Stephen of Borg 2 Posted November 20, 2005 I was just wondering why some fans don't like TATV and I thought that these are probably the flaws with the last episode ENT fans didn't care for After watching the entire series, I wasn't surprised that TNG made it's way into the finale. TNG references are found all through-out the series. Like I've said in previous posts, I hated Riker and Troi being in the episode AT FIRST, but as the episode goes on it doesn't bother me as much. The part about having Riker in it that bugged me was how he always kept freezing the program. If the holodeck wasn't made so obvious, it wouldn't have been half as bad. I liked how Riker posed as the Chef, who we never see, and actually had conversations with the crew. It added to the grief of Trip dying when it showed Trip talking to Chef (Riker) in a flashback after Trip died. I thought it was a sad scene to watch Trip die and then it shows him happy talking to chef about him getting ready to pack his bags and not knowing he would die in a few hours at most. I also thought that Riker watching the room explode, knowing Trip was dying, and Riker watching Archer waking up and searching for Trip in all of that rubble with a sad face. It, in a way, added to the scene. Which brings me to the next option, the death of Trip I would have liked it better if Trip hadn't died, he was a loveable character that would have made great captain of his own ship one day. But if he had to die, it maybe should have been done in another way. But on the other hand, he died to save his best friend. Saving your best friend, is there a better way to die than doing it for a friend? I really don't think so. So when I really give it thought, I'd say that if I didn't like any part of the final episode, it would be the adding of Troi and Riker. I gave it a lot of thought and I'm comfortable with that conclusion. What are your thoughts? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kor37 9 Posted November 20, 2005 I agree. Enterprise should have been allowed to end its run on its own without the distraction of the TNG characters. Also, the death of Tripp was really unnecessary and added nothing to the story. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mj 7 Posted November 23, 2005 I voted other, and would have liked to see more of the final scenes, more camera time focused on the different delegates present, more on that scene with the beginnnings of the federation. I also did not like either of the two mentioned problems, although there is still potential for episodes with Trip if they occure within the 6 year period before his death. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Odie 0 Posted November 23, 2005 I believe for the most part people don't like seeing their main charaters die off. It started with Spock's death, but it had lots of emotional weight to it when you compared to Data's and Trips' deathes. It didn't make much sense to kill them off it was the end of their movies and TV series. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
VaBeachGuy 12 Posted November 23, 2005 I voted Other also, for me the worst part was that it was the final episode and that we wouldn't see the story concluded throughout a full 7 year run. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BKY1701 0 Posted December 14, 2005 I really didn't like it at all. As the ending, there was a lot more potential then what was used. It really rather sucked an ending. They SOULD HAVE done this: Have the last 3 shows about the federation; the first the signing that was in TATV (and SHOW the signing, don't end it just before it! That was so lame that we never got to see it!), then the founding of the federation, then Archer being appointed as president of the federation. THAT would be an ending. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sea trooper 0 Posted December 14, 2005 Both. I didn't like that Trip died while T'pol still walked with the living, and the Holodeck ending. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jack_Bauer 1 Posted December 14, 2005 then Archer being appointed as president of the federation. Well, he couldn't be appointed and he wouldn't be the first president. According to onscreen materials (the canonicity of which are somewhat suspect) Thomas Vanderbilt was the first president (in Picard's family album) and Archer wasn't elected to the presidency until 2184 (which can be read onscreen in his bio in In a Mirror Darkly). Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Stephen of Borg 2 Posted December 14, 2005 I always took President Archer as cannon. He was a man of great importance at his time so I could see that he would become the President of the Federation seeing that he is one of the founders Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jack_Bauer 1 Posted December 14, 2005 I always took President Archer as cannon. He was a man of great importance at his time so I could see that he would become the President of the Federation seeing that he is one of the founders Yeah, I agree. Someone like Archer could easily run for President and win. After Ent he became Starfleet Chief of Staff, Ambassador to Andoria, and later a Federation councillor. I don't think it would too hard for him to win a presidential election. I think it would be comparable to someone like Eisenhower becoming President after commanding U.S. forces in WWII. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Capt_Picard 0 Posted December 14, 2005 I think they killed Trip to leave out the likely hood that in the non-show time him and T'Pol have a kid there by making that Spock would be the 2nd vulcan/human... Just a thought. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Captain Ericks 0 Posted December 18, 2005 Definitely the fact that they focus on the TNG characters more than the ENt characters. The idea might have been interesting for a regular episode, but the finale, no way. OI VE! The fact that Riker and Troi leave the holodeck right before archer's famous speeck really ticked me off. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Stephen of Borg 2 Posted December 26, 2005 I watched TATV again recently and the part I don't like most about Trip dying is how he seemed to lose his cool in the end. I didn't care for him acting scared, it just seemed a little out of character Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kor37 9 Posted December 26, 2005 I don't recall Tripp being scared. I'll have to watch the episode again. I remember him giving Archer a smile and a wink of the eye. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Admiral Kirk 1 Posted December 27, 2005 I think Trip dying wasn't necessary and the ENT cast was reduced to holgrams for the STNG characters to interact with is unforgivable. :) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ENTERPRISE1701D 0 Posted April 11, 2006 For me the death of Trip served no purpose - as for tying the whole thing to a TNG episode looked strange at best. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Stephen of Borg 2 Posted April 16, 2006 TNG and ENT referenced each other a lot, so it was no surprise that TNG would be in the last ENT episode. I wish I wrote down everytime they talked about TNG on ENT and vice verse. On TNG, they talked of a Xindi Starbase and Archer IV among other things, which Archer IV is cannon named after the character from ENT. And on ENT, they had many TNG references like on one episode I believe it was Mayweather and Reed eating and they said Mayweather: In the future, I wonder if our families will be allowed to come aboard the ship? Reed: Families on a ship?! they would need a Psychiatrist (Troi) not to mention other references I can't remember, but I know they were there. Haven't seen the series in months even though I have the DVDs. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites