Romulans and Remans

[Hooray for boobies 0]

You remeber the first time we met the Romulans in TNG in the neutral zone. When they activated their viewscreen there was two of them sitting there. Only one of them introduced himself so I assume he was in command. But they alternated in a peculiar way when answering questions. First one speaks, and the next reply the other one takes and then the first one again and so on. And whenever they were to make decisions they both looked at each other as if seeking approval. Do you think they may have toyed with idea of combined command between one Romulan and one Reman? Before they made a unique desing for the Remans I mean.

 

In all later appearances of the warbird there was alway only one commander on the viewscreen so whatever idea was behind the two in the Neutral Zone was dropped.

 

Anyway I thought it was interesting speculation. Might fit with twin worlds and the logo of the bird holding one planet in each claw, and would also have given the Romulans another distinction from other races. Almost a pity they didn't use it.

[Takara_Soong 4]

I doubt it. I would be surprised to learn that the concept of the Remans was even discussed before ST:NEM. We've always known of the existance of Remus but were never told anything about the planet's inhabitants. TPTB may have toyed with the idea of having two in command but I would suspect it was always with two Romulans and not a Romulan and a Reman.

[MrPsychic 1]

Remans are a slave race, used for shock troops, body guards, and mining. I highly doubt they would be allowed on a Romulan starship.

[welfconfed 2]

While I think it is inaccurate to refer to the Remans as a "slave race" (check out the thread about the Remans in the Romulan Embassy) I do agree that the Remans have never been seen serving along side Romulans as equals, so a Romulan crew serving under a Reman 'co-captain' is extremely unlikely.

 

I believe it was the CO and XO of the Warbird.

[Hooray for boobies 0]

The other one doesn't really need to be of Reman race for the principle to work. He could just be a Romulan representing Remans. But probably as mentioned the other one was just the Romulan number one. Anyway if there ever was an idea of dual command it was dropped almost immidiately.

[DaboGirl 7]

The other one doesn't really need to be of Reman race for the principle to work. He could just be a Romulan representing Remans. But probably as mentioned the other one was just the Romulan number one. Anyway if there ever was an idea of dual command it was dropped almost immidiately.

I wouldn't be surprised if we never see Remans again.

I don't believe they will make an appearance in JJ Abram's Trek movie even though the Romulans are the main villains.

[SeeingEyeBorg 0]

I wouldn't be surprised if we never see Remans again.

I don't believe they will make an appearance in JJ Abram's Trek movie even though the Romulans are the main villains.

 

Are they really going to be? Abrams better be careful. First, he's toying with TOS characters. Now, he's making Romulans the main villains. Nemesis showed that unless you have a brilliant writer with a truly original voice and unique vision, it's best to leave Romulans (and Remans, and clones for that matter) to the TV world, not the big screen.

[Hooray for boobies 0]

The thing about Nemesis thoug is that Romulans are not even villains. Only Shinzon and the Remans are. In that respect Nemesis suffers from the same problem as Insurrection. A completely new race for villains. One which we know nothing about and which has no history (to us). All other Star Trek movies so far has used villains firmly established in the TV series. Which actually only means Klingons and Borg. (Unless you count Elaurians),

 

If Romulans are going to feature in the new movie, they had better be villains. At very least don't give us a completely new race with godawful ugly starships like the Sona and the Remans.

 

I do see one possible future for the Remans though. Instead of having their own ships why not see a few serving on Romulan ships. The federation can't be the only power in the Alpha Quadrant allowing members of a different race to serve aboard their ships. Romulans could use Remans, Cardassians could use Bajorans. Klingons.. well their probably best left alone.

[prometheus 0]

A bad Elaurian on Generations was a bit pants to say the least. Thankfully, the casting of Malcolm McDowell (Clockwork Orange) saved the day. I don;t know what it is about baddies and British accents though - it's a bit trite, but oh well. The Borg just sound like they smoke loads!

 

As for the Remans and the Sona, yes they were new. Where were the Remans dueing DS9? Would the Romulans really have sent themselves off against the Jem Hadar had they had this entire race of BAMFs just waiting in the wings? And the Sona were just a race of evil Joan Rivers trying to suck a planet dry of all it's juicy life force. Isn't it so nice that Picard has a gorgeous woman waiting for him on the planet of eternal life when he decides to retire!!!! Would you want to die if you were him given the hell that Q put him through on Tapestries?

[MrPsychic 1]

In Nemesis, they said that Remans had been used as shock troops and cannon fodder during the Dominion War.

[welfconfed 2]

In Nemesis, they said that Remans had been used as shock troops and cannon fodder during the Dominion War.

 

 

While you are correct that the Remans served the Empire in some of the most vicious battles of the war, the idea that they were only 'cannon fodder' was Picard and crews 'interpretation' of the available data. (again I would encourage anyone interested in the Romulan/Reman relationship to read and contribute to the thread in the Romulan embassy, An Empire Divided: Reconsidering Reman slavery)

[Odie 0]

Anything that is not stated in the movies and the television series is not cannon.

[He Who Shall Not Be Named 2]

Anything that is not stated in the movies and the television series is not cannon.

But is *everything* stated in the movies and series cannon? As welconfed stated, the Remans being used for canon fodder was Picard and Riker's interpretation based on limited information. It could be they played a much more extensive role than Picard and Riker knew. So just because Picard and Riker said it doesn't make it true.

