Star Trek Races

[ussacclaim 0]

I just would like to get opinions on what you think the Star tRek races are based on an dat least one reason why.

 

You can also include those that didn't get much attention, but that also leaves you on less to go on.

 

Anyway, look forward to reading your replys.

 

OK, let me rephrase: what Earth race the aliens are based on are based on.

Sorr I should have mentioned it sooner.

Edited February 10, 2004 by ussacclaim

[A l t e r E g o 9]

The Pakleds = Dumpster Divers. Why? Because everyday I see them "looking for things."

 

The Klingons use some rituals that mirror the Chinese.

Edited February 11, 2004 by Alterego

[Ace 0]

"We look for things to make us go". :huh:

 

Well, here's an obvious one:

 

Romulans=Romans.

Gene meant for them to parallel, shown by their name, the names of their planets (Romulus and Remus), and their attire in TOS.

[v_seven 0]

The Ferengi... politicians

:huh:

Edited February 10, 2004 by v_seven

[ussacclaim 0]

OK I just read in a Ster Trek book last night that the Klingons were based on the Russians because of the military elite running the country and the Cardassians were based on the Nazis, all militaristic and cruel I believe.

 

 

The book was about a real scientist or something commenting on stuff from Star Trek.

[A l t e r E g o 9]

Bump

[Captain Ericks 0]

I saw a comparison of the Dominion to the Persian Empire. Pretty much the Founders were equivilent to the Emperor, the Vorta were the Satraps (essentially governors), and the Jem Hadar were grunt soldiers.

 

The Kazon strike me as a combination of the Greek city states and a gang culture.

 

And not quite a culture comparison, but the Borg are probably most comparrable to a virus. Not living or dead and attempting to find resources (people, planets, ships) out of everything it encounters.

[HRH The KING 0]

Bajorans = Jews building a nation after a Holocaust/Genocide.

[Jack_Bauer 1]

I've heard the Borg Collective compared to the British Commonwealth (Both B.C.) and that assimilation = colonization. Of course, I don't think that is a particularly strong comparison.

 

Most of the others are fairly obvious:

Klingons=Russians (though I think the Klingon may be more Samurai like in the more modern incarnations, granted I don't know a whole lot about the Samurai)

Cardassians =Nazis (probably the most obvious)

Romulans = Chinese

Bajorans = Jewish (strong religious value, persecuted)

 

I don't particularly see the Federation= U.S.A. comparison, no offense intended. There is no real ground for comparison in an economic sense since the Federation is about as far left-wing (i.e. no money, strong social security as far as we can tell) as you can go without being a dictatorship and the U.S. is a right-wing nation. However, in terms of military strength there is obvious common ground.

 

To me, the Federation seems more like a hybrid of the U.N. and the U.S. with a strong dose of NASA's exploration ideals.

 

Sorry if I offended anyone, that's just the way I see it.

Edited February 16, 2005 by Jack_Bauer

[Yillara Skye 1]

I've heard the Borg Collective compared to the British Commonwealth (Both B.C.) and that assimilation = colonization. Of course, I don't think that is a particularly strong comparison.

The Borg equals Microsoft just kidding. Actually in the case of colonization I know that British Commonwealth pretty much did some of the most extensive in the way of colonization...however in general the idea of colonization of other nations could be the case versus just pinpointing one specific nation.

 

Most of the others are fairly obvious:

Klingons=Russians (though I think the Klingon may be more Samurai like in the more modern incarnations, granted I don't know a whole lot about the Samurai)

Cardassians =Nazis (probably the most obvious)

Romulans = Chinese

Bajorans = Jewish (strong religious value, persecuted)

I can pretty much agree with a lot of the ones you listed.. however, I think Roman would be another addition to the description for the Romulans(as I had posted in the other thread) at the height of the Roman Empire especially. As for the Bajorans, I really have not watched much in the way of DS9 to clearly agree nor disagree with what was suggested. I do know they have been persecuted and have strong religious values though.

 

Ferengis = politicians

Whoever said that one, ROFL!! Good one.

 

I have heard or read that people actually have compared the Ferengi to capitalists in general.

[Captain Ericks 0]

I don't particularly see the Federation= U.S.A. comparison, no offense intended. There is no real ground for comparison in an economic sense since the Federation is about as far left-wing  (i.e. no money, strong social security as far as we can tell) as you can go without being a dictatorship and the U.S. is a right-wing nation. However, in terms of military strength there is obvious common ground.

 

To me,  the Federation seems more like a hybrid of the U.N. and the U.S. with a strong dose of NASA's exploration ideals.

 

Sorry if I offended anyone, that's just the way I see it.

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No offense at all. I have a thread talking about this. I'd say that the Federation may have originally been intended to appear like the equivelent to the U.S, but since TNG the Federation has looked much more socially founded than anything else. But it's also like nothing else we've ever seen.

 

Think about it everyone is given what they need (food, shelter, and such), but from there each person must find his/her own purpose in life wiether it be Starfleet, or research or writing or sports. Every one is seemingly morally obligated to find their own purspose.

 

It's like a morally founded Communism. Very interesting.

