Jack_Bauer
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Extremely doubtful, I would say impossible.
Not only for the reasons mentioned by VBG, but also because the Nexus only appeared every 39.1 years. This pattern does not correspond to any year seen in Star Trek (2009): 2233, 2258, or 2387. The Nexus would have appeared in 2254, but that's as close as you get.
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I put TWOK at 2. After FC.
TWOK at 2 is just marginally ahead of Star Trek (2009) in my mind. Probably virtually interchangeable.
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But being a founding member of the Federation I dont think they would go into hiding. They are mentioned too many times through out TNG and DS9 for that. My question is why weren't they helping to defend the Alpha Quadrant and if they were how were they doing it?As members of Starfleet most likely. By the late 24th century, Federation members would not have individual militaries.
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That is very odd. It seems like it could potentially be in relation to the fact that on July 2nd, Kalemi and McNair were pulled over for DWI (well, she was). Seems like a bit of a stretch, though.
However, you may want to consider bringing that to the attention of the authorities (apparently, the police are not looking at any suspects).
I'm not sure how you would do so, though.
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I think it did happen. That's what I think made Data think would make the Borg Queen think he would give in.
Well, now that you mention that Data says that he hasn't used his skills for 8 years 7 months 16 days 4 minutes etc (I looked that up). And that is early 2373, so 8 years prior probably was 2364 ( 8 years prior to 2372) which is when the Naked Now takes place. So, based on that Data most likely had sex with Yar.
Data testified under oath in The Measure of a Man that he and Yar had been intimate so yes he and Tasha did have sex.
I still don't think the Borg Queen and Data could have sex because I don't think the Borg Queen's body was capable of it.
Yeah, that's a pretty good point. It did not appear as if the Borg Queen was "fully-equipped".
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Just wanted to take this opportunity to wish a Happy Canada Day to all my fellow Canadians here at StarTrekFans.net.
Hope it's a good one.
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Didn't watch it (didn't really appeal to me and I was more interested in the Jays' game and the NHL draft) but for those that are interested, it is now available on line: http://www.fox.com/fod/play.php?sh=virtuality
This looks like this will be it, however. Virtuality did very poorly in the ratings.
From TrekMovie:
There’s been talk, however muted, that if "Virtuality" did well enough in its two-hour movie event last night Fox may reconsider a series pickup. Well the numbers are in and you can pretty much squash that possibility. The two-hour movie flopped in the ratings, drawing a miniscule 1.80 million viewers and a 0.5/2 rating/share among adults 18-49 according to preliminary fast affiliate ratings. It finished second-to-last in its time slot and drew just a tenth of a point ahead of The CW’s A18-49 rating for its 8:00-10:00pm lineup (all repeats) and tied ABC’s "The Goode Family" as the lowest-rated original program in the demo last night. In fact, those numbers may be the lowest ever for a Fox program. For comparison purposes, NBC’s premiere of the U.K. import "Merlin" garnered more than 5 million viewers on a Saturday, no less (details in the chart below).Sorry to be the bearer of bad news.
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Wow, surprised I haven't posted in this thread to date.
To name a few:
Enterprise
Arrested Development
Futurama (coming back though)
Threshold
Pushing Daisies
Studio 60 on the Sunset Strip
I think there might be a few others I can't think of right now.
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Definitely getting the 6-inch Chekov and McCoy in Enterprise uniforms. I'll just need Uhura for the crew then.
I hope Pike comes with wave 2 in Canada. I don't why he wasn't released with wave 1 here. Especially with him being played by a Canadian actor.
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1. Star Trek: First Contact
2. Star Trek (2009)
3. Star Trek II The Wrath of Khan
4. Star Trek: Generations
5. Star Trek VI The Undiscovered Country
6. Star Trek IV The Voyage Home
7. Star Trek: Nemesis
8. Star Trek: Insurrection
9. Star Trek III The Search for Spock
10. Star Trek The Motion Picture
11. Star Trek V The Final Frontier
I'd consider what I rank as 2-3 and 5-6 interchangeable.
