 @ May 28 2003, 03:16 AM)

They should have left in the "alternate" ending...I felt it closed the movie much better than the ending they went with.

 

Not only that, but it introduces the new First Officer. By leaving it in, they would have avoided having to introduce him in the next movie.

 

Stingray 

 

I'm glad they didn't have that ending. I liked the theatrical version better. It also makes it so they are not tied down to using Madden as the new first officer in the next movie.

That's a good point, Takara...I hadn't thought about the commitment issue with Madden. I guess I liked him so much it never occurred to me. :)

Stingray

I voted "Yes"! :)

I thought it closed the film out rather nicely and I thought Madden was fine, based on his limited part.

As far as the crew staying together for the next movie, it would be totally unbelievable to have Riker or Troi on the Enterprise. They're leaving for the Titan...for them to be back on board would seem ludicrous.

I, too, enjoyed the scene with Data and Picard. They should have left it in. I don't think there are too many of us fans that would have argued if the movie ran past two hours. B)

Stingray

I hope I'm not repeating a question from another thread, but I didn't notice it anywhere...but...

"Where did B4 come from?"

Shinzon said they had to make some modifications or adjustments when they found him, but it was never explained further where or when they(whoever "they" are) found B4.

And why doesn't Data have any idea about B4? You'd think that Dr. Soong would have mentioned it in that NG episode, I believe it's "Brothers"...

Justa thought.

Stingray

At Christmastime my Dad bought me the 9-DVD movie collection where the first three movies were the double-disk Special Editions. It's been fun having the whole collection.

I bought "Nemesis" the day it came out and we were all excited about it...the kids couldn't wait for the movie, so we did the Special Features after we watched the movie.

They should have left in the "alternate" ending...I felt it closed the movie much better than the ending they went with.

Not only that, but it introduces the new First Officer. By leaving it in, they would have avoided having to introduce him in the next movie.

Stingray

I fully understand where all you guys are coming from in favor of bringing in established characters and such.

But the good Captain said something up above, and at least from my side of the coin, it was dead-on. Simply, to me, most of the shows that utilize other characters feel "forced".

The Vulcans and Klingons aside, the only species featured in "Enterprise" that I felt comfortable with(taken from another "Trek" show) were the Andorians.

The Borg issue is 50-50 with me for reasons I explained in another post.

Stingray

I say they should shy away from using characters and situations from the other shows as much as possible.

I get the impression that they are trying to cash in on the past popularity of the other "Trek" shows and that they are afraid to let "Enterprise" have it's own identity.

We already know that certain characters were alive in "Enterprise"'s time, that doesn't mean we need to or should bring them in for cameo appearances or whatnot.

Keep it original, guys. It makes it more fun.

Stingray

Well, I wasn't going to say anything, but I figure I'll voice my opinion and maybe generate some comments, so here goes... B)

When I first heard that the Borg would make an appearance in "Enterprise", I wasn't happy. Mostly because of the already-discussed topic of the Borg being first discovered in "Next Generation". But it was also the feeling I got that the writers basically ran out of ideas. So after reading the many posts here on the board, I decided to download it(took me a week, jeez!).

I enjoyed "Regeneration" only from the point that the show took over on the Enterprise. That part of the show seemed totally believable to me.

Now, my problems were from the beginning portion. The debris from the Borg Sphere was apparently in the Arctic for 90 years, right? In the scene in the teaser where we see the long shot of debris field, how come there wasn't that much snow/ice coverage? You'd think after 90 years there wouldn't be much visible.

Our female researcher moved the snow off the Borg like it had just fallen within the past few hours. She and one of the other assistants decided to remove a cover from a unit giving off power readings. Hello! Wouldn't the top have been frozen to the rest of the unit?

When Starfleet decided to investigate the research station, the crewman said they'd hadn't heard from them in 3 days. 3 days? That was a minor irritant, but based on the amount of snow and ice build-up in the wrecked reasearch lab, you would think that after 90 years, the aforementioned debris would be visible spotty at best.

And one last question: "How did they discover the debris feild in the first place?"

Whew...there...I got that off my chest. Thanks for putting up with my ranting, but I had to ask someone! :)

Stingray

Ok, you made me download both versions from kazaa... :)

I listened to both...and I liked them both...for some reason, I wasn't sure I was going to like the Rod Stewart version.

But, that brings up the question: Was "Faith of the Heart" written for "Enterprise" or borrowed?

In any case, it is a song I so enjoy hearing now. I admit, at first I didn't care for it because I was expecting the theme to sound "Star Trek"-ish. When it didn't, I cringed.

But I love it now... B)

Stingray

Does anyone know if there was a Deep Space Nine 2003 calendar issued?

I bought them regularly from the beginning, but I couldn't find one this year. I did try ebay, but no luck.

Any leads, please let me know. :)

Stingray

So do I, but it's not like having a set-used script with shooting schedules and stuff.

I think it's pretty cool to have a rare item like that.

Stingray

That's a good point, trekbabe...just because we don't see the corruption doesn't mean it isn't there...

As far as Opaca, based on the way her character was written, albeit for only a few episodes, unless a major change of attitude was written, there would have been no friction between her and Sisko, or even with Kira for that matter.

Could you see Opaca scheming with Minister Jaro?

Stingray

This episode is one of my all-time favorites.

