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my big thing is not the continuity its the technology.  Yes I know that if they tried to make everything not as complicated than TOS the show would look realy bad.  I just wish some of the things would look at least a little more like they did in TOS. 

Maybe they should use Apple-look-alike technology instead of PC-look-alike tech?

I actually thought UPN had dropped this.  IMO, it is a new low even for reality shows. I don't buy for a minute they intend to treat the subjects with respect - this is UPN for pete's sake - the let's appeal to the lowest common denominator in human behavior for ratings.  The crowd this is aimed at wouldn't watch if it was done tastefully and with respect.  I'm sure a lot of people will get a big kick out of ridiculing the way these kids were raised.  These young kids will have eveything in their lives held up for public ridicule - the only group that the media would even consider treating that way would be a religious group -

 

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In some countries this is called discrimination. In most countries people wouldn't even consider the possibility of anything this offensive. How pathetic.

I don't know how anyone can watch that stuff.   Turn on the discovery channel people.

*hushed voice with British accent*

"Watch as the males attempt to flaunt their brightly-colored plumage to the females in an attempt to find a mate..."

 

Same premise, different species. :o

Bwa ha ha ha.

Why did I have a flashback to high school when I read that?

Never heard of this, but here are a couple of sights you might want to check out:

Possible Cause

Possible symptom of above cause

This is no joke. Seek help if you're seeing things.

Donald Rumsfeld. Don't try to tell me he's not an actor. Also, he's inspired more fear based on fictitious stories than anyone else on that list.

From the list, I chose Price. His laugh always comes to mind when someone talks about horror movies (for me).

Oh, I get it.  And there was no attack there.

Really? First of all, you weren't the "attack" I was referring to but I still don't think you "get it"

Sorry for the confusion, but you mixed the attack comment and the don't get it in the same paragraph so you can see how I might think you meant me, right? I do get it - I just don't agree with you and don't care to discuss it anymore, which was the intent of my post. I realise it was rather acerbic, but hey, that's how I feel about the whole love/hate thing with T'Pol with some people here. Let's move past it.

Oh, I get it. And there was no attack there.

Yeah TUH really hates T'Pol for some reason. But thats ok. To each thier own.

Some reason? how about she made a choice to put the entire human race at risk in to order to gratify her physical desires (the drugs).

 

MR seems to think if I watch some steamy scenes I will overlook T'Pols character deficiency and that's kind of an insult to me.

 

KM, you're very anti-religion so I know you know what a hypocrit is. I think T'Pol is a hyprocrit. And her preaching to Archer about stealing the warp coil while diverting repairs from the ship to open up the cargo bay (so she could access her drugs) is on par with lecturing someone about going to church then cheating your business partners during the week. If you think my opinion is bad you must not be reading other peoples posts.

 

If you want to criticize me for thinking people should be responsible for their actions go ahead.

 

I never liked T'Pol before (like many I don't like the ENT portrayal of Vulcans) but this is way beyond that - this now involves principles.

No offense TUH, but could you just get this made into a sticky and stick a link whenever you want to rant about T'Pol?

We get it. You don't like her. Fine. Let's move on.

P.S. I didn't like the video. I think the person who put it together did a great job with the technical side of it, but it was more than a little cheesy.

These people just need to get a life to be honest. If their own lives are so boring and unsatisfying that they have to whine and complain about others to feel better, that doesn't say a whole lot about their character.

Ent. has pretty good continuity as far as I can tell and the Klingon thing has never been satisfactorily explained in any series. Although some people look to that Tribble episode on DS9 as an explanation, there is nothing but an off-hand comment by Worf to lighten the moment. First Contact could be classified and the whole TCW thing might be classified at too high a level for the truth to get out about Klang.

If you want continuity issues, look at the website for the upcoming special guest in chat. I love TOS, but let's face it, it wasn't exactly hard science. They made it up as they went along. People just bash and bash and bash B & B and worship Roddenberry when in actual fact the great man himself wasn't above making very basic blunders, as shown on the site linked to above.

Because they're marketed to sell as many copies as possible and publishers have no concern for quality as long as it sells. It's the same reason music, TV, movies and culture in general are in decline. These media have become the Soma of the 21st century, keeping the masses either passively entertained or locked in their rooms in fear and happy with what they've got, but still wanting so much more.

Tour de France is sooooooooooooooooo boooooooooooring :S (no offence)

You should try watching it with some good friends, good food and good wine with the tour on in the background.

I think Armstrong will win as long as he doesn't have an accident or some other unforeseen problem.

It would completely undermine the work of the actors on the show now to bring in Shatner for a ratings grab. Let's face it, that's all it is (and I like "Ent"). It's worse than that, it's an insult to those currently working on the show. It doesn't even matter to me how they bring him in. The only thing I can see is through the TCW, and even then, do we really need to see a super-sized version of Captain Kirk?

I voted be bad. But if you do, be prepared to lose someone yet again when you revert to your usual, nice self and discover you aren't who your were pretending to be. By the way, that thing you posted about nice guys is true for some women/girls, but not all. I wouldn't bother being too nice at the beginning - it doesn't really make much difference as far as I can tell since most women will doubt your intentions if they have any sense (unless they're quite young and still naive).

Do whatever you want and stop worrying about what they want. Your "niceness" won't be appreciated until you really get to know one another. From what I've seen, some girls (I'm not saying all) who pick up on this early in a relationship will use it to manipulate you.

It may sound Machiavellian but how people perceive you is just as important as how you really are and you can never control that as it's affected by their own shortcomings and messed-up experiences.

