A l t e r E g o 9 Posted October 14, 2003 Here's the latest links... China's Hu to witness space launch Won't be shown live. No big surprise there. Here are some older links with good info... http://www.cnn.com/2003/TECH/space/10/12/c...a.ap/index.html http://www.cnn.com/TECH/space/9911/22/chin...folo/index.html http://www.cnn.com/2003/TECH/space/10/13/c...pace/index.html http://www.cnn.com/2003/TECH/space/10/13/c...e.ap/index.html So, do you think this will be the shot in the arm which revitalizes space programs around the world? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
VaBeachGuy 12 Posted October 14, 2003 I first read about this last week, it's interesting. They're about 40 years behind though lol Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
8247 0 Posted October 15, 2003 They are using upgraded Russian Soyuz technology...still ancient. lol Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sirius 0 Posted October 15, 2003 Maybe I'm just too much of a Trekkie,but has anyone else noticed that the little arrowhead symbol of the door of Shinzhou 5,looks like the Starfleet logo? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
first_redneck_in_space 0 Posted October 15, 2003 Yeah,it kind of does look like the Starfleet arrowhead.I think that's just a ramp or something,though...the arrow is probably pointing the direction the astronauts needs to slide.Not that,I hope he needed that directional reminder of where his ship was . Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
master_q 0 Posted October 16, 2003 The Chinese unfortunately (and not surprisingly) don't seem to be doing this for scientific research or for the good of man kind. This is a play for dominance. One of the things they want to do is in the long run put a missile-system in outer space. The China government was asked the question "Why are you going into space?" they responded something like "We want to build our own space station." They don't want us to know what they are doing. Yes, I know there is a aspect of making the Chinese people feel good and make them see the communist philosophy as a good thing. You know I'm a big supporter of NASA and expanding into space. I think we should try to promote the space tourism because that would make space exploration profitable and that would give it a boom. Now, when I look at the Chinese they are not doing this for any good reason. They should not be praised. Master Q StarTrek_Master_Q@yahoo.com Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
A l t e r E g o 9 Posted October 16, 2003 Their Mission was a success. MQ I don't see any real praise for what they've done anywhere on this thread, my original post was one of only providing facts and some info, notice I added a Borg cube to the title heading when I first posted it? B) All the other posts are cracking fun... ----------- Did you know the Russians have a launching booster that is something to be behold (named Energia [<sp?]) It is capable of launching with two fully loaded shuttles at once and it does not use an once of solid propellant. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
VaBeachGuy 12 Posted October 16, 2003 Maybe I'm just too much of a Trekkie,but has anyone else noticed that the little arrowhead symbol of the door of Shinzhou 5,looks like the Starfleet logo? B) I just noticed that even before I read what you said lol (Ok, so I look at the pictures before I read the posts... lol) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
master_q 0 Posted October 16, 2003 Their Mission was a success. MQ I don't see any real praise for what they've done anywhere on this thread, my original post was one of only providing facts and some info, notice I added a Borg cube to the title heading when I first posted it? B) All the other posts are cracking fun... ----------- Did you know the Russians have a launching booster that is something to be behold (named Energia [<sp?]) It is capable of launching with two fully loaded shuttles at once and it does not use an once of solid propellant. Don't get me wrong I did not say that anyone here was, but other officials have been. Master Q StarTrek_Master_Q@yahoo.com Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Captain_Smiley 0 Posted October 16, 2003 The Chinese unfortunately (and not surprisingly) don't seem to be doing this for scientific research or for the good of man kind. This is a play for dominance. One of the things they want to do is in the long run put a missile-system in outer space. The China government was asked the question "Why are you going into space?" they responded something like "We want to build our own space station." They don't want us to know what they are doing. Yes, I know there is a aspect of making the Chinese people feel good and make them see the communist philosophy as a good thing. You know I'm a big supporter of NASA and expanding into space. I think we should try to promote the space tourism because that would make space exploration profitable and that would give it a boom. Now, when I look at the Chinese they are not doing this for any good reason. They