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I rented Season 7 of DS9 from Netflix, and I see why you like the season so much. I still have a prediliction for seasons 4 and 5, but 7, I think, is climbing the favorites list.

 

I can't bring myself to watch "What We Leave Behind." If I don't watch it, DS9 didn't really end, right?? Just like if I don't watch "Tears of the Prophets," Jadzia isn't really dead!

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I can't bring myself to watch "What We Leave Behind."  If I don't watch it, DS9 didn't really end, right??  Just like if I don't watch "Tears of the Prophets," Jadzia isn't really dead!

I know what you mean about both of those episodes. I've only seen them once each when I first bought the DVDs. I can't bring myself to watch them again..Especially not 'What you leave behind'..Other than that episode season 7 was fantastic..

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All of the season's were great, I think season 1 was probably the "weakest" of the season's but they got stronger each year.

 

Like I've said about season 7 though, it had more of my favorites then any other season. The only thing about season 7 that I really didn't care for was the way they focused on Winn at the end. I never liked her character.

 

Season 6 had some great episodes too, and I've always said that season 6 has the best of all Star Trek's with "In The Pale Moon Light".

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Hey i like the first season!

 

It sets up each character nicly

 

Now if only Enterprise did that.....

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All of the season's were great, I think season 1 was probably the "weakest" of the season's but they got stronger each year.

 

Like I've said about season 7 though, it had more of my favorites then any other season. The only thing about season 7 that I really didn't care for was the way they focused on Winn at the end. I never liked her character.

 

Season 6 had some great episodes too, and I've always said that season 6 has the best of all Star Trek's with "In The Pale Moon Light".

And it had the worst of trek with Valient and Profit and Lace but that's all subjective.

 

Season 7 is the weakest season IMO. It just seemed like there was too much focus on holosuite adventures, and normal life on the station (And 1 to many Ezri episodes) rather than the War. I think the war should have ended a lot earlier so some unanswered questions would be addressed like Bajor's entrence into the federation. Also, I didn't like what happened with Jake, or Ben going to live with the prophets. The Penence should have been something else, like not being able to live on Bajor ever or something.

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I really liked the way DS9 ended, and have the two-part season finale on tape, and have watched it over and over again. It's funny how we all see things so differently!

 

I sitill have missed some episodes, so that series will be the first I will finish buying season sets for. I only have season four right now.

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And it had the worst of trek with Valient and Profit and Lace but that's all subjective.

 

Season 7 is the weakest season IMO.  It just seemed like there was too much focus on holosuite adventures, and normal life on the station (And 1 to many Ezri episodes) rather than the War.  I think the war should have ended a lot earlier so some unanswered questions would be addressed like Bajor's entrence into the federation.  Also, I didn't like what happened with Jake, or Ben going to live with the prophets.  The Penence should have been something else, like not being able to live on Bajor ever or something.

Season 7 was all right when it was dealing with the WAR, but I totally agree that there was way too much focus on Ezri (Dax should not have been given a new host AND stationed back on DS9 ... stupid). The whole thing with Kai Winn and Gul Dukat was also boring.

 

The good things about Season 7 were:

 

1.) Weyoun!!!!

2.) Damar's change from big jerk to cool dude.

3.) The defeat of the Dominion

4.) All things Klingon, especially Worf and Martok's "promotions" ... I won't say how they got them in case there are those who have not seen Season 7 as yet.

 

And I agree ... Ben's penance for marrying Kasidy against the wishes of the prophets should not have been getting sucked into the Celestial Temple. Definitely the "never allowed to live on Bajor thing" would have been much better.

 

If you hated the end of DS9 like I did, I've found that those relaunch books are just awesome .... Paramount should hire these folks. If nothing else, they show that DS9 could have gone on and on, even without all the old cast. Think of them as season 8.

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Well, I didn't hate how DS9 ended. I appriteated the show and was happy with the ending, but it could have been a bit better.

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And it had the worst of trek with Valient and Profit and Lace but that's all subjective.

 

Season 7 is the weakest season IMO.  It just seemed like there was too much focus on holosuite adventures, and normal life on the station (And 1 to many Ezri episodes) rather than the War.  I think the war should have ended a lot earlier so some unanswered questions would be addressed like Bajor's entrence into the federation.  Also, I didn't like what happened with Jake, or Ben going to live with the prophets.  The Penence should have been something else, like not being able to live on Bajor ever or something.

Season 7 was all right when it was dealing with the WAR, but I totally agree that there was way too much focus on Ezri (Dax should not have been given a new host AND stationed back on DS9 ... stupid). The whole thing with Kai Winn and Gul Dukat was also boring.

 

The good things about Season 7 were:

 

1.) Weyoun!!!!

2.) Damar's change from big jerk to cool dude.

3.) The defeat of the Dominion

4.) All things Klingon, especially Worf and Martok's "promotions" ... I won't say how they got them in case there are those who have not seen Season 7 as yet.

 

And I agree ... Ben's penance for marrying Kasidy against the wishes of the prophets should not have been getting sucked into the Celestial Temple. Definitely the "never allowed to live on Bajor thing" would have been much better.