 

With a franchise that has been in various states of production for the better part of 40 years cannon also changes over time. Picard thought humanity's first encounter with the Borg occurred in "Q, Who?" but we now know it occurred during the events of "First Contact" and that humanity was aware of the Borg at some level since then despite choosing to ignore that knowledge.

[rob39874 0]

El-Aurians are not really villians Soran was just unusual and we never see another El Aurian. If the romulans are the villians I am a bit more suspicious of the movie. A Romulan has never been a villian before in the film (Nemesis does not count as it was mostly remans.)

 

But isn't going to mess with continuity if this is before Kirk actually met the Romulans in that series one episode.

 

Then again ENT Completley screwed the continuity as well.

 

Looks like this film is going to completley change ST as we know it.

[He Who Shall Not Be Named 2]

Maybe the new movie will change Kor into a woman or change Mudd into an asian woman or change Daystrom into an old white man.

[Takara_Soong 4]

But is *everything* stated in the movies and series cannon? As welconfed stated, the Remans being used for canon fodder was Picard and Riker's interpretation based on limited information. It could be they played a much more extensive role than Picard and Riker knew. So just because Picard and Riker said it doesn't make it true.

In that instance, it would be canon that there were Reman troops used during the Dominion War. The extent and nature of their deployments would be open to debate.

 

El-Aurians are not really villians Soran was just unusual and we never see another El Aurian. If the romulans are the villians I am a bit more suspicious of the movie. A Romulan has never been a villian before in the film (Nemesis does not count as it was mostly remans.)

 

But isn't going to mess with continuity if this is before Kirk actually met the Romulans in that series one episode.

 

Then again ENT Completley screwed the continuity as well.

 

Looks like this film is going to completley change ST as we know it.

Guinan was El-Aurian so of the two we met, one was a villain.

 

ENT didn't change canon regarding the Romulans. Kirk was the first human to see a Romulan and ENT didn't change that. There was no visual contact between Romulans and humans in any episode of ENT. Also, we know that Romulans and humans had been in non-visual contact before TOS because of the Romulan-Earth war referred to in TOS.

[Lady Britannia 0]

You remeber the first time we met the Romulans in TNG in the neutral zone. When they activated their viewscreen there was two of them sitting there. Only one of them introduced himself so I assume he was in command. But they alternated in a peculiar way when answering questions. First one speaks, and the next reply the other one takes and then the first one again and so on. And whenever they were to make decisions they both looked at each other as if seeking approval. Do you think they may have toyed with idea of combined command between one Romulan and one Reman? Before they made a unique desing for the Remans I mean.

 

In all later appearances of the warbird there was alway only one commander on the viewscreen so whatever idea was behind the two in the Neutral Zone was dropped.

 

Anyway I thought it was interesting speculation. Might fit with twin worlds and the logo of the bird holding one planet in each claw, and would also have given the Romulans another distinction from other races. Almost a pity they didn't use it.

 

It was a commanding officer and a first officer. Tebok and Thei.

 

Personally I regard the Romulans/Remans as the same people.

 

The decision to introduce the Remans at all, and especially make them look so silly in appearance was one of the worst decisions ever in Star Trek.

[prometheus 0]

Looks like this film is going to completley change ST as we know it.

Guinan was El-Aurian so of the two we met, one was a villain.

 

 

There was an El-Aurian on DS9 - remember he ran a rival casino. The episode was called Rivals and the character was Martus Mazur (I'm sorry but I had to look up Wikipedia to check that - which interestingly said that El-Aurians were not named til that DS9 episode)

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/El-Aurian

[prometheus 0]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reman

 

check that out too

[DaboGirl 7]

Looks like this film is going to completley change ST as we know it.

 

I wouldn't worry about it yet. I managed to catch a couple of minutes of the 1st Superman the movie with Christopher Reeve.

I'm sure hard core Superman fans were panic stricken when they saw images of a white haired Marlon Brandon as Jor-El with the Superman logo on his chest, nothing like that ever was drawn in the comics. And young Kal-El leaving earth in the spiked ball space craft and not the Buck Rogers/Flash Gordon 1920s era style of rocket that had always previously been drawn. In the end it was a great movie.

 

With the new Trek movie only time will tell.

[A l t e r E g o 9]

You remeber the first time we met the Romulans in TNG in the neutral zone. When they activated their viewscreen there was two of them sitting there. Only one of them introduced himself so I assume he was in command. But they alternated in a peculiar way when answering questions. First one speaks, and the next reply the other one takes and then the first one again and so on. And whenever they were to make decisions they both looked at each other as if seeking approval. Do you think they may have toyed with idea of combined command between one Romulan and one Reman? Before they made a unique desing for the Remans I mean.

 

In all later appearances of the warbird there was alway only one commander on the viewscreen so whatever idea was behind the two in the Neutral Zone was dropped.

 

Anyway I thought it was interesting speculation. Might fit with twin worlds and the logo of the bird holding one planet in each claw, and would also have given the Romulans another distinction from other races. Almost a pity they didn't use it.

 

Interesting and thoughtful. That would have been a better idea imo than the usual command structure we soooooooo often see in ST.