should not be praised. Master Q StarTrek_Master_Q@yahoo.com How can you prove the Chinese are preparing to orbit nuclear platforms? If there has been no praise for them on this topic,then let me be the first.. "Good going,China!" I'll give the Chinese the benefit of a doubt,and hope they continue their space launches,with success.Hopefully the Chinese efforts will help revive interest in space programs worldwide,and lead to benefits for the Chinese people.I don't see sinister plots behind everything a foreign power does.They have as much right to space as we have.And be sure,if it does look like the chinese are up to funny business,they will be checked by not only the US,but other world powers. China's first astronaut has joined my list of spaceflight heroes,along with gagarin,Shepard,and Glenn. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
master_q 0 Posted October 16, 2003 Well, first off this whole Chinese program is run by their military. We also know as a fact that they are now preparing to put in place spy equipment in orbit (I’ll have to find the article). These days from space you could even see (with special equipment) your license plate on your car! Now, don’t say that these are going to be used for “scientific reasons.” Nothing that the Chinese are doing right now is for scientific research. The only thing they are doing is advancing their own political agenda. The Chinese said that they are doing this to ‘let all of their people [including regular citizens] to go into space freely’ - now how can that be true if the majority of the people that live in China are living in bad conditions (not to mention that word “freely”)? They said that’s one of their reasons to going up, but if that’s the case it does not all come together logically like a puzzle. I have also seen reports from the Drudge report. Ok, I took a look. Here’s one article I found Space set to become war zone, warns US general October 16, 2003 - 2:11PM Space may become a war zone in the not-too-distant future, a senior US military officer said today, hours after China became only the third country after the US and the former Soviet Union to put a man in space. "In my view it will not be long before space becomes a battleground," Lieutenant General Edward Anderson, deputy commander of US Northern Command, said in response to a question at a geospatial intelligence conference in New Orleans. "Our military forces ... depend very, very heavily on space capabilities, and so that is a statement of the obvious to our potential threat, whoever that may be," he said. "They can see that one of the ways that they can certainly diminish our capabilities will be to attack the space systems," said Anderson, who was formerly with US Space Command. "Now how they do that and who that's going to be I can't tell you in this audience," he said at the unclassified conference. The United States operates spy satellites in space. Earlier in the day, Rich Haver, former special assistant for intelligence to Defence Secretary Donald Rumsfeld, said he expected battles in space within the next two decades. "I believe space is the place we will fight in the next 20 years," said Haver, now vice president for intelligence strategy at Northrop Grumman Mission Systems. "There are executive orders that say we don't want to do that. There's been a long-standing US policy to try to keep space a peaceful place, but ... we have in space assets absolutely essential to the conduct of our military operations, absolutely essential to our national security. They have been there for many years," he said. "When the true history of the Cold War is written and all the classified items are finally unclassified, I believe that historians will note that it was in space that a significant degree of this country's ability to win the Cold War was embedded," Haver said. Responding to a question about the implications of China sending a man into space this week, Haver said: "I think the Chinese are telling us they're there, and I think if we ever wind up in a confrontation again with any one of the major powers who has a space capability we will find space is a battleground." Chinese "taikonaut" Yang Liwei touched down in the grasslands of Inner Mongolia early on Thursday local time after a 21-hour odyssey that took him around the world 14 times. Haver added that he was not implying that China was the next great competitor or enemy of the United States. The ability to launch devices into space is rapidly becoming a multinational activity, Haver said. I don’t know how anyone can think that this whole venture is not for China to expand militarily and try to get to the height of the US. Another question is why are they building their own space station? Why not join the rest of the world? (I think these questions are retorical in nature . . . .. . . . just common sense) Master Q StarTrek_Master_Q@yahoo.com Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mr_tinkles 0 Posted October 16, 2003 I'll have to agree with Captain Smiley.All of that sounds like typical US Govt' paranoia.We are such hypocrits.We can have a powerful military,huge stocks of nuclear weapons,and a highly successful space program,but when anyone else seems to be augmenting their defensive strength,Washington freaks.Now,with space,we insist on being the Grand High Poobah's,and everyone else can just follow our lead and like it.It doesn't work that way.If the Chinese want to build a space station,they will.If they want to continue to build their space program.They will.And I'm not against it.Like was said,they have as much right as we do.Why should they feel constrained to join the international space station program? I'll congratulate China,too.Good going! B) Maybe one day when all of this retarded East Vs. West bs is behind us,we can explore space together as brothers. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
master_q 0 Posted October 17, 2003 Just because we are very powerful military does not mean that we should let China expand militarily. That would be a very bad thing to do. It would not make the world a safer place nor will it make the region in which China is located a more stable place. I’m sure you are aware of the conflicts China has had with certain countries it borders with (and the trouble that could evolve if China becomes the world super power or becomes close to that). I don’t want to get too political here because this is not the Risa forum, but China (to my perspective) is an axis of evil. China is known to be a brutal regime to its own people. China is not a good guy and because of that it is not good for it to expand militarily. One of China’s goals is to boost moral in their own country. The other (and there can be no doubt to my mind because of history, evidence, and what Chain has said it self in statements) is that China is going to expand its military powers. I can’t think of any good reason of why that is a good thing. Maybe one day when all of this retarded East Vs. West bs is behind us,we can explore space together as brothers. Say that to China Master Q StarTrek_Master_Q@yahoo.com Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
edmcgon 0 Posted October 17, 2003 On one hand, I applaud China's accomplishment. B) On the other hand, I wonder when SDI will be ready? B) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
master_q 0 Posted October 17, 2003 (edited) Here’s one more article that proves my point "Inside the Ring" [has multiple articles I'm just giving the top one.] Spy in the sky China's first manned spacecraft did more than simply showcase Beijing's efforts for civilian space flight. The Shenzhou 5, or Divine Vessel 5, spacecraft also conducted intelligence-gathering work for China's military. Included on the top of the Long March 2F rocket, which boosted Shenzhou into orbit Tuesday, was a new Chinese military intelligence-gathering satellite. The satellite was placed in orbit successfully shortly after the Shenzhou began its 14-orbit mission. No mention of the satellite launch was made in the state-run Chinese press. Additionally, defense officials said the single-astronaut spacecraft carried an infrared camera that conducted photographic spying. The camera was mounted outside the craft and has a resolution of 1.6 meters, meaning something as small as 5 feet wide can be distinguished. The space spying highlights China's plans to use space for military purposes, primarily to develop missiles and sensors, and to blind or cripple U.S. communications and intelligence systems in any conflict over Taiwan. Lt. Col. Mark Stokes, director of the Taiwan desk at the Pentagon, said in a speech Sept. 30 that China's space program is closely linked to the Chinese military. China's "space assets will play a major role in any use of force against Taiwan and in preventing foreign intervention," Col. Stokes said. It is working to develop networks of satellites that will be used for spying and communications for the military, he said. China also has shown "significant indications" of developing space weapons, such as satellite-killing missiles and satellites and lasers that can disable U.S. military and intelligence satellites, he said. The Long March rocket booster also benefited from illegal U.S.-technology transfers in the 1990s, when U.S. satellite companies helped China fix electrical problems with the boosters. The booster improvements also benefited Chinese strategic missiles, which are made by the same Chinese manufacturers of the Long March rocket. http://www.washtimes.com/national/inring.htm Master Q StarTrek_Master_Q@yahoo.com Edited October 17, 2003 by master_q Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mr_tinkles 0 Posted October 18, 2003 (edited) "GOT HALADOL?" Edited October 18, 2003 by mr_tinkles Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Yellow_Dragon 0 Posted October 19, 2003 I'm not sure what to think about this development.On the one hand,I view the Chinese astronaut as a courageous man,and a pioneer.On the other hand,I am not so naive as to believe China's intentions are purely scientific.... Fortunately,it would appear that both the United States and Russia are well aware of Chinese intentions and will be keeping their eyes on the developing Chinese space program. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mr_tinkles 0 Posted October 23, 2003 (edited) Why the flak about China having military intentions connected to their space program?SO DO WE! Do you think the Chinese feel safe knowing our capabilities?I doubt it.I don't blame them for attempting to even the playing field. China's leaders are not stupid.They know the implications of orbiting nukes,and they won't do it.They have,however,demonstrated that they are capable of it.And,it would appear,the west has taken notice,which may have been the sole intent and benefit of the launch in the first place. As for SDI...oh,brother :blink: as if that will EVER work!They've been trying to perfect Reagan's project for twenty-years now and are still no closer to initiating it than ever before.If SDI works half as well as our Patriot missiles from the Gulf War,we might get lucky and intercept about a sixteenth of the incoming birds. China has a right to do what it is doing. Edited October 23, 2003 by mr_tinkles Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
master_q 0 Posted October 23, 2003 Why the flak about China having military intentions connected to their space program?SO DO WE!Do you think the Chinese feel safe knowing our capabilities?I doubt it.I don't blame them for attempting to even the playing field. China's leaders are not stupid.They know the implications of orbiting nukes,and they won't do it.They have,however,demonstrated that they are capable of it.And,it would appear,the west has taken notice,which may have been the sole intent and benefit of the launch in the first place. As for SDI...oh,brother :blink: as if that will EVER work!They've been trying to perfect Reagan's project for twenty-years now and are still no closer to initiating it than ever before.If SDI works half as well as our Patriot missiles from the Gulf War,we might get lucky and intercept about a sixteenth of the incoming birds. China has a right to do what it is doing. Well, my point was not to say that we don't or do have military attentions in space. That was never my point. When was it?..... My main point was that we should not allow brutal government to also have those capabilities. Your point does in any way intersect what I said at all - - - You did not address the issue. (You addressed it at a tangent.) I don't see a point to elaborate the reasons why we should not allow a brutal and evil government to develop a more aggressive posture in its military because you don't even address my key points. (And I think this is pretty apparent for the reasons. Unless you like brutal governments or if you are a Commie or a "small 'c' commie") Master Q StarTrek_Master_Q@yahoo.com Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
prometheus 0 Posted October 30, 2003 Bet they'll be eating no rice on that mission >< Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Yellow_Dragon 0 Posted November 1, 2003 Why the flak about China having military intentions connected to their space program?SO DO WE!Do you think the Chinese feel safe knowing our capabilities?I doubt it.I don't blame them for attempting to even the playing field. China's leaders are not stupid.They know the implications of orbiting nukes,and they won't do it.They have,however,demonstrated that they are capable of it.And,it would appear,the west has taken notice,which may have been the sole intent and benefit of the launch in the first place. As for SDI...oh,brother :lol: as if that will EVER work!They've been trying to perfect Reagan's project for twenty-years now and are still no closer to initiating it than ever before.If SDI works half as well as our Patriot missiles from the Gulf War,we might get lucky and intercept about a sixteenth of the incoming birds. China has a right to do what it is doing. Well, my point was not to say that we don't or do have military attentions in space. That was never my point. When was it?..... My main point was that we should not allow brutal government to also have those capabilities. Your point does in any way intersect what I said at all - - - You did not address the issue. (You addressed it at a tangent.) I don't see a point to elaborate the reasons why we should not allow a brutal and evil government to develop a more aggressive posture in its military because you don't even address my key points. (And I think this is pretty apparent for the reasons. Unless you like brutal governments or if you are a Commie or a "small 'c' commie") Master Q StarTrek_Master_Q@yahoo.com Haven't you read Mr.Tinkles posts in Risa?He IS a communist... where's McCarthy when you need him? :lol: Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
master_q 0 Posted November 1, 2003 Haven't you read Mr.Tinkles posts in Risa?He IS a communist...where's McCarthy when you need him? :lol: Well, I know he is a socialist. I did not know how far to the left he is. If he is that far to the left, then that scares me... (in my view & from my perspective) Master Q StarTrek_Master_Q@yahoo.com Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