[Jack_Bauer 1]

I don't particularly see the Federation= U.S.A. comparison, no offense intended. There is no real ground for comparison in an economic sense since the Federation is about as far left-wing  (i.e. no money, strong social security as far as we can tell) as you can go without being a dictatorship and the U.S. is a right-wing nation. However, in terms of military strength there is obvious common ground.

 

To me,  the Federation seems more like a hybrid of the U.N. and the U.S. with a strong dose of NASA's exploration ideals.

 

Sorry if I offended anyone, that's just the way I see it.

303693[/snapback]

 

No offense at all. I have a thread talking about this. I'd say that the Federation may have originally been intended to appear like the equivelent to the U.S, but since TNG the Federation has looked much more socially founded than anything else. But it's also like nothing else we've ever seen.

 

Think about it everyone is given what they need (food, shelter, and such), but from there each person must find his/her own purpose in life wiether it be Starfleet, or research or writing or sports. Every one is seemingly morally obligated to find their own purspose.

 

It's like a morally founded Communism. Very interesting.

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That sounds about right.

 

Communism usually doesn't work because people don't want to treated equally. With more of a social conscious and humanity's wake up call in WWIII, a communist-like system with a greater basic social network could be the basic foundation of the Federation. Again, no offense intended, I know communism is a touchy subject.

[TC1 0]

To compare the Federation with Communism may be a bit harsh. I'd say more of a cross between socialist China and the US, with a little UN philosophy thrown in.

[Captain Ericks 0]

I'm not saying that the Federation is the Soviet Union, but the basic concept of the Government providing essentials and no money really do remind me of some ideals of Communism. But there are very distinct differences( hence the 'moral' foundation of it all). I agree that it has a definite feel similar to the U.N. and the U.S. governement. I'd definitely think that in the first hundred years after Cochrane's warp flight that humanity ,in general, would have come along and started caring less about money and power and status (although I'm sure that there are exceptions).

[MrPsychic 1]

Maybe the Hirogen could be related very loosely to the pirates of tv and film, taking on the strong for either the glory of the kill or the booty. And not that type of booty.

[Captain Ericks 0]

Maybe the Hirogen could be related very loosely to the pirates of tv and film, taking on the strong for either the glory of the kill or the booty.  And not that type of booty. 

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I'd say that the Hirogen are more based on an idea of cultural definition, or the one thing that defines their culture. We know very little of their actual government.

[MrPsychic 1]

Maybe the Hirogen could be related very loosely to the pirates of tv and film, taking on the strong for either the glory of the kill or the booty.  And not that type of booty.  :biggrin:

304717[/snapback]

 

I'd say that the Hirogen are more based on an idea of cultural definition, or the one thing that defines their culture. We know very little of their actual government.

304897[/snapback]

Well, the Hirogen have no central government anymore, they abandoned it in favour of the hunt. That's why I said pirates... Hmm, a Johnny Depp Hirogen, that could either be interesting or very scary..I'm leaning towards scary. :lol:

[Yillara Skye 1]

Maybe the Hirogen could be related very loosely to the pirates of tv and film, taking on the strong for either the glory of the kill or the booty.  And not that type of booty.  :)

304717[/snapback]

 

I'd say that the Hirogen are more based on an idea of cultural definition, or the one thing that defines their culture. We know very little of their actual government.

304897[/snapback]

Well, the Hirogen have no central government anymore, they abandoned it in favour of the hunt. That's why I said pirates... Hmm, a Johnny Depp Hirogen, that could either be interesting or very scary..I'm leaning towards scary. :)

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No offense to Johnny Depp fans.. but I have to agree that would be leaning towards scary, IMO.

[borgdrone222 0]

THE BORG, not to insult the hive mind but I'd have to say theyre the Nazis.

[Rivendells_king 0]

I think that the federation is supposed to be the United nations. Because when gene made this show the united nations was just made kinda and since when did we have russians and chinese in our goverment than?

 

I think that the founder nations were supposed to be the countrys that started the UN kinda like france United kingdom and germany

 

here is what I think

 

Alpha centura or what ever= United kingdom

Tellrites= germany

Andorians= France with a extremely violent attitude

Vulcans= taiwan

 

I belive that the PoPoliticaleasons of the vulcans and romulans is justfyed because the two races were seseparatedecause of their goverments idea's. And china and taiwan sseparatedfrom each other because of goverment but taiwan had to move.

[HRH The KING 0]

If the Federation was the UN, they would have kicked out the Vulcans/Taiwanese and replaced them with the Romulans/Chinese.

 

[Captain Ericks 0]

Wouldn't the idea of the Vulcans/Romulans/Chinese/Taiwanese be more like the Romulans being the Taiwanese and Vulcans being the main cast from which the others broke away?

 

I know that doesn't fit with the Romulans=Chinese equation, but we can't mix our comparisons that much.

[HRH The KING 0]

I suppose the China/Taiwan issue could be mirrored in a future Trek story.

 

A powerful but tyrannical nation claims sovereignty over a smaller, democratic nation.

 

Does the Federation appease the larger nation for it's own interests, or defend the nation who's values are similar to those the Federation claims it also stands for?

 

If it maintains a neutral stance, how long will that last?

 

What if the smaller nation is divided between those who want to unite with the larger nation and reform it, and those who wish full independence?

 

What if the smaller nation is attacked and it asks for Federation help?

 

Interesting stuff.