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The Memory Alpha page for the Kelvin crew is fairly lacking: USS Kelvin personnel.Well, not surprising, considering the ship is only seen for roughly 10 minutes.
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That's not a turret, that's a cannon (specifically a phase cannon). A turret is an enclosure that contains guns (or cannons) and in most cases their crews that man them. Not all turrets have to contain a turret crew, some turrets on WWII planes were small and were operated by a gunner inside the plane (I'm specifically thinking of the B-29).
What you're showing in the link above would be more akin to the cannons being brought out on a Galleon to prepare for battle.
I honestly can't think of any Federation ship that has turrets. DS9 had turrets but that's Cardassian in design. I could be mistaken or just forgetting a specific Federation ship that had turrets, but I can't think of any.
From the article:
The cannons of NX class starships were mounted on retractable turrets which extended from the ship's hull when deployed and rotated as they were being targeted.http://memory-alpha.org/en/wiki/Phase_cannon
And from wikipedia:
A gun turret is a device that protects the crew or mechanism of a projectile firing weapon and at the same time lets the weapon be aimed and fired in many directions.A turret is a rotating weapon platform.
Based on that, I do think both the phase cannons of Enterprise and the phaser turrets (they are referred to as such as a tie-in website, not exactly canon but I haven't seen a different name for them) of the Kelvin qualify as turrets. Even if they are unmanned (which in both cases, I believe they are), they are still capable of rotation, which seems to be the key determinate. This seems to be the way Starfleet went before the invention of the phaser array (or the phaser bank we see on later 23th century vessels, we never really get a fantastic look at them).
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There was definitely a turret, and that person definitely left the ship via the turret. He may have been in the cooridor and got sucked out through the turret.It looks to me that she's in a corridor and yes, she hits the turret outside the ship for sure. Was she "in" the turret though? I don't think she was but they used such fast cuts in that part of the movie and this recording isn't high quality to be able to tell but the turrets outside on the ship caught my attention the first time I saw them since we never see phaser turrets in any other incarnation of Federation design.
http://memory-alpha.org/en/wiki/File:Phase...ShockwaveII.jpg
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Star Trek The Motion Picture isn't really a bad movie, it has a decent story and excellent sci-fi themes. It's problem is that it is trying too hard to be this epic movie and in the process messes up its pacing. It's good but too long.
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No he can't. The technology of the day cannot defeat the Narada. The most advanced Federation starship (presumably) would have been taken out with two shots or thereabouts (took one, couldn't take another).I didn't say anything about defeating the Narada.
How else do you propose preventing the perceived changes in the timeline? Spock Prime couldn't go forward, because he would traveling to the future of this timeline, a future with no Vulcan and thus the events that led the Narada and Spock Prime to travel back would not occur. And if he goes backwards to create another timeline similar to the prime one, he would have to defeat the Narada. There's no way around that.
He's stuck in the alternate timeline. He cannot change that.
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The main part that I dislike and suggest is antithetical to the past 40+ years of Star Trek is the part where old Spock just sort of shrugs off the destruction of Vulcan as if it's no big deal... "cest la vie".The point where as a Federation ambassador he had a duty and responsibility to 'fix' things was at the end of the movie when he gets his future ship back and can then take action or at the very least TRY to fix things. You know... the "good of the many" and all that stuff? Having Spock just walk off into the sunset after such an event just isn't Star Trek.
Um, he didn't get the Jellyfish back. It crashed into the Narada and the red matter detonated. Actually, that right there is why he can't change anything even if he wanted to. The Narada was only defeated with red matter. Without that, every possible ship in the era that Spock currently finds himself in is vastly outmatched by the Narada. We don't know if he can create red matter with the current level of technology, but I'm willing to bet it would be difficult, even if it is possible. It could take a lot more time than Spock has.
I had forgotten that the ship was destroyed, but none the less he could still time travel with the technology of the day in order to get back and correct what the writers screwed up.