 

If you hated the end of DS9 like I did, I've found that those relaunch books are just awesome .... Paramount should hire these folks. If nothing else, they show that DS9 could have gone on and on, even without all the old cast. Think of them as season 8.

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I agree with both of ya on most points....

I really think the war shouldn't have ended so fast...the last episodes seemed very rushed and I also was pretty bored of the holosuites episodes of season seven...Some of them were good, but I think they just had one too many...

The Kai Winn/Dukat relationship was hard to watch since to me, it seemed like it degraded Dukat's character to turn Bajoran....It was an interesting twist, but just very...awkward...

Maybe we could have had at least one more Weyoun and Damar episode...heehee.

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I agree with both of ya on most points....

I really think the war shouldn't have ended so fast...the last episodes seemed very rushed and I also was pretty bored of the holosuites episodes of season seven...Some of them were good, but I think they just had one too many...

The Kai Winn/Dukat relationship was hard to watch since to me, it seemed like it degraded Dukat's character to turn Bajoran....It was an interesting twist, but just very...awkward...

Maybe we could have had at least one more Weyoun and Damar episode...heehee.

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I agree, I would have rather see Weyoun and Damar more then Winn and Dukat, though they really had to have Dukat in it to close out his character.

 

As for the holosuite episodes, I loved them. They only had 3 that season, "Take Me Out to the Holosuite" which was great to see the characters "out of character" and doing something as simple as playing baseball.

 

"It's Only a Paper Moon" was a great follow-up to "The Siege of AR-558" and closed out the story arc of Nog's leg as well as developing Vic's character more and "Badda-Bing Badda-Bang" was a great diversion from the war for the crew and the audience, how could they not do a "Rat Pack" episode when they have a 1960's casino on the station?

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Wow, only three? Seemed like more(I get my seasons mixed up alot)...I guess the only thing that really bothered me about the holosuite episodes was all the singing that Vic Fontaine did...He's a great character and I liked his music, but there was one episode, I can't remember which, where he just kept singing....I was kinda getting bored(Guess that's why I've never been to a concert...god, I need a life...)

Anyway, didn't mean to sound negative...

I also think it would have been cool to see Kilana again...or even Eris...I wish they would have shown the telekinesis of the Vorta more...but then again, I heard that they decided to forget that the Vorta had that power because of Weyoun's character being brought back to life as a clone...They didn't want the Vorta to appear as powerful with the telekinetic force AND immortality...That's just what I heard...

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Yeah, on one of the DVD's they said that they made a few mistakes with the Vorta in the beginning and I think their telekinetic powers was one of those "mistakes" because we never see it beyond "The Jem'Hadar" (Episode 26 of season 2).

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I agree with both of ya on most points....

I really think the war shouldn't have ended so fast...the last episodes seemed very rushed and I also was pretty bored of the holosuites episodes of season seven...Some of them were good, but I think they just had one too many...

The Kai Winn/Dukat relationship was hard to watch since to me, it seemed like it degraded Dukat's character to turn Bajoran....It was an interesting twist, but just very...awkward...

Maybe we could have had at least one more Weyoun and Damar episode...heehee.

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I agree, I would have rather see Weyoun and Damar more then Winn and Dukat, though they really had to have Dukat in it to close out his character.

 

As for the holosuite episodes, I loved them. They only had 3 that season, "Take Me Out to the Holosuite" which was great to see the characters "out of character" and doing something as simple as playing baseball.

 

"It's Only a Paper Moon" was a great follow-up to "The Siege of AR-558" and closed out the story arc of Nog's leg as well as developing Vic's character more and "Badda-Bing Badda-Bang" was a great diversion from the war for the crew and the audience, how could they not do a "Rat Pack" episode when they have a 1960's casino on the station?

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OK, I can understand the first 2, because take me out to the holosuite was a great show, and It's only a paper moon was necessary, but they didn't need Badda Bing Badda Bang. It just seemed like half way through the final season, the writers were wasting time, which in the end came back to bite them.

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I agree with both of ya on most points....

I really think the war shouldn't have ended so fast...the last episodes seemed very rushed and I also was pretty bored of the holosuites episodes of season seven...Some of them were good, but I think they just had one too many...

The Kai Winn/Dukat relationship was hard to watch since to me, it seemed like it degraded Dukat's character to turn Bajoran....It was an interesting twist, but just very...awkward...

Maybe we could have had at least one more Weyoun and Damar episode...heehee.

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I agree, I would have rather see Weyoun and Damar more then Winn and Dukat, though they really had to have Dukat in it to close out his character.

 

As for the holosuite episodes, I loved them. They only had 3 that season, "Take Me Out to the Holosuite" which was great to see the characters "out of character" and doing something as simple as playing baseball.

 

"It's Only a Paper Moon" was a great follow-up to "The Siege of AR-558" and closed out the story arc of Nog's leg as well as developing Vic's character more and "Badda-Bing Badda-Bang" was a great diversion from the war for the crew and the audience, how could they not do a "Rat Pack" episode when they have a 1960's casino on the station?

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OK, I can understand the first 2, because take me out to the holosuite was a great show, and It's only a paper moon was necessary, but they didn't need Badda Bing Badda Bang. It just seemed like half way through the final season, the writers were wasting time, which in the end came back to bite them.

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You are so right about Badda Bing Badda Bang. They wasted several episodes worth of time that would have been nice for then to have had later when they were trying to end the series.

 

One other they could have done without included that one about Ezri's family and their mining business (who cares ... there's a war on). "Take Me Out to the Holosuite" and "Badda Bing Badda Bang" would have been better placed during Season 6 ... they just seemed way too lighthearted after the death of a major cast member and would have "felt" more right prior to that IMO.

 

That push to the end in Season 7 was AWESOME, though. I wish they'd had 2 or 3 more episodes left to have spread the story arc out a little more... it seemed a bit choppy at the very end of "What You Leave Behind."

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"Prodigal Daughter" was a follow up to O'Brien's "Honor Among Theives", he was in search of Billby's missing wife. It was also used as a way to further develope Ezri's character. Don't forget she was a brand new character and the audience knew nothing about her other then she was host to Dax.

 

You also have to take into consideration ratings, deep heavy topics like a war can tend to lower ratings if there isn't something to lighten things up from time to time. Badda Bing is one of the many episodes from season 7 that I count as a favorite. Could they have done without it? Sure, it wasn't part of the War Arc. But so what, not all 26 episodes of the season have to be related to 1 arc.

 

Consider the Holosuite episodes as the "Cotton Candy Factory Forum" of season 7. Something that's a fun diversion from the heavy topics of "Kronos" (the Dominion War).

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"Prodigal Daughter" was a follow up to O'Brien's "Honor Among Theives", he was in search of Billby's missing wife. It was also used as a way to further develope Ezri's character. Don't forget she was a brand new character and the audience knew nothing about her other then she was host to Dax.

 

You also have to take into consideration ratings, deep heavy topics like a war can tend to lower ratings if there isn't something to lighten things up from time to time. Badda Bing is one of the many episodes from season 7 that I count as a favorite. Could they have done without it? Sure, it wasn't part of the War Arc. But so what, not all 26 episodes of the season have to be related to 1 arc.

 

Consider the Holosuite episodes as the "Cotton Candy Factory Forum" of season 7. Something that's a fun diversion from the heavy topics of "Kronos" (the Dominion War).

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In DS9's final season, they should already have a niche audience, and because the show is in syndication, ratings don't mean a darn thing.

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"Prodigal Daughter" was a follow up to O'Brien's "Honor Among Theives", he was in search of Billby's missing wife. It was also used as a way to further develope Ezri's character. Don't forget she was a brand new character and the audience knew nothing about her other then she was host to Dax.

 

You also have to take into consideration ratings, deep heavy topics like a war can tend to lower ratings if there isn't something to lighten things up from time to time. Badda Bing is one of the many episodes from season 7 that I count as a favorite. Could they have done without it? Sure, it wasn't part of the War Arc. But so what, not all 26 episodes of the season have to be related to 1 arc.

 

Consider the Holosuite episodes as the "Cotton Candy Factory Forum" of season 7. Something that's a fun diversion from the heavy topics of "Kronos" (the Dominion War).

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In DS9's final season, they should already have a niche audience, and because the show is in syndication, ratings don't mean a darn thing.

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I think if that was true they wouldn't have had the "fun" episodes. Now I agree that at the end of a series it doesn't really matter in terms of the show being picked up but the Ratings do matter in the sense of advertising dollars. Keep things too dark for too long and people won't tune in. People don't tune in and advertisers won't pay for commercials, then as a producer you risk future opportunities based on past performance.

 

Like I said, the shows didn't have anything to do with the Arc, but that doesn't matter. They could afford 3 or 4 episodes out of 26 to have fun.

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I loved Season 7, especially the final episodes, thought they were really excellent. Some of the best performances from the actors.

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I loved Season 7, especially the final episodes, thought they were really excellent. Some of the best performances from the actors.

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Some of the best Drama too.

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It's no secret that Dukat is one of my favorite characters in all of Star Trek, and ties with Kang as my favorite bad guy of all time. But after he went crazy, it seems as though the writers didn't know what to do with him. Personally, his whole Kira-your-mother-was-my-mistress thing was an episode that belonged earlier in the run, not Season 6. And the connection between him and Wynn and Bajor in Season 7 ... no. It was unworthy of the Dukat they had created. I think MA did the best he could with what he was given. And, for goodness' sake, how many women could Dukat handle? LOL...not that he handled any of them well at all...lol. I love MA's comment in the Hidden Files about all the women...lol.

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I can paraphrase - it's from the Section 31 files on the Season 7 dvd's -

 

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He says something along the lines of..."Yeah, Dukat sure got around. I wish the writers had let me in on some of that..." He didn't state it as crudely as that.

 

Can someone who has Season 7 help me with the quote here? I only purchased through Season 6 before I went totally broke...

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I can paraphrase - it's from the Section 31 files on the Season 7 dvd's -

 

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Can someone who has Season 7 help me with the quote here?  I only purchased through Season 6 before I went totally broke...

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