Here's another great example of DS9 breaking the mold of the oft-mentioned sanitary and organized setting of other of "Trek"'s.

I especially loved the way Avery Brooks looked straight at the camera at the end of the show. I got the feeling I was right there in the room with him.

Stingray

(I think I'll watch it again tonight after the kids go to bed). :o

I thought the Dominion War was the best thing to happen to any "Trek" show...

Even tho DS9 was the "darker, grittier" show that someone mentioned above, something was needed to set it apart, *and above* the rest of "Trek".

I especially loved the way the writers linked the continuity through the last 3 seasons(not every episode, but most of the relevant ones).

That was one thing I hated about Next Generation, except for the occasional two-parter, and Picard's abduction by the Borg, there wasn't much in the way of an ongoing theme or back story.

I can't speak for Voyager as I gave up on that show after the "mutant cheese makes the ship sick" episode... :o

Stingray

I hope I'm not breaking any forum rules, but I just wanted to share this with all of you hard-core DS9 fans.

I was on ebay recently and came across a cool guy who is auctioning off set-used scripts from the entire series. :o

I had the pleasure of winning quite a few(so far!) and thought that there might be some of you here that would love owning a piece of such an awesome television show.

Here's the link:

Set-used Deep Space Nine scripts on eBay.

Some of the scripts come with extras like shooting schedules, script revisions...be sure to read the description to see what is specifically offered.

Well, if you decide to get some I hope you enjoy them as much as I am!

Stingray

I usually don't care for Ferengi either, but Quark and Rom do have their moments!

But if I had to pick one...hmmmmm... :o

Uhhh...my brain just froze...

How *can* you pick just one?!

Stingray

They even used questionable methods even within their own organization.

The Jem'Hadar were addicted to Ketracel White. Now I know that they were bred that way, but still... :o

Stingray

Yes, I agree that Kai Winn was a character you had to hate...

But, honestly, where could the series have gone if there was no conflict on all fronts?

As much as I liked the character of Vedek Bariel, I just don't think there would have been that much to his being Kai, unless he somehow went bad after taking the position, but that just wouldn't of fit.

The only thing I'd change is Jadzia's death.

Stingray

Hmmmm...I have a question then...

I'm not sure, but did Odo say he felt "his people calling him home" or was it just that he had a longing to go back?

I'm not sure of the episode, sorry... :o

Stingray

I like the idea of Section 31 for the same reason I love Deep Space Nine above all other Trek shows. Basically, it goes against the grain of the standard "Sterile/Utopia/Paradise-everywhere-you-look" settings we saw most of the time in all the other series.

To have a dark, sinister agency covertly based in an outwardly peaceful(sometimes "holier-than-thou") organization makes for some gripping storytelling.

I would have liked to have seen this intriguing agency earlier or more often. We can only imagine what great episodes could have been.

For example, what would Section 31 have been like in the mirror-universe? :o

Stingray

My wife and I especially enjoyed one particular scene in this show.

It's somewhat of a tradition in our family that any pet we get, must be named for a "Star Trek" character(it beats having to name a cat "Fluffy" or "Muffy" :o ). Anyhow, in February of '94 she came home with a German Shepherd puppy. As we'd had pets named Deanna and Troi(ferrets), and the dog was a male and my favorite show was DS9, I thought the best name to pick was Odo(I didn't think that "Sisko" and "O'Brien" made for good dog names).

So seeing Odo(the real one ) shape-shift from a German Shepherd guard dog into his "regular" self was quite a cool thing.

Stingray

Harry Mudd made couple of interesting appearances in the Star Trek novels, too.

One was titled "Mudd In Your Eye".

I'd have to check my books for the others, tho. But they've been packed for quite some time. (So many books, so little time).

Stingray

You raise some interesting questions...but I'd have to say that I don't think possession by an alien would be considerded a form of rape. I would be interested to know, out of all the series and movies, how many alien possessions have taken place, good or evil(I just watched "Dramatis Personae" this afternoon...that's, what, 5 right there? And how about the Next Generation episode "Power Play", where Data, O'Brien and Troi are taken over?)?

But back to the subject, I suppose the wormhole alien had a good reason for possessing Sisko's mother, beyond the reason of destiny, etc. I'd have to watch the episodes in question again, but it's possible the writer's overlooked that simple fact of courtesy.

Stingray

Oh, I remember that episode so well...I couldn't believe what had happened.

It was like one of the main characters had died. I was stunned for days...

Stingray

(I felt more for the destruction of the original Defiant than Jadzia's death.)

I liked Jadzia...Ezri was ok(a bit too whiney for me), but with one season, it wasn't much time for her to grow as a character.

And I agree 100%...Jadzia's death was so stupid. I would have to say that it was the most embarassing moment in DS9's history. I'm surprised Worf didn't commit suicide as her death was hardly "honorable".

As far as Jadzia being included in the final episode...as I remember from a convention a couple of years ago, Armin Shimerman said that it was a contractual thing...they would have had to get her consent to include her. And at that time, both the Powers-that-be and Terry Farrell were pissed at each other, so that's why Jadzia doesn't show up.

As far as posting Jadzia to another ship or base, they wanted the viewers to be sure there was no chance Jadzia would return, but we all know that even a true death is not a permanent thing in Star Trek.

Stingray