No he can't. The technology of the day cannot defeat the Narada. The most advanced Federation starship (presumably) would have been taken out with two shots or thereabouts (took one, couldn't take another).
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The main part that I dislike and suggest is antithetical to the past 40+ years of Star Trek is the part where old Spock just sort of shrugs off the destruction of Vulcan as if it's no big deal... "cest la vie".The point where as a Federation ambassador he had a duty and responsibility to 'fix' things was at the end of the movie when he gets his future ship back and can then take action or at the very least TRY to fix things. You know... the "good of the many" and all that stuff? Having Spock just walk off into the sunset after such an event just isn't Star Trek.
Um, he didn't get the Jellyfish back. It crashed into the Narada and the red matter detonated. Actually, that right there is why he can't change anything even if he wanted to. The Narada was only defeated with red matter. Without that, every possible ship in the era that Spock currently finds himself in is vastly outmatched by the Narada. We don't know if he can create red matter with the current level of technology, but I'm willing to bet it would be difficult, even if it is possible. It could take a lot more time than Spock has.
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VaBeachGuy caught this... in the above quoted material, before I could respond- regarding the written plot-- that was on my mind as well. Spock knows there's a federation outpost within walking distance but chooses instead to not attempt to warn Star Fleet or the fed. Instead, stands helpless watching his home world be sucked down the drain... which is also badly conceived 1st with the Moving Delta Vega and 2nd: The size of Vulcan to be seen so large in the Delta Vega sky-- suggests a very Near distance-- like Delta Vega is a Moon of Vulcan! Yet, doesn't get pulled into the black hole along with Vulcan.I really don't think he got much of an opportunity to warn Starfleet. The Narada beams him down to Delta Vega and then goes straight to Vulcan and begins its attack. In the movie it appears that Kirk encounters Spock prime only a relatively short distance from his landing site (I'm basing this on the fact that he wouldn't walk that far without starting his log entry), which means that Spock prime is still fourteen kilometers from the outpost. So even if he has been moving since he was beamed down, he is still a fair distance from the outpost. So, overall he probably did not have a lot of lead time to warn anyone of the threat of the Narada.
As for Delta Vega (Vulcan System)'s location, yes it definitely close to Vulcan, though not necessarily a moon. Perhaps, just a nearby planetoid. The reason it likely avoids being pulled into the black hole is that the black hole closes after consuming Vulcan. It would appear that Red Matter created singularities are different from those which occur naturally.
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For all we know he was probably on his way to see Scotty already when Kirk and the big, scary monster things caught his attention. The arrival of Kirk changed his methodology somewhat.Well that would seem to negate the notion that he's "staying out of way because he has no other option", wouldn't it?
Of course even if he is on his way to the outpost, he would have no idea that Scotty was there.
Exactly, even if he goes there, he has no way of knowing what he could do. He could go there, and meet Scotty and introduce transwarp beaming but he would have no where to go. He doesn't have a ship to beam to. He is trying to do something but doesn't know what he can do until he runs into Kirk in the cave. He is likely in the cave to take shelter from both the elements and the native lifeforms.
Also, if we assume that when Kirk was headed in the direction of the outpost when he was attacked and was then chased toward Spock Prime and away from the outpost, that means that the ledge he fell down is between Spock Prime and the outpost. He may not be able to climb that hill without assistance (which he later gets from Kirk). So even if he is trying to stop Nero, there is a lot in his way, as LVR said.
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Gene Roddenberry said it best though:What's been wrong with science fiction in television and in motion pictures for years is that whenever a monster was used, the tendency was to say 'Ah, Ha! Let's have a BIG one that comes out, attacks, and kills everyone.' Nobody ever asked 'why?' in any other story, if something attacks (a bear, a man or whatever), the author is expected to explain, 'here is why it is the way it is, here are the things that led it to do this, here is what it wants.'A classic example of doing this right was one of our most popular episodes, written by Gene Coon, entitled 'The Devil in the Dark'. The 'Horta' was an underground creature which attacked a group of miners. In the end they find out that it attacked because - surprise - it was a mother! It was protecting its eggs because the miners were destroying them in the belief that they were just strange-looking mineral formations.
With this understood, the Horta suddenly became understandable, too. It wasn't just a monster - it was SOMEONE. And the audience could put themselves in the place of the Horta ... identify ... feel! That's what drama is all about. And that's its importance, too ... if you can learn to feel for a Horta, you might also be learning to understand and feel for other humans of different colors, ways and beliefs.
He kind of goes off a little from the point of the monster to show how it can teach tolerance here in human society, but the point of the monster (I believe) is that he believed that the thing "wrong" with sci-fi was when they (the writers/directors/producers) just throw some giant monster out there because it's "sci-fi" and there "should be giant monsters trying to eat our heroes" when it has nothing to actually add to the telling of the story. Giant monsters trying to eat Cpt. Kirk just for the sake of giant monsters trying to eat Cpt. Kirk is, in my opinion just silly and something best left to "Lost in Space". I didn't even like it too much in The Phantom Menace, but Star Wars is more "Space Fantasy" and you expect that kind of thing in "space fantasy".
Star Trek is (or was till 2009) reality based science fiction. By reality based I mean that it's supposed to be reality, or what reality could be 250 to 300 years into the future. Whenever I watch the movie now, I fast forward past the giant "Kirk-eating monster". It was just silly, sort of like the giant rock creature in Galaxy Quest that tried to eat Tim Allen.
Yes, because giant carnivorous life-forms are such a stretch from reality. I mean, its not like this planet was once dominated by giant creatures. Some of which were carnivorous. Or as if there are no large carnivorous life-forms today.
And yes, the idea of a creature that appears monstrous but is actually understandable (like the Horta) is a great sci-fi concept, but the idea of a universe that is populated with only those types of creatures is not. It would be unrealistic to say there are no wild animals on any planet in the Star Trek universe. And as such, it is a good thing that they do exist and that some of them are dangerous (Mugatus, Ceti Eels, Hanonian land eels, sehlats, etc).
I would also like to point out that the two creatures in the movie are in fact, integral to the plot of the movie. If Kirk is not chased by them, he never meets Spock Prime (he is going away from him at the time) and he would not be able to prevent the destruction of Earth and stop Nero.
And while Star Trek is more reality-based than Star Wars or Lost in Space, it is not completely grounded in reality or real-world science.
Yeah, I had thought about the Spock thing. I chocked it up to the writers being knuckle heads and just deciding that it's "their way or no way" and they needed a "dumbed down, Starfleet regulation ignoring" Spock so that's what they wrote.Spock is doing all he can. At first, he's marooned. He has no way of stopping Nero. He is complying with the only part of Temporal Prime Directive that he can: he's staying out of way because he has no other option. When he has the opportunity to minimize the changes to this timeline, he does take the opportunity to do so (by sending Kirk back to the Enterprise).
So he made a rounding error. Big deal.Exactly. Spock is hardly infallible. He can make mistakes. He's also not as young as he once was. Of course, for all we know, this nova was highly unstable and as such, unpredictable.
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I was being facetious of course. I still don't accept the whole concept of needing to alter the timeline nor do I accept the need to abandon some of the fundamental concepts that have been part of Star Trek going back to the first season of TOS and following through all the way to Enterprise. That fundamental concept is that any alterations to the timeline must be corrected. Spock, as a Federation ambassador and former member of Starfleet had a sworn duty to correct the damage that was done.Throwing out those concepts sets this movie completely apart from all 5 live action series and all 10 Star Trek movies making this a "stand alone" movie and not really part of the Star Trek franchise. Now if, as I've read they intend on putting the timeline back to "normal" by the third movie then that would alter my impression.
Well, firstly, I disagree about the need to alter the timeline. I'm not going to go into why but I think what was done was done for the right reasons and in the right way.