LOL yeah cool pic i have seen it before,but you can knock him and he will still be the best footballer in the world IMO :(

Yeah, I'll admit he's a very creative player and can make a big difference in a game. He had a brutal time of it in Euro 2004, but my guess is he'll bounce back. It's hard not to take a pot shot at him when he comes up with excuses afterwards, but that seems to be the way things go with all players nowadays with all the criticism they have to put up with on a daily basis. Let's hope he's back on form for 2006.

Well, it's sport, but it's more humorous than athletic so I thought I'd put it here instead of the sports forum.

How Beckham made it 3 in a row...

Ho ho ho. Thanks.

Nemesis would've been good if it weren't for:

• The lame direction
  
• The script, which may have been better if it had involved more dialogue and explanation for the Rommulan's plan
  
• The weak acting by a group who seemed to be more in it for the payout this time
  
• The dependence on lighting (or lack thereof) and special effects instead of plot
  
• The pointless ending
  
• The money I had to spend and time wasted on it
  
• The ridiculous glasses they were wearing in the car (why the heck would they worry so much about their eyes and not wear helmets???)
  

Come to think of it, no, it couldn't have been a good movie. If it were, it wouldn't have been Nemesis, but a completely different movie.

Oh, yeah, all IMO.

Isn't making a movie about it kind of defeating the purpose? I mean its about the society going lazy and slowly stop reading books until it because culturally unacceptable and then finally illegal...

Very good point. And the producer/director/actors certainly embodied a spirit of laziness on the set.

Carpenter Street. I thought this one was interesting because it was where Archer's character began to cross a certain line and blur the difference between good and evil. He had to make threats and almost torture that guy to coerce him to help and I really thought he might hurt him. The earlier airlock scene in, hmm, I think it was Rajiin, just didn't feel altogether convincing. It was nice to see Trek exploring what happens when people need to decide between two bad options instead of the usual fairytale ending where they never have to face truly difficult moral choices. That's one of the things that always bothered me about TNG, that everyone was almost always so upstanding and almost never in conflict with or forced to challenge (at least not meaningfully) their beliefs. Ent has provided a few good examples of this kind of problem, including Cogenitor, Dear Doctor, Similitude. I'm sure there are others I can't remember.

I don't see it.  Not at all.  It's just a message board.  Then again, how connected you are here all depends on how good or bad your real life is and how connected you are to the people in it.  No message board will every compare to that and I think it's sad that people get so attached to something so trivial.

I think ARMS' original point was that a lot of members here have developed more connections then just the board, and that it has made him feel particularly close to that group.

 

He started with

Have you noticed how close everyone is on here? Thanks to the board, MSN, AIM, Yim, Yahoo etc we're closer than the Voyager crew.

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For me, I am astonished at my own level of particpation on this board.

 

The behavior consistent with my personality would be what people here call "lurking." I don't know what about this site drew me out of my cocoon and caused me to start having regular conversations with complete strangers!

 

I don't have the feeling of family, but then I do not have the connections many have. But I would miss not talking regularly with this extraordinarily diverse strongly opinionated group of Star Trek lovers. ( And, I have learned a lot from other peoples' comments, including the ones with which I disagree!)

Yes, but ARMS said "everyone" here, not a small group that he's connected to.

Anyway, if you're all feeling that close to each other, good. I'm happy for you. I just don't see how the (very) limited experience of exchanging posts/text messages/etc. can compare to real life experiences.

Some have noted that real life relationships can be nasty; well, so can online ones, but we tend to avoid them, and this is part of the artificial sense I get with any online conversation. You can walk away whenever things get difficult.

Also, the relationship I have with my family spans a few decades and that with my good friends a minimum of five years. While this site has been around for a couple of years, a lot of the current members have been here for a great deal less time. Although I don't give away a lot of personal information here, even if I did the people on this site would know extremely little about me since they haven't been through the same things with me as my friends and can't know how I've changed over time.

If you think the people here are family/friends, great - that's nice. They don't carry that status with me.

Oh, come on, RSV. :)  I'm much smarter than my board-grammar probably leads people to believe. I choose to type the way I talk -- like a country boy. :blink:

 

Kewl! lol

I also type the way I speak at times; however, board rules and common sense prevent me from utilising some of the more colourful language that I tend to use when talking with friends. :blink: That said, I remain loathe to employ words that are only in vogue for a few months simply to garner respect and gain membership into a clique in which I have little interest. Also, it's just fun reading the responses of some of the reactionary posters on this website who can't help but take offense at the least little thing.

It's a very good book and very easy to understand - you can read it in a few hours if you're motivated to.

The movie, however, is horrendous. The only good thing about it is that it generally sticks to the main plot of the book, but even for its time it looks quite bad and the acting is more than a tad wooden from what I recall. It's not a truly awful interpretation of the novel, but given the short amount of time required to read it, you're probably far better off going for the book. The movie also leaves out a couple of intriguing details like the dog and professor if I remember correctly. I wouldn't recommend watching this movie if you've already read the book because it's unlikely to add anything to your understanding and leave you wishing you could take those two hours back.

Thanks, Jeanway. Perhaps I should use that word sometimes.

 

I don't recommend it unless you're either still in high school or at an even lower level of education, which I don't think you are.

Absolutely, RSV . You're entitled to your opinion and I even agree to a small extent. However, I'll point out that offline friends don't always show their "true-selves" either. In fact, on a message board, there is an opportunity for a somewhat more honest relationship as it doesn't usually involve looks, etc, and it brings people with very similar interests together. I don't doubt for a second that many of the friendships on this board would be just as strong or stronger if a simple thing called geography didn't get in the way.

 

I may be getting off-topic :wub: . Please, continue.

Well said.