Secondly, not all alterations to the timeline have been corrected. In fact, Starfleet officers have deliberately attempted to "damage" the timeline in some instances, often successfully. Kirk and crew remove two whales and Gillian Taylor from 1986. Admiral Janeway travels back and changes her history so that Voyager gets home 16 years earlier. Chakotay and Kim prevent Voyager from crashing onto a Class-L planet. Jake Sisko and the surviving members of the DS9 crew attempt to prevent Ben Sisko from being pulled into subspace. None of these are attempts to "repair" the timeline.
Of course, the notion that there is only one timeline that can be damaged and repaired is not necessarily correct. There are several Star Trek episodes which support the notion that there are in fact multiple possible timelines, most notably Mirror, Mirror (and all associated Mirror Universe episodes) and Parallels. The alien species of which Cosimo is a member as well as The Sphere Builders also have the ability to view multiple timelines. Therefore, the idea of only one timeline is inconsistent with what has been presented throughout Star Trek.
In fact, the example of time travel presented in Star Trek (2009) is not incompatible with how time travel has been presented in the rest of the franchise. Of course, there would have to be certain allowances made for it to work in some instances. Most notably, proximity of others to the object which causes one to travel through time (mostly back) causes them to experience the future of the alternate timeline created but not to change themselves. So, for instance, Kirk, Spock, Uhura, Scotty, and the two security guards are 'jumped' to the future of the alternate timeline created by McCoy saving Edith Keeler due to their proximity to the Guardian of Forever.
This is just me talking here. It may not necessarily be the case but the case can be made. I've read, on another board, there could in fact be two distinctly different forms of time travel: Branch (jumping between realities) and Trunk (traveling within one timeline). However, it is not always straight forward as to which has been experienced.
Overall, throughout the franchise, Star Trek has never had solid rules as to how time travel functions (various methods and various impacts). Therefore, one cannot single out Star Trek (2009) as being inconsistent.
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To me it just doesn't make any sense to destroy Vulcan and leave it that way under the guise that they needed to attract new viewers. I can just imagine the writers sitting around saying 'We need something BIG... I know!! Let's destroy Vulcan!!'Vulcan being destroyed isn't directly related to the attempt to attract new viewers. It was destroyed as a way to signify in a big way that this timeline is different from the prime Star Trek timeline, the establishment of which was designed to attract new viewers. So its more indirect.
What you described may have been how it was conceived but no one really knows for sure, aside from Orci and Kurtzman. I really don't think that destroying Vulcan was just something they threw in when they needed something big. That's the kind of thing that had to be there from very close to the beginning of the scripting process. It's central to the motivation of Nero.
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JB, not to be insubordinate, but I would think discussing Kes would be considered on topic for this thread... I mean, it's a pretty broad and vague subject matter. We're discussing which parts of Voyager we miss, a show which Kes was a part of.I'll concede that. I just don't want this thread to be all about Kes.
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Timeline Talk
in JJ Abrams Star Trek '09', Into Darkness, and Beyond Movies
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Well, the Mirror Universe is an alternate timeline in that it is an alternate series of events that continues even when there is no contact between the two. There is no evidence to suggest it isn't just another alternate quantum reality as shown in Parallels (well really, no strong evidence either way). However, it definitely seems to be one that is not particularly difficult to make contact with.
Many Star Trek episodes do suggest one mutable timeline, however there are others that do suggest multiple parallel timelines (Parallels, Non Sequitor, Azati Prime). Additionally, the form of time travel may not always be clear, especially due to the fact that forms of shielding do exist (The Guardian of Forever, temporal wakes, temporal shielding, etc).
That is presumably the case, but may not necessarily be so. I believe that was definitely the intention, though.
The case can be made that Nero and Spock Prime start in the prime timeline and jump into the past of a slightly alternate timeline. There is a precedent for this (The U.S.S. Defiant NCC-1764 moves from 2268 in one universe to 2154 in another). Plus there are no known incidents in the Star Trek universe for time travel caused by traveling into an artificially created black hole, so nothing is really contradicted. So, I suppose technically one could look at it is "not real", but no single quantum reality is less valid than any other. They all happen